Georgia President: We'll Never Give Up Breakaway Provinces

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CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA | August 17, 2008 11:56 PM EST | AP

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An aid worker looks on as residents wait for humanitarian aid distributed from a bus in Gori, northwest of the Georgian capital Tbilisi, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008. Russian military authorities issued a flurry of conflicting reports Sunday about whether Russian troops had begun to pull out of South Ossetia, one of Georgia's two separatist provinces. (AP Photo/Darko Bandic)

GORI, Georgia — Russia's president promised to start withdrawing forces from positions in Georgia on Monday, but suggested they could stay in the breakaway region at the heart of the fighting that has reignited Cold War tensions.

Top American officials said Washington would rethink its relationship with Moscow after its military drive deep into its much smaller neighbor and called for a swift Russian withdrawal.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.

But neither Gates nor Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

Bolstered by Western support, Georgia's leader vowed never to abandon its claim to territory now firmly in the hands of Russia and its separatist allies, even though he has few means of asserting control. His pledge, echoed by Western insistence that Georgia must not be broken apart, portends further tension over separatist South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

In Gori, a strategic central city in the small former Soviet republic, there were signs of a looser Russian grip _ and scenes of desperation as Georgians crowded around aid vehicles and grasped for loaves of bread.

Georgia hit the Russia-backed separatist region of South Ossetia with a massive barrage on Aug. 7, and Russian troops rolled in, advancing far into the Caucasus Mountain nation and raising fears of a long-term occupation of a country at the center of a power struggle between a resurgent Russia and the West.

The troops would leave, a Russian lawmaker said, "sooner or later."

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"But how much time it will take, it depends, definitely, on how Georgians will continue to behave," said the lawmaker, Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of a Russian parliament foreign affairs committee.

Rice, who is flying to Europe on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia, said Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against its neighbor and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned Russia's president of "serious consequences" in Moscow's relations with the European Union if Russia does not comply with the cease-fire accord.

Later, Sarkozy said in an opinion article published on Le Figaro newspaper's Web site that if Russia did not "rapidly and totally" follow the pullout specified in the cease-fire, he would "have to call an extraordinary meeting of the Council of the European Union to decide what consequences to draw."

Medvedev had told Sarkozy that Russian troops would begin pulling back on Monday, headed toward South Ossetia. He stopped short of promising they would return to Russia.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

The EU-backed cease-fire agreement calls for Georgian and Russian troops to withdraw to the positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 7.

But Medvedev's silence on South Ossetia has fueled fears that Russia could annex the region, which _ like Abkhazia _ broke from Georgia government control in the 1990s and has declared independence. Getting Abkhazia alone would increase the length of Russia's Black Sea coast by more than 25 percent.

"Georgia will never give up a square kilometer of its territory," Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told a news conference alongside Germany's Angela Merkel, the latest Western leader to visit Tbilisi and offer support for the country he has led on a pro-Western path, seeking to shake off a history of domination by Moscow.

"I expect a very fast, very prompt withdrawal of Russian troops out of Georgia," Merkel said in a courtyard at Saakashvili's official residence. She reiterated a Western promise that Georgia will eventually join NATO, but said she could not say when that would happen.

As Merkel spoke, Russian tanks and troops continued to control a wide swath of Georgia, including the main highway running through the country, the strategic central city of Gori, the western city of Senaki and the Senaki air base.

On Sunday evening, Russian armored personnel carriers and tanks carrying military hardware traveled away from Senaki on a road that leads to Zugdidi, a city just outside Abkhazia _ possibly pulling out, though their destination was unclear.

In the western town of Zugdidi, residents took to the streets earlier Sunday to protest the Russian presence in Georgia. Demonstrators including politicians and Orthodox priests carried religious icons and sprinkled holy water as they marched, some holding red-and-white Georgian flags of pictures of Saakashvili.

"We are waiting for more support from other countries because this is not a war between Russian and Georgia, it's a war between civilization and barbarism," said Eldar Kbernadze, a member of Georgia's parliament who was among the protesters.

Saakashvili alleged that Russian forces, far from withdrawing, had moved closer to the capital Saturday and vowed to defend Tbilisi if necessary. He also accused Russia of ethnic cleansing and said Georgia would not accept the future presence of Russian peacekeepers.

A large banner hanging Sunday in front of the Parliament building in central Tbilisi read: "No war, Russia go home."

On the outskirts of the city, hundreds of Georgian refugees tended to children, tried to wash near open taps and sought shelter in tents Sunday in a makeshift refugee camp.

