No more hugs as Obama tears into McCain

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BETH FOUHY | August 17, 2008 11:54 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks with Anna Dimino left, and her sister Josephine Firicano both of Everett, Mass., during a stop at PJ and Company Restaurant Saloon in Reno, Nev., Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaster thanks to "John McCain's president, George W. Bush," and chided his Republican rival's campaign team for trying to make him look unpatriotic and weak.

At a town hall meeting with several hundred union members, Obama said he had had a great conversation with McCain at the forum at Saddleback Church sponsored by the popular evangelical pastor Rick Warren. The two candidates shook hands, briefly hugged and stood onstage with Warren, the first time they appeared together in public since the end of the primary season.

But Sunday, after praising the Arizona senator as a "genuine American patriot," the Democratic presidential hopeful got back to business _ methodically tearing into McCain's health care, tax and energy policies and criticizing his advisers.

"McCain says 'Here's my plan, I'm going to drill here, drill now which is something he only came up with two months ago when he started looking at polling," Obama said of McCain's energy policy.

The GOP hopeful has become a vocal proponent of offshore oil drilling as a way to ease U.S. dependence on foreign oil and has criticized Obama for failing to embrace it as a way to help bring down oil prices. Obama noted that McCain had long opposed lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling.

The Illinois senator also criticized McCain's advisers as "the same old folks that brought you George W. Bush. The same team." He noted many had been lobbyists in Washington before McCain asked them to sever all lobbying ties.

Obama added, "They say this other guy is unpatriotic, or this guy likes French people. That's what they said about Kerry," referring to the 2004 Democratic nominee who lost narrowly to Bush. "They try to make it out like Democrats aren't tough enough, aren't macho enough. It's the same strategy."

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers responded, "John McCain has never questioned Sen. Obama's patriotism, but he clearly does question Sen. Obama's experience and judgment, and they do have profound differences of opinion on the best way to reduce our dependence on Mideast oil, bring jobs back to America and keep our nation safe."

Earlier this summer, McCain handed day to day operation of his campaign to Steve Schmidt, a veteran GOP strategist who was a spokesman for Bush during the 2004 campaign. Most of his other top advisers are longtime loyalists who have worked for McCain for years.

Even so, Obama stepped to McCain's defense when a voter criticized his Vietnam era record. A Naval aviator, McCain spent 5- 1/2 years as a prisoner of war there after being shot down and badly wounded.

"Respectfully I'm going to disagree with you on McCain and his service," Obama said. "I think his service was honorable. He deserves respect."

RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaste...
RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaste...
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NO MORE HUGS?????? Say it isn't so BO!!!!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 08/18/2008

The problem with Obama's attacks is that they are too long winded.....

Barack, call McCain what he is. A liar. Say it over and over and over again. Have your surrogates use that word over and over. Use the word "lie" when describing his ridiculous "celebrity" ads. Call him a liar when he says "drill here drill now" will immediately lower gas prices. Call him a "liar" when he says he was in a cone of silence

Use the word "lie" when talking about McCain instead of pointing out the nuanced, complexities in McCains stances

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 08/18/2008
- Ourrias I'm a Fan of Ourrias 7 fans permalink
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Agreed 100%.

Obama had better learn pretty damned quick how to go for the jugular.

All this "nice guy" "shucks" and long-winded academic exposition is doing Obama and the Democrats absolutely no good.

Good God! It's Michael Dukakis and 1988 all over again.

OH, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 08/18/2008

HWJC - How would Jesus campaign?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 08/18/2008
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Screw hope. Obama needs to tear this old man up. It's time to get mad and take back our country dammit. This is ridiculous. If I hear what a "patriot" McCain is one more time I'm going to puke. A patriot is not a war monger. A patriot wouldn't have committed our troops, their families, and our economy to this ridiculous war which murdered Hundreds of Thousands of innocent human beings in Iraq. McCain = DISGUSTING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 08/18/2008
- cmp I'm a Fan of cmp 3 fans permalink

One of the best things Obama has said is " these guys take pride in their ignorance ". THAT was a good one. We need more. Much, much more. Do it now, Obama. NOW !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 08/18/2008
- cactusgal I'm a Fan of cactusgal 118 fans permalink

I'm a registered voter (no party preference) in AZ & a strong Obama supporter. I was polled last week by the PBS station in Phoenix regarding the presidential race. They called my cell phone number, which is something other polls haven't done a lot of, and many of the questions revolved around my religious affiliations, my racial heritage, and whether I thought the two campaigns were positive or negative. The results of the poll will be analyzed and presented on KAET TV tomorrow evening, and they might give some indication of how well Senator Obama is really faring in McCain's home state. One thing I can say without hesitation is that I've spent a lot of time in Phoenix and in northern AZ lately, and I've yet to see a McCain bumper sticker. From the looks of things here, Senator Obama seems to be running against Ron Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 08/18/2008

