No more hugs as Obama tears into McCain

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BETH FOUHY | August 17, 2008 11:54 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks with Anna Dimino left, and her sister Josephine Firicano both of Everett, Mass., during a stop at PJ and Company Restaurant Saloon in Reno, Nev., Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaster thanks to "John McCain's president, George W. Bush," and chided his Republican rival's campaign team for trying to make him look unpatriotic and weak.

At a town hall meeting with several hundred union members, Obama said he had had a great conversation with McCain at the forum at Saddleback Church sponsored by the popular evangelical pastor Rick Warren. The two candidates shook hands, briefly hugged and stood onstage with Warren, the first time they appeared together in public since the end of the primary season.

But Sunday, after praising the Arizona senator as a "genuine American patriot," the Democratic presidential hopeful got back to business _ methodically tearing into McCain's health care, tax and energy policies and criticizing his advisers.

"McCain says 'Here's my plan, I'm going to drill here, drill now which is something he only came up with two months ago when he started looking at polling," Obama said of McCain's energy policy.

The GOP hopeful has become a vocal proponent of offshore oil drilling as a way to ease U.S. dependence on foreign oil and has criticized Obama for failing to embrace it as a way to help bring down oil prices. Obama noted that McCain had long opposed lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling.

The Illinois senator also criticized McCain's advisers as "the same old folks that brought you George W. Bush. The same team." He noted many had been lobbyists in Washington before McCain asked them to sever all lobbying ties.

Obama added, "They say this other guy is unpatriotic, or this guy likes French people. That's what they said about Kerry," referring to the 2004 Democratic nominee who lost narrowly to Bush. "They try to make it out like Democrats aren't tough enough, aren't macho enough. It's the same strategy."

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers responded, "John McCain has never questioned Sen. Obama's patriotism, but he clearly does question Sen. Obama's experience and judgment, and they do have profound differences of opinion on the best way to reduce our dependence on Mideast oil, bring jobs back to America and keep our nation safe."

Earlier this summer, McCain handed day to day operation of his campaign to Steve Schmidt, a veteran GOP strategist who was a spokesman for Bush during the 2004 campaign. Most of his other top advisers are longtime loyalists who have worked for McCain for years.

Even so, Obama stepped to McCain's defense when a voter criticized his Vietnam era record. A Naval aviator, McCain spent 5- 1/2 years as a prisoner of war there after being shot down and badly wounded.

"Respectfully I'm going to disagree with you on McCain and his service," Obama said. "I think his service was honorable. He deserves respect."

RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaste...
RENO, Nev. — So much for hugging in church. A day after Barack Obama and John McCain exchanged an embrace during a faith forum at a California megachurch, Obama called the U.S. economy a disaste...
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- phreso I'm a Fan of phreso 3 fans permalink

Lol, he got his tepeprompter back, now he can speak without stutttering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Yep, Mac is such a tool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 08/18/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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The dullest blade in the drawer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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I'm not surprised that those on the right mistake thoughtfulness for stuttering.

They're not familiar with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 08/18/2008
- Crog63 I'm a Fan of Crog63 5 fans permalink

The only thing the right understands is oohrah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 08/18/2008

Um ugh um, good, um um ugh umm, point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 08/18/2008

Would you stop with that. Everyone knows that McCain is the one who uses the teleprompter. Don't you watch the new?. It was McCain with the "green screen" and teleprompter. It was all over the news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 08/18/2008
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So can McCain stop cribbing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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Poor student. Failed at chosen profession.

Haven't we been there, done that?

How'd it work out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/18/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I think its Brilliant what Obama is doing here he is reminding America of what happened with Kerry how the thugs ran the same kind of tired argument and instead we got Bush. The lesson to be learned here remember your mistake and DONT REPEAT IT!!

This country will NOT recover from 4 years of John McCain the damage that it took Bush 8 years to do John McCain will do it 4 its no wonder he wont run again or he is floating the idea of being a one term President even he knows that after 4 years of his nightmare the American people would truly be BRAIN DEAD to give him another 4

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Barack installs T. Boone Pickens in a Cabinet-level Energy Czar-type post. What do you think of this?
We really need to kick the oil habit even as gas sinks to 'cozy' post Katrina levels and OPEC promises lower prices through '09.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/18/2008
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How many people think that Obama would need to cheat for a forum held at Bishop Jakes church?

It's pretty pathetic that The Maverick had to cheat in order to connect with the Republican base.

Why does being in church make The Maverick so uncomfortable?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/18/2008
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It wasn't a test. Mac wasn't even in the building. When he entered the building before his appearance he was put in an isolated room. Because Rev. Warren stated he was in an isolation booth the whole time (which wasn't true because he wasn't even in the building) doesn't null and void the forum. Barry still sucked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 08/18/2008
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I wasn't in the building either and I heard the questions posed to Obama.

