Georgia President: We'll Never Give Up Breakaway Provinces

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CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA | August 17, 2008 11:56 PM EST | AP

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An aid worker looks on as residents wait for humanitarian aid distributed from a bus in Gori, northwest of the Georgian capital Tbilisi, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008. Russian military authorities issued a flurry of conflicting reports Sunday about whether Russian troops had begun to pull out of South Ossetia, one of Georgia's two separatist provinces. (AP Photo/Darko Bandic)

GORI, Georgia — Russia's president promised to start withdrawing forces from positions in Georgia on Monday, but suggested they could stay in the breakaway region at the heart of the fighting that has reignited Cold War tensions.

Top American officials said Washington would rethink its relationship with Moscow after its military drive deep into its much smaller neighbor and called for a swift Russian withdrawal.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.

But neither Gates nor Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

Bolstered by Western support, Georgia's leader vowed never to abandon its claim to territory now firmly in the hands of Russia and its separatist allies, even though he has few means of asserting control. His pledge, echoed by Western insistence that Georgia must not be broken apart, portends further tension over separatist South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

In Gori, a strategic central city in the small former Soviet republic, there were signs of a looser Russian grip _ and scenes of desperation as Georgians crowded around aid vehicles and grasped for loaves of bread.

Georgia hit the Russia-backed separatist region of South Ossetia with a massive barrage on Aug. 7, and Russian troops rolled in, advancing far into the Caucasus Mountain nation and raising fears of a long-term occupation of a country at the center of a power struggle between a resurgent Russia and the West.

The troops would leave, a Russian lawmaker said, "sooner or later."

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"But how much time it will take, it depends, definitely, on how Georgians will continue to behave," said the lawmaker, Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of a Russian parliament foreign affairs committee.

Rice, who is flying to Europe on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia, said Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against its neighbor and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned Russia's president of "serious consequences" in Moscow's relations with the European Union if Russia does not comply with the cease-fire accord.

Later, Sarkozy said in an opinion article published on Le Figaro newspaper's Web site that if Russia did not "rapidly and totally" follow the pullout specified in the cease-fire, he would "have to call an extraordinary meeting of the Council of the European Union to decide what consequences to draw."

Medvedev had told Sarkozy that Russian troops would begin pulling back on Monday, headed toward South Ossetia. He stopped short of promising they would return to Russia.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

The EU-backed cease-fire agreement calls for Georgian and Russian troops to withdraw to the positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 7.

But Medvedev's silence on South Ossetia has fueled fears that Russia could annex the region, which _ like Abkhazia _ broke from Georgia government control in the 1990s and has declared independence. Getting Abkhazia alone would increase the length of Russia's Black Sea coast by more than 25 percent.

"Georgia will never give up a square kilometer of its territory," Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told a news conference alongside Germany's Angela Merkel, the latest Western leader to visit Tbilisi and offer support for the country he has led on a pro-Western path, seeking to shake off a history of domination by Moscow.

"I expect a very fast, very prompt withdrawal of Russian troops out of Georgia," Merkel said in a courtyard at Saakashvili's official residence. She reiterated a Western promise that Georgia will eventually join NATO, but said she could not say when that would happen.

As Merkel spoke, Russian tanks and troops continued to control a wide swath of Georgia, including the main highway running through the country, the strategic central city of Gori, the western city of Senaki and the Senaki air base.

On Sunday evening, Russian armored personnel carriers and tanks carrying military hardware traveled away from Senaki on a road that leads to Zugdidi, a city just outside Abkhazia _ possibly pulling out, though their destination was unclear.

In the western town of Zugdidi, residents took to the streets earlier Sunday to protest the Russian presence in Georgia. Demonstrators including politicians and Orthodox priests carried religious icons and sprinkled holy water as they marched, some holding red-and-white Georgian flags of pictures of Saakashvili.