I hope Obama goes after him every day, he just has to, if he does not ripe Mcbush a new one, we will have another 4 years of the crap we have been dealing with for 8. John Kerry did not hit back hard enough, or fast enough, Obama needs to be the one doing the hitting, put mcsame on the defence, if he fails to point out every day that a vote for Mcsame is a vote for his evil twin Bush, it will be over before he knows it. Obama can win, but if he is serious about being the next president he has to completly eviscerate Mcsame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 08/18/2008

McCain has never questioned Obama's patriotism? Really? So I guess that saying that Obama would rather lose a war than an election was McCain's way of asking for baking tips, because it sure sounded like questioning his patriotism to me! (Or, as Keith Olbermann pointed out, pretty damn close to accusing him of sedition!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 08/18/2008

It's about time the Democrats become tough. Remember in the last campaign (Kerry vs. Bush) - the Republicans put Kerry on the defensive regarding his military career. Bush and Cheney both evaded Viet Nam -- Bush with national guard and Cheney with his major in divinity studies. Bush and Cheney should have been doing the explaining...

Baby boomer viewpoints: http://www.Vaboomer.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/18/2008

The National guard is part of the military last time I checked, and last time I checked they have up to 15% more people today Iraq. Pastoral studies, including other deferments were many of the deferments, includes consciousness objector and student supported by the democrat president and congress. Last time I checked Obama was not in the military. Kerry and Gore had excellent service. Bill Clinton was on a student deferment. McCain was a prisoner of war in most of Congress including Kerry have called him a war hero. Go ahead act tough, it will look like my 8 year daughter trying to throw me hard balls. It will not look good....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 08/18/2008
- PennLawyer I'm a Fan of PennLawyer 23 fans permalink

For your poor daughter's sake, I point out to you that comparing this poster or anyone
to your 8 year old daughter "trying to throw hard balls" is sexist and demeans your daughter. You could have simply said, "an eight year old", but instead you had to indicate someone was a girlyman, cause in your macho culture/mind, being a girl is de facto defective. How do you think she'd feel if she heard you say something like that. Really, it's so offensive to use a comparison to your own child to insult someone.

And for your information, W's "national guard" duty was confined to what was referred to as the Texas Champagne unit, for the sons of the wealthy and well-connected, which is how W was jumped ahead of hundreds of other young Texans desperately trying to avoid Vietnam. Furthermore, while some of W's military records have been "disappeared", there have been some published on various websites, including those showing where he checked a box indicating he would not accept overseas duty, i.e, Vietnam. Further, when he was due for a pre-flight physical which would have checked for drugs, he simply didn't show up and left the Guard several months early. For less powerfully connected soldiers, this would have been termed AWOL and at best he would have received a dishonorable discharge, if not imprisonment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 08/18/2008
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If you were born in '48 (I was born in '51), you are old enough to remember that National Guard and Reserve service in the 60's and 70's is nothing like today's service at all. In the days of the draft, if was a convenient way for those with the appropriate pull to avoid active duty and stay out of war zones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 08/18/2008
- yhgtup I'm a Fan of yhgtup 12 fans permalink

Why does Barack have to compliment McCain all the time? He did the same with Hillary. McCain doesn't compliment Barack, & neither did Hillary. Barack compliments McCain more than McCain's campaign staff does. Stop with the niceities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 08/18/2008
- ngannon I'm a Fan of ngannon 9 fans permalink

Right- McCain has proven time and time again that he has no sense of what the word honor means let alone posses any.
I am also tired of all of the war hero stuff. This was 40 years ago.He was in Nam for a couple of hours- crashed his(5th) plane, saved by a Vietnamese and spent the next five years as a POW. True- I would not volunteer for that but people that I did know who went to Nam were not photographed in hospital conducting interviews and smoking cigarettes. I would not even say this because any time spent as a pow must be horrible no matter what the circumstances but MCain shamelessly uses the episode to elevate himself - while he votes against veterans benefits. Shameless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 08/18/2008
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GGGRRRRR!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/18/2008

I have one message to get to Senator O - stop saying what an honorable man John McLiar is!!!!!
He is not an honorable man. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 08/18/2008

That's right. Bill Clinton is honorable and John Edwards is honorable, but John McCain isn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 08/18/2008
- editorjuno I'm a Fan of editorjuno 30 fans permalink
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Going by the way he treated his first wife and their young family, you're actually right -- for all their confessed moral failings, neither Clinton nor Edwards abandoned their families for a younger/richer woman like McCain did! If McCain can continue to squeeze every possible drop out of his POW experience for political gain, then his heartless philandering -- at the expense of the bedridden and crippled woman he'd promised to love, honor, and cherish -- ought to be fair game too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 08/18/2008