Georgia's government minister for refugees, Koba Subeliani, said there were 140,000 displaced people in Tbilisi and the surrounding area.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is considering sending over several high-ranking U.N. officials, including monitors and a top official with the U.N. refugee agency, according to a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

Elsewhere, the Russian checkpoint at the entrance to Gori was less fortified than in previous days. In the city, where buildings were blackened by fire from fighting or bombing, there was a light presence of Russian troops and a few tanks.

Marc Baldan, a surgeon from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which delivered some medicine and food in Gori, said the city's hospital was functioning and that drugs for heart disease, hypertension and diabetes, unavailable during the conflict, had been delivered.

"Each day looks better," he said. "But we still do not have the full picture."

But as clusters of people gathered by aid vehicles in hopes of getting loaves of bread, others had even deeper worries.

"I do not know where my children are and you can imagine how I feel about it," one Georgian woman named Manana, who did not give her last name for fear of reprisals, told an AP television crew in Gori.

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Associated Press writers David Nowak, Steve Gutterman and Jill Lawless in Moscow, and Michael Fischer and Matti Friedman in Tbilisi, Georgia, and Deb Riechmann in Crawford, Texas contributed to this report.

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- cackal I'm a Fan of cackal 2 fans permalink
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I think we need to re-evaluate our relations with both Georgia and Russia. Georgia invaded an South Ossetia in order to gain control of it. Maybe it was true that Russia was itching for a fight with the Georgians. The region is very complicated and to simplify it into Georgia: good, Russia: bad is not the way to solve the crisis. Solving the crisis is never the objective. Conflict is good - not for everyone but for corporate interests. Same as it ever was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/17/2008

I agree.

It seems like we are running around the world trying to solve everybodies problems and things here at home are getting worse for the average American.

This has got to stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 08/17/2008

If Kosovo has the right to be independent of Serbia in spite of the fact that it is within the historical boundaries of Serbia, the people of South Ossetia have the same right to be independent of Georgia.

President Woodrow Wilson's principle of the self-determination of people should be applied here. Let us have a United Nation's supervised plebicite in South Ossetia and Abkasia to let the people decide whether or not they want to be part of Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 579 fans permalink
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For the record, the people of South Ossetia have **ALREADY** voted for independence (a resounding 90% voted yes) from Georgia.

Evidently, in the eyes of the American government, the self-determination of people only applies to pro-US regions...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6140448.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 08/17/2008

a trip to saddleback is needed, pastor warren will give putin and saakashvili each one hour to explain why they believe their opponent is not leading a purpose driven life and why warren should not allow their opponent into heaven.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/17/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 658 fans permalink
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flagged as OFF-topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 08/17/2008

flagged as OFF-topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 08/17/2008
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Did you pay your utility bill and have your electricity turned back on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 08/17/2008

yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

The Serbs said the same thing about Kosovo.
Wish him better luck than the Serbs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/17/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

Why was Kosovo wrenched from Serbia, but the Basque country hasn't been wrenched from Spain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/17/2008
- Paralogos I'm a Fan of Paralogos 11 fans permalink

Because, unlike the Serbs, the Spanish never really tried "ethnic cleansing" in the Basque country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Because Spain belongs to NATO and the EU. They need Spain as a member, very strategic.
See, they only get upset when a non-member state does something they don't like.
But this non-member state has heavy-duty Nukes, is very,very Rich and doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks about them; they're gonna do what's in their best interest no matter what.
By the way, things have never been better economically in the Basque country than now, most Basques are opposed to breaking away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 08/17/2008

The Ossetians are a group of Iranians who were on the run during the Ottoman empire. They settled in northern Georgia. The land belongs to Georgia. The Ossetians are squatters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 08/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 579 fans permalink
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So, do England, France, Germany, Is_rael etc. belong to the city of Rome?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/17/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 325 fans permalink
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And we Americans of non-native derivation have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/17/2008

Have you wandered out of your room again? The UN started the trouble in Serbia with the Kosovo province..­... that wasn't enough....­.so they went to Georgia to start more trouble...­....this war is the outcome. why do you think that "stealing land" from a country is appropriate in the 21st century? Should the United Nations engage in making trouble? Wasn't it started with the intention of heading off trouble?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Mandy, it's uncanny, looking at some of your answers, you and I think alike.
You GO girl !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 08/17/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 658 fans permalink
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yes.and we should give them back.lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/17/2008

In the same sense that white people on the North American continent are squatters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 08/17/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