"We are waiting for more support from other countries because this is not a war between Russian and Georgia, it's a war between civilization and barbarism," said Eldar Kbernadze, a member of Georgia's parliament who was among the protesters.

Saakashvili alleged that Russian forces, far from withdrawing, had moved closer to the capital Saturday and vowed to defend Tbilisi if necessary. He also accused Russia of ethnic cleansing and said Georgia would not accept the future presence of Russian peacekeepers.

A large banner hanging Sunday in front of the Parliament building in central Tbilisi read: "No war, Russia go home."

On the outskirts of the city, hundreds of Georgian refugees tended to children, tried to wash near open taps and sought shelter in tents Sunday in a makeshift refugee camp.

Georgia's government minister for refugees, Koba Subeliani, said there were 140,000 displaced people in Tbilisi and the surrounding area.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is considering sending over several high-ranking U.N. officials, including monitors and a top official with the U.N. refugee agency, according to a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

Elsewhere, the Russian checkpoint at the entrance to Gori was less fortified than in previous days. In the city, where buildings were blackened by fire from fighting or bombing, there was a light presence of Russian troops and a few tanks.

Marc Baldan, a surgeon from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which delivered some medicine and food in Gori, said the city's hospital was functioning and that drugs for heart disease, hypertension and diabetes, unavailable during the conflict, had been delivered.

"Each day looks better," he said. "But we still do not have the full picture."

But as clusters of people gathered by aid vehicles in hopes of getting loaves of bread, others had even deeper worries.

"I do not know where my children are and you can imagine how I feel about it," one Georgian woman named Manana, who did not give her last name for fear of reprisals, told an AP television crew in Gori.

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Associated Press writers David Nowak, Steve Gutterman and Jill Lawless in Moscow, and Michael Fischer and Matti Friedman in Tbilisi, Georgia, and Deb Riechmann in Crawford, Texas contributed to this report.

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I'm sorry but Georgia started this, with encouragement by Mc something's republican party, and the Russian's are calling out our bluff, 'Bushit has destroyed America's reputation and respect around the world thank goodness America is great and strong, but ASK yourself ONE simple important question has the World Become A Safer Place in the past 4- 8 years!

Thank god, we have celebrities that can communicate, restore and strengthen our relationships around the world and most importantly with our strongest allies to unite against hostile and dangerous countries/nations .

O' has been talking to our German friends and now they are getting involved. Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 08/17/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 82 fans permalink
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Chancellor Merkel and her Christian conservatives are right of center and support GW. Merkel will second whatever action Bush decides to take against Putin. She has already indicated such. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian's have been unhappy with their loss of prestige throughout the world and Putin plans to restore that influence. He's very popular, Russia is better off economically-thanks to oil prices-and he has a very large military that wants to regain lost prestige. He and the Russian's view any US interference in the affairs of former Soviet/Russian satellites as unacceptable. This situation will only be getting worse, since the US is now in a very weak position militarily. The recent missile deal with Poland will result in missiles being placed in Cuba again. Putin has said as much. Will Europe and NATO be willing to risk war, which could become a nuclear exchange, over Georgia? Russia has warned Poland that they are now a primary nuclear attack target because of the missile deal with the US. This situation can quickly get out of control, especially if cooler, more rational minds don't prevail. Do we really want to poke the Russian Bear in the eye with a sharp stick right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 08/17/2008

Bringing Georgia into NATO is an incredibly stupid idea. If Georgia had been a member of NATO at this time we could easily have been involved in a Cuban missle crisis type standoff with Russia.

The Russians rightly see the U.S. making former member of the Soviet Union part of NATO a provokative threat to their national security and will strenuously oppose this. We are only asking for an incredible amount of grief and crisis if we pursue this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/17/2008
- Agnim I'm a Fan of Agnim 6 fans permalink

You are spot on.

The real problem is: Why Americans continue to sleep through these repeated Bush blunders?