Why did the good reverend say that McCain was in cone of silence when he wasn't?

Why lie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/18/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

OK. He was stuck in traffic.

Why volunteer the whole nonsense about the isolation room? Why'd McCain pretend he was IN the isolation room?

It's a private joke between McCain and the pastor? Obama and the audience are not in on it?

McCain and the pastor volunteered this whole fairy tale. No one asked them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 08/18/2008
- BEHM777 I'm a Fan of BEHM777 13 fans permalink
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You are a true tool.

I hope you enjoy that vacation to Czechoslovakia, via the Iraq/Pakistan border.

BEHusseinM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Garlic and Holy Water.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 08/18/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

maybe "the mav" thought he would be stuck by lightening?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I don't know if he cheated exactly...­..... he just gave his usual pandering answers...­... boring really....­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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The Maverick is uncomfortable being with humans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 08/18/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Frankly, I agree with mc's REAL opinion of evilangelists as 'agents of intolerance'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 08/18/2008

ARRIANNAHU­FFING.. YOU ARE OUR HERO......­.......WE DEMAND THE TRUTH. WHERE WAS MCSAME?... WHY LED US BELIEVE THAT MCSAME WAS IN ISOLATION WHEN HE WAS'NT?.
WHY IS CNN AND FAUX NEWS COVERING UP FOR MCSAME? WHY IN THE 20TH CENTURY THESE FORM OF JOURNALISM IS ALLOWED? WHY ARE WE BEING LED TO BELIEVE THAT MCSAME IS BETTER AND MORE EXPERIENCED THAN OBAMA WHEN IT IS SO CLEAR THAT MCSAME IS ABOVE AVERAGE ON INTELLIGENT LEVEL. WHY ?WHY? wHY? THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR FUTURE, SO WE DEMAND THE TRUE REFLECTION OF CAMPAINING. NOT COVER UPS AND LIES..... THIS IS THE SAME TACTICS THAT WAS USED ON US BEFORE THE INVASION OF IRAQ... INNOCENT MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN HAVE DIED NEEDLESSLY­... wHY IS THE MEDIA SELLING US MCSAME WHEN THEY KNOW HE IS AS DANGEROUS, MENTALLY AND WILL DEFINATELY SEND US TO MORE WARS. WHY???????­??????????­??????????­??????????­?????. WHO IS PAYING THE MEDIA TO DO THIS TO US. HAVEN''T WE SUFFERED ENOUGH????­??????????­??.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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If anyone can read this, please translate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/18/2008
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After flailing about with a rubber mallet, rose actually hits the nail on the head with the very same question i have been asking myself :

"Why is the media selling us mcsame when they know he is dangerous mentally and will definitely send us to more wars?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 08/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I think it says... "I have had to much coffee!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 08/18/2008
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Translated: I like you Arianna Huffington. You talk about how the media is misleading us about Mccain. Mccain's POW experience is often distorted to favor him, and although he lacks experience, the media covers him as the more tested leader. That isn't true! That's not good journalism! Mccain is scary and will send us to more wars. No more pain! No Mccain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/18/2008
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Easy there Rosie! Have a cuppa before you pop a vessel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 08/18/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

The left speaks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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The right has their needle stuck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Bit early to be freaking out don't you think.....­......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/18/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 240 fans permalink
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Imagine how it will be by dinner time...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/18/2008
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Its why Mother Nature invented Weed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 08/18/2008
- BEHM777 I'm a Fan of BEHM777 13 fans permalink
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I'll translate, as a Public Service.

Rose London said:

"Ms. Huffington, you are our hero. We demand the truth. Where was McSame? Why lead us to believe that McSame was in isolation when he wasn't? Why is CNN and Faux News covering up for McSame? Why in the 21st Century is this form of journalism allowed? Why are we being led to believe that McSame is better and more experienced than Obama when is it so clear that McSame doesn't have an above average intelligence level? Why? Why? Why? This is not good for our future, so we demand the true reflection of the campaign, not cover ups and lies. These are the same tactics that were used on us before the invasion of Iraq. Innocent military men and women have died needlessly. Why is the media selling us McSame when they know he is dangerous mentally and will definitely send us into more wars? Why? Who is paying the media to do this to us? Haven't we suffered enough?"

Apparently, the MSM doesn't think we have dear Rose. Have a great day.

BEHusseinM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

How does Obama/Biden sit with you good folks here? He's the Senator from my neighboring state. I personally think he suits Barack's vision. I was pro-Hillary up until 2 months ago or so.
McCain seems so gruffly affable but reminds me of the fella whose slice nearly removed the top 1/3 of my skull and then follows me around for 18 holes making multiple variations of the same apology/excuse. Oh well. Barack 'n Roll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 08/18/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Biden (D-Foot in Mouth) would be a great choice. He's already plagiarized half of McCain best lines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

There ya go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 08/18/2008
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Which in turn were plagiarized from russian literature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Mac has no best lines, he's just parroting GB and what does that tell you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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McClone's "best line"...