Neither Bill Clinton nor Edwards divorsed a disabled & disfigured wife after & while commiting adultry with a beauty queen. McCain's facts do not match the records either. Also they never helped plan this God awful Iraqi war or worked to keep it going while voting to cut benefits for veterans, including veterans who will yet be injured in this Bush/McCain war. That is what amounts to whether a person is HONORORABLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/18/2008
- krocklin I'm a Fan of krocklin 30 fans permalink

Absolutely. McCain is not an honorable man. Obama is going to lose if he compliments his opponent when opponent doesn't deserve it while McCain takes the low road against him.
McCain is a lame prevaricating candidate that needs to be exposed, not complimented.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/18/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Does anyone remember Shakespeare's " I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him"?

We now know it as reverse psychology.

Damning with faint praise - keeps people talking and refuting the good guy maverick thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 08/18/2008
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It is interesting that one of the largest applause lines during Senator Obama's time at Saddlebrook came with Reverend Warren's call for increased civility in the campaign. Such civility has certainly been lacking in our politics and that lack is increasingly painful to many in the electorate. Given the 'infanticide' attacks coming from 527s and the other crap in circulation against Obama, this can really be a wedge issue -- taking the high road and confronting smears is important not just to win votes but to improve the political dialog in this country.
I have little problem with calling McCain's service honorable and holding him to his pledges to wage a civil campaign. We have little to gain as a campaign and much to lose as a country if we continue to practice the politics of personal destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 08/18/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 66 fans permalink
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Getting nasty is the standard operating procedure of Repigs since Nixon. Why do you think they keep doing it? Because Democrats are too refined to call them out on it. It would be "rude" to call them liars.

They are liars. You can't have it both ways. Either you call them what they are (lying incompetents, arrogant psychopaths, greedy plutocrats) or you let their lies pass. If their lies are not challenged, they win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 08/18/2008

I have a theory regarding those women that supposedly supported Hillary Clinton but will not support Obama. These women are never Democrats, rather, they are Republican women who share gender with Hillary and wanted to see a woman elected, Or, they wanted Hillary to be the Democratic party nominee so that the other party will defeat her in the national election.

But if these women are for real, they ought to look again at McCain's reponse during Saturday's interveiw where he vehemently opposed a woman right to choose, sounded belicose to other nations that do not agree with him, and the list goes on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 08/18/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Right to choose?

Republican women don't need it.

They can just BUY it.

Of the 20,000 people in the church on Sat night, care to guess how many have had an a b o r t i o n?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 08/18/2008
- bodhibabe I'm a Fan of bodhibabe 158 fans permalink

ok... I'll bite... How many? LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 08/18/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 270 fans permalink

Playtime's over. Time to start dissecting Johnny... and the so-called 'press' ain't gonna do it.

Next time he blathers, "...if I have to follow him to the gates of Hell, I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that and I know how to do that. I will get that done," Obama should get in his face and demand to know when he learned "how to do that", when he last actually "DID that" -- and why he's been keeping his technique a closely-guarded secret... y'know, since he's constantly bleating, "I will always, always, always put my country first."

Some disassembly required

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 08/18/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

Mc lame probably has difficulty remembering to put his briefs on before his pants.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/18/2008

Now THIS creates a funny visual. LOL....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 08/18/2008

What is Obama doing praising the enemy who called him a sissy? Let the atacks flow. I want Obama to become tough. Thats the way to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 08/18/2008
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Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 08/18/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

Nothing to be proud of in that....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 08/18/2008
- Horus I'm a Fan of Horus 20 fans permalink
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yeah but more like a slave than a soldier...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 08/18/2008

I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN'S VOTING RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO VETERANS AND WOMEN AND FAMILIES AND CHILDREN!!!!! GET TOUGH WHY DON'T YOU!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/18/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

your shift key is still stuck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 08/18/2008
- captnEarl I'm a Fan of captnEarl 6 fans permalink

THIS REALLY BOTHERS YOU DON'T IT?? HA HA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 08/18/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

the posting is a good one...one that I agree with. Obama is NOT going to win if he keeps his little cute views going. it is time to WIPE OUT the damn rethugs....

Give evil and inch and it will take a MILE. The last 8 years have devestated the USA mindsets. You have no more spunk, balls, pizzazz or ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 08/18/2008
- nmjangirl I'm a Fan of nmjangirl 2 fans permalink

It's not the shift key, it's the caps lock key Duh!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 08/18/2008

Okay, sorry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 08/18/2008
- 3dtrix I'm a Fan of 3dtrix 190 fans permalink

Your ideology is still stuck - in the 19th century. And how are things in Potterville?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/21/2008

Yeah I agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 08/18/2008
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