There was the lead up to 911.
There was the lead up to the UNPROVOKED Iraq McCaint-Bush war.
There is the wasting of the budget surplus and the tanking of the US economy.
There is the lead up to the Iran cold war.
There is the lead up to the Bush-Georgia-Russian war.

When will Americans wake up, before it is too late!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/17/2008
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I agree with you, but frankly we'd be at war with Russia right now if Georgia were part of NATO (officially at war, instead of this proxy war). Don't buy the soft-spin in the MSM and our supposed "leaders" about the obligations under NATO. An attack on one is an attack on the whole. It is a TREATY and as such we are bound to respond with force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 08/17/2008

Brave as the Georgian troops are against the Russians, this should be a walk in the park for Georgia.

Watch out, Mr. Putin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/17/2008

The "georgian" president needs to go away now. Time to stop playing international martyr for freedom and start acting rationally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/17/2008

Those who know the truth about this occurrence know that Georgia doesn't have clean hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 08/17/2008

In related news, Saakashvili promised to win the lottery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/17/2008
- meleon I'm a Fan of meleon 7 fans permalink
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Putin and his puppet have only just begun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/17/2008
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And Cheney's puppet(s)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/17/2008
- meleon I'm a Fan of meleon 7 fans permalink
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Ya know, I never made the correllation before. It does have an eery Cheney/Bush smell to it doesn't it. Putin and Cheney even share that head down, eyes up, mouth fixed in a perpetual crooked snear "yeah, that's right, I'm the boss."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 08/17/2008

God forbid that Putin and company start playing the same game that Bush and Cheney and their Neocon buddies have been playing for the last 8 years. The world can't take much more abuse like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 08/17/2008
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The price of oil has given Russia new found mojo,

another thing we can thank UU & Dark Durth for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/17/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 113 fans permalink
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There's a precedent here. Remember when Reagan/Republicans cut a deal for Iran keeping the hostages until after the "election"? Making Carter look ineffectual. Gosh, the hostages sure were released quickly after Reagan "took' office.

I think the same blueprint is being used here, what with Rove "vacationing" in the Crimea about 3 weeks ago and not being available to answer Congress' subpoena. Poor Saakashvili was double-crossed, I think. Somebody promised him they'd back him up if he went into Ossetia and Abkhazia and now, he looks like a flighty fool for taking on a great, big bear.

And McSame looks better as the "Warrior-in-Chief". What a dealy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/17/2008
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Hold on there Mr. President Mikhail Saakashvili you are sounding like General Michel Aoun in the late 80's when he challenged Syria and got himself an early exile to France for his troubles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/17/2008
- Guynemer I'm a Fan of Guynemer 6 fans permalink
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The precedent has been set to justify Russian intervention in the internal affairs of Georgia. That precedent was not the invasion of Iraq (backed by UN resolutions authorizing force), rather the Kosovo conflict which had no such legal justification. While supported by some Neoconservatives, our intervention in the Balkans was largely a Liberal war that was soundly criticized by most Conservatives and Libertarians of the time. Regardless of motives, the less-than-legal U.S. led NATO entrance into Kosovo has created the dilemna for the current Russian entrance into Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 08/17/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 15 fans permalink

Liberal? It was the Bush administration who were so quick and ready to recognize Kosovo. Feel free to complain to him if you're unhappy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/17/2008
- Guynemer I'm a Fan of Guynemer 6 fans permalink
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It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for some to revise history to suit their own needs. Obviously, you've not a clue. NATO intervention into the Balkans was led by the Clinton administration and supported by virtually every Liberal in the country. It was also condemned by most Conservatives and Libertarians - that, my simple-minded friend, is history. This is, of course, doesn't absolve Bush, a neoconservative, and his support. But, that fact hasn't the slightest impact on my contention. Kosovo was a Liberal war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 08/17/2008
- aristippe I'm a Fan of aristippe 13 fans permalink