I’m confident we’re on the right course.” - McC [ABC News, “This Week,” 3/07/04]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I would be happy enough with Biden.... I am not sure I know enough about him as of yet.... but what I do know I can not ever recall thinking the man is daft......­. I have friends who think Richardson would be a good pick as well......­. I guess we will be finding out soon anyway, so we just have to wait and see.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Yeah, Richardson's cool too, but I hear snide remarks surrounding the 'figure' which he cuts. Maybe working out with Mike Huckabee, keep the tan and the goatee. If not, he'd look splendid wielding a trident or pitchfork.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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I like Richardson too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 08/18/2008
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I think Biden would be an excellent choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 08/18/2008
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Biden would be great. Personally, I was thinking of Clark as VP, but maybe that won't happen. Whatever it is, Obama will make a good choice. He's our leader, and I trust him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 08/18/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

He’s already been complementary to 0bamma:

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 08/18/2008
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The only way I'll respect John McCains's service to his country is when the Republican party show respect to John Kerry's service to his country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 08/18/2008
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Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/18/2008
- GabrielXL I'm a Fan of GabrielXL 16 fans permalink
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I personally am getting tired of reading about and seeing Obama pussyfooting around with the McCain camp. Look, I can understand taking the ethical high ground and I can appreciate the fact that almost anything Obama does will be scrutinized exponentially, but there has to come a time when the kid's gloves come off. Responding in defense of something you know is wrong is almost synonymous with lying about said "facts". It would have been better to just say that people have differing views of McCain's record in Vietnam and that there are those who would disagree with the person's assessment. At this point, it's not much of a secret to anyone that McCain's war record is "dubious" justification for calling him a war hero, so why pretend that it's more than it is?

If you're going to rattle a saber in someones face, you better damn well be ready to use it as well. All this hard, but fair business is fine when the playing field is level, but John McCain has done nothing to justify the "consideration" Obama is giving him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/18/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

You Americans are crazy...tw­o poor candidates­...one an experienced community activist, the other an elderly out-of-touch senator. Out of 300 million is there no one else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 08/18/2008
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Well, we had D.ennis K.ucinich.­.. but he see's flying saucers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 08/18/2008
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So did the Reagans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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Too bad you guys have nothing but make believe.

Or is it a comprehension issue?

He said UFO, not "flying saucer".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/18/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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That is just what this country needs 'organization for activism', we've been floundering around in the dark for far too long. Our candidate is brilliant, young, and virile.
So, mind your own country's business. The american progressives will take it from here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 08/18/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

virile?

Is this an anti-Hill endorsement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/18/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 240 fans permalink
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And where do you come from? I hope it isn't Holland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/18/2008
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The basement of the Weekly Standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/18/2008
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Isn't that the country which showcases na k ed women brandishing w h i p s in store shop windows? How provincial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/18/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

The 12,000 calorie-man. Mike Phelps. When the seas rise he'll handily equip us to swim our way to higher ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Hehehe.... he is already busy being Neptune...­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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You are giving us furriners a bad image.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/18/2008

There is a mainstream in American politics and Barack Obama is on the far left shore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 08/18/2008
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Here, take yourcracker, and fly back to the villageidiot. Good birdie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/18/2008

Don't feed the troll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/18/2008

These debates are going to kill Obama. After one he has to have a "comeback".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 118 fans permalink
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Right. Being a lousy debater is what gets you president of the Harvard Law Review.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 08/18/2008
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doh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 08/18/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

0bamma added, "They say this other guy is unpatriotic, or this guy likes French people. That's what they said about Kerrry," referring to the 2004 Democratic nominee who lost narrowly to Busch. "They try to make it out like Democrats aren't tough enough, aren't macho enough. It's the same strategy."

Sounds like 0bamma has figured out the Republican strategy.

Problem is, it worked last time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 08/18/2008
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"Problem is, it worked last time."

Problem is, they won't have bin Laden's help this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 08/18/2008
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We hope---I'm sure they still hang out together alot to talk shop

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/18/2008

The good news is it's not going to work this time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/18/2008
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Someone on Kos was kind enough to show Sen. McCain answering questions before they were asked. How fascinating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n83M-jgOaJQ

How dumb do you have to be to prepare for questions at your own pep rally?

What a dummy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 08/18/2008
- BarackMan I'm a Fan of BarackMan 7 fans permalink
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Very disappointed in Rick.....e­xpected much more from him. McCain is total slimeballishness.

Obama/Biden '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/18/2008
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“I do think that progress is being made in a lot of Iraq. Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course. If I thought we weren’t making progress, I’d be despondent­.” - McC [The Hill, 12/8/05]

I guess McClone based his judgement on his vast military experience. But yet for some reason, after all of this "progress" we needed a surge.

McClone = wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 08/18/2008
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