Why hasn't the world recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/17/2008

with that kind of thinking you will soon be giving most of America to the Mexicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 08/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 579 fans permalink
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So, do England, France, Germany, Israel etc. belong to the city of Rome?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/17/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 658 fans permalink
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ossetians are an iranian tribe 'indiginous' to the ossetian regions of georgia and russia.you are incorrect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 08/17/2008
- lyingtruth I'm a Fan of lyingtruth 16 fans permalink

Desperate for significance Condoleezza Rice continues in the position of the Cheney/Bush gofer; delivering impotent Whitehouse edicts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/17/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 658 fans permalink
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methinks mccain or his buddy scheuneman,gave georgia the 'green light',in the hopes that they could turn this into a 'winning' issue for the election ,here.i dont know about the rest of the country,but, i was waiting for it to start in iran.how clever of the mccain camp to use georgia,who most americans thought is only a state in the us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/17/2008

The Republican's October surprise came early. They need a military confrontation with somebody so that they can act tough and use that to win the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 08/17/2008
- Driver125 I'm a Fan of Driver125 5 fans permalink

"Georgian President Vows To Keep Breakaway Provinces"

Just as soon as he figures out a way to get them back that is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/17/2008
- Runruff I'm a Fan of Runruff 4 fans permalink
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This country is more like the Russia of the cold war era every day. While you were sleeping your government was not. The federal police state is devouring our citizens like a lion eating rabbits.

This same happened to me except there were 40 paramilitary with machine guns and they did find and take my medicine. They did come onto my property without a warrant though. You all need to know that the federal police state scoffs at the bill of rights and why shouldn't they? Who will stop them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyJecPhfzk&feature=PlayList&p=4B1A00A03EE8B545&index=21

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/17/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

Wonder what Condi's been whispering in his ear?

Whatever it is, he'd be smart to ignore it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/17/2008
- biwee I'm a Fan of biwee 13 fans permalink

WHY did Shrub send Rice to Georgia? The Georgians were much more in need of
flour and beans.....­.not rice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 08/17/2008
- Paralogos I'm a Fan of Paralogos 11 fans permalink

Hmm. Sarkozy's cease-fire is starting to sound a lot like a most of his domestic accomplishments in France - a dramatic announcement, adoring media coverage and then, well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/17/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 46 fans permalink
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And now we'll have more totally laughable Iranian type sanctions!

Russia may retaliate by introducing its own sanctions, no oil or gas for Europe!

Who's got who by the nuts now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 08/17/2008

Russia can retaliate against any western sanctions by simply cutting off the flow of oil from Russia for 6 months. $15 a gallon gasoline anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 08/17/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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If you lose a war that you started, then you are not allowed to make demands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/17/2008

Please tell that to the Arabs now known as palestinians!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 08/17/2008

...unless you're the Arabs called palestinians!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/17/2008
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China and Taiwan are going to watch closely to see what kind of example USA will set for Taiwan / China. In any event, South Ossetia voted to be independent and Georgia does not allow it to happen, took military action. Russia marches in.
Here is a good analysis, search: S.Ossetia, Georgia and Russia; Taiwan, China and USA at
http://www.chinationreport.com/#EditorsChoice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/17/2008
- Nobrun I'm a Fan of Nobrun 7 fans permalink

China does not need to watch examples set by the US. And I'm glad they know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/17/2008
- Tags I'm a Fan of Tags 13 fans permalink

It's a lot easier to park carriers around Taiwan than around Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/17/2008

The Chinese are biding their time. When they have grown so strong that the United States is not willing to risk going to war with them, China will take over Taiwan by force.

The Taiwanese would be smarter to negotiate rejoining China voluntarily now. At the present time they are in a position to negotiate a relationship with China similar to Hong Kong's, or even more autonomous. When they are taken over by force, they will have no negotiating power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 08/17/2008

I wonder how the good Georgian President plans on doing this without dragging the US into the situation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 08/17/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 44 fans permalink
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He can't, he's banking on the US getting involved. It's the October surprise come in August. It's the quid pro quo for all the lobbying cash McWarmongers received from Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/17/2008
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

You kidding?

This has Bush and Cheney written all over it.

I'm sure they encouraged this guy--they had special forces units training the Georgian troops just last month.

It's their very own Bay of Pigs fiasco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/17/2008
- Tags I'm a Fan of Tags 13 fans permalink

Bay of Pigs? Since 2001 it's been an ocean of pigs.

Not surprising, considering how much money Smithfield has given their campaigns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 08/17/2008
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