Ridiculous. As if any nation looks to history for "moral" justification. Countries pursue their believed national interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 08/17/2008
- Guynemer I'm a Fan of Guynemer 6 fans permalink
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No, not ridiculous at all. At this phase when we are trying to rally support against Russian intervention we have no ""moral" justification" with which to do so. If we had not invaded the Balkans we would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/17/2008
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Pure revisionism. The schism that you see between lib v cons is in complete denial

of the globalists that have run both parties and most of Congress since the CIA and

the corporatist press ran Carter off and placed their puppet, Ronnie Raygun in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 08/17/2008
- Guynemer I'm a Fan of Guynemer 6 fans permalink
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You're funny :)


Some will say that because we cannot help people everywhere, we should help people nowhere. I believe that is wrong. We should work toward the day when there will be both the moral alertness and the political will on every continent to respond to human suffering. But this much is clear: In Europe today, we see the need to act. Thanks to NATO, we have the means to do it. Slobodan Milosevic is one person standing in the way. ~ Al Gore Apr 21, 1999

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/17/2008

The people of South Ossetia are not Georgians. They never chose to be part of Georgia. They have every bit as much right to be independent of Gerogia as Kosovo had to be independent of Serbia. You cannot have a democratic Georgia when part of the people are coerced to belong to it against their will. For us to pick a fight with Russia in support of an unjust cause is even more stupid than our unprovoked invasion of Iraq. Especially in light of the fact that Russia really does have weapons of mass destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/17/2008
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Tell that to India where Kashmir is predominately Muslim and want to be part of Pakistan. Life is so unfair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 08/17/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 15 fans permalink

Russia's incursion is not about South Ossetia; that was just a pretext of them invading Georgia proper. This is about Russia extending their power over the region, and surprise, the oil and other rich resources currently outside their control.

That goodness people who read the situation so literally like yourself is not in charge of our foreign policy. (Not that Bush has handled it any better, which is why we're in this mess in the first place.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 08/17/2008
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haaaa (clang or ding-dong) I hear the Iraq/Oil bell ringing. Like they say what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/17/2008
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And... We wouldn't even be talking about this if not for oil. Americans had better start worrying about America. Let Georgia worry about Georgia. It is none of our business and Russia's actions are no different than our actions in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/17/2008
- unscum I'm a Fan of unscum 9 fans permalink

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, somebody please hang this war criminal!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/17/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

Abkahzia doesn't want to be part of Georgia. South Osettia doesn't want to be part of Georgia. What 'right' does Georgia have to force them into a union???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 08/17/2008

You probably can whistle a mean Dixie as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 08/17/2008
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WHAT DO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE AREAS WANT? THERE HAS BEEN SOME MENTION OF THEM FAVORING RUSSIA OVER GEORGIA, THAT MAYBE THEY ARE ETHNIC RUSSIANS AND THEREFORE FEEL CLOSER TO RUSSIA. HAS ANYBODY ASKED THEM, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE?

SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER. IF THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, LET THEM. IF NOT, NOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 08/17/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 113 fans permalink
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Oh come on...that's "socialist thinking"! Remember when Rattner told Cheney that the American people want out of Iraq and he said......"SO?"
Nobody cares what WE want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 08/17/2008
- Tulu I'm a Fan of Tulu permalink

My thoughts are that suppose Texas succeeds from the USA. Few years later, the Spanish dominated part of Texas want to join Mexico. Does Texas any right saying,, ohh you cannot separate from Texas even though Texas itself separate from USA? Another point is why are still living a cold war mentality. China is going to be our major threat not Russia. Why are keep fooling ourselves

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 08/17/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

This happened in Virginia in the Civil War. When Vir. seceeded from the Union, West Virginia seceeded from Virginia. Jeff Davis sent R E Lee to force them back in. Didn't work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 08/17/2008
- SShaw490 I'm a Fan of SShaw490 38 fans permalink

We're all for self-determination, as long as all the selves determine that they like us best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 08/17/2008
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