US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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Anthony St. John

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 08/23/2008
- DCinFrance I'm a Fan of DCinFrance 32 fans permalink
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And what is this about again? Oil. Throw in natural gas. We have been propping up yet another regime for the sake of siphoning off oil and gas while running it though a pipeline behind the back of the Russians. We've armed and trained them. Tried to back that up with NATO membership--thank God the Euros knew better. And it's the Russians that invaded? Read Buchannon's column on the subject--don't agree with him, like, ever, but this time he's dead nuts on. No, John, we are not all Georgians now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/19/2008

anybody notice that Condi is dressed like a Russian sailor w/ the blue-n-white striped outfit?

http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/3027-799072.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/19/2008
- thirteen13 I'm a Fan of thirteen13 3 fans permalink

From Putin to the Bush regime; make my day, try to do something, time is on my side.

From Putin to the Euro's, it will be a long cold winter without Russian oil and natural gas.

From Putin to the USA populace; the Republicans have enabled Russia, your invasion of Iraq has set the mark. Payback is a bitch, get over it.

Remember the Cuban missle crises? Well Cuba is still there, waiting for the Russians to return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/19/2008

Now that the military phase of this conflict is nearing its end, it'll be interesting to see what impact this war will have elsewhere. Steve Levine has an interesting take on how the war in Georgia could affect the power balance in Russia. Levine knows the subject well: he covered previous wars in Abkhazia, Southern Ossetia, Nagorkno-Karabakh, Chechnya, Tajikistan, as well as the Soviet-Afghan war: http://oilandglory.com/2008/08/dimas-moment.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 08/19/2008

Paul Craig Roberts (and Pravda) on Georgia v Russia.

http://counterpunch.org/roberts08132008.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/19/2008
- Pat15 I'm a Fan of Pat15 4 fans permalink

i agree with you meatball...Yes Bush looked into Putin eyes & saw his soul & concluded he is a fine man ..Georgia made the mistake to attack the South Ossetia & drive the Russians out .. Well only an idiot of a President would do that with Bear sitting on the other side ..All solutions can be obtained thru the use of force ..Now Georgia is paying the price & its people are suffering ...
Well Bush did his part ... He protested and sent many warnings to Russians to get out & then he gave some more warnings ...He dispatched his top-notch Secretary Condi to Georgia & in short order got all the paper work done . Signed & sealed .. She also gave some more warnings to Russians ...
I imagine Russians probably are scared now with all these warnings from Mr. Decider & Condi (a russian expert) they probably are trembling and dont know what to do...so they are taking their time to digest all these warnings and come up with a solution ..
Cluless citizens will always elect Incompetent Leaders ..Amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 08/19/2008

Wow!

I convinced myself that people of your ilk were not actually "Communists", just misguided "Socialists" that wanted good things for the world.

Was I wrong! It is amazining how you people support Russia's attempt to be a Communist Superpower again! Putin is not a nice guy people! Even if our President made the mistake of believing him and looking into his soul. (You would think that you people would hate Putin because of that).

Nope, you look past Bush's approval! Even a good President can make a character mistake. You are silent about this.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/19/2008
- thirteen13 I'm a Fan of thirteen13 3 fans permalink

George Bush and Condi Rice are not nice people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 08/19/2008
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This is about power not BS democracy! Democracy in the 21st century is simply a facade for us little people, here in the US and there in Russia or anywhere for that matter. The oligarchs around the world, just as before WWI and WWII, are pushing to control oil resources and regions of economical control. That simple. Communism, capitalism all is BS. Control my friend Control is the key of all issues here. In this one, Bush lost the hand even though he won Iraq.

Bush is not worried, he is the new CEO of Iraq Oil Co. thanks to us the American army and tax payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 08/19/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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Time to see the world as it actually is.

Russia's commitment to "communism" dissolved into pure nationalistic ambition and power, certainly beginning with Brezhnev. Putin is a product of this system.

Likewise with our committment to "freedom" and "democracy."

Bush pushes his "freedom" propaganda as an excuse for unwarranted interventions -- but in actuality yearns for and has started implementing the kind of control exercised by the Russian and Chinese government. That's what's behind the domestic spying and the never-ending evasions of constitutional rule of law and assertions of unlimited executive prerogative. Check out the Patriot Act, Pilgrim.

Bush and the Russian and Chinese leadership can look each other deeply in the eyes and see the same ambition for undemocratic control. The only disputes among us are territorial and economic. If the US falls into the same pattern completely, we three nations will have adopted in practice if not in name --- national socialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 08/19/2008
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Hmmm. How to punish Russia? Hard one.

Send Putin a "Vote McCain" coffee mug made of clay, Polonium 210, and lead paint? And sign it, "From China With Love", of course.

Something charitable might be more appropriate, like a Rove Inspired spin-off of "sneaky basta**".

Georgia and the U.S. are not innocent bystanders, BTW. I worked with Georgia's Mikheil Saakashvili and his staff in the early part of the decade when Michael was the Justice Minister. He's very smart, but he hates Russians and is not above starting trouble if he thinks the U.S. and / or Europe will cover his a**.

I personally believe Saakashvili has been provoking Putin for quite some time. And his recent intervention in S. Ossetia provided Putin with a reasonable excuse to "teach" Saakashvili a lesson. Unfortunately, the Georgian people are the ones who suffered for Mikheil's arrogance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 08/19/2008

I am just amazed at the number of folks here who see all world events through the lens of a political campaign.

Where was Lieberman and Graham this weekend?

Where was Biden this weekend?

Has either campaign sent a fact finding mission to Moscow?

'Nuff said.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/18/2008
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Put some red dye in the ocean so that the people of the world cannot see all of the "red herrings" the US is planting in the press.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/18/2008

"At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor."

Man, when is the media going to stop spewing this nonsense?

THE GEORGIANS ATTACKED FIRST. They sent in a bunch of missiles and slaughtered over 2000 South Osserians. The Russians responded and killed fewer than 100 Georgians....yet they're the bad guys?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 08/18/2008
- randyjet I'm a Fan of randyjet 25 fans permalink

It is outrageous that McCain's chief advisor has a multimillion dollar interest in supporting the Georgian government. Just whose interest is McCain serving? We are NOT all Georgians by the way, unless you think that attacking your neighbor in a surprise attack is the way to act. When you start a war as Georgia did, you do NOT get to say how it will end unless you win. Just ask Mexico, and Japan and Germany.
Think we should hand back the land the US won and paid for in the Mexican American War when Mexico attacked a US force in Brownsville? How is that any different from Russia? Think the US just should have blown up the Japanese Navy after Pearl Harbor and then called it quits? Let's get REAL folks. Georgia started a war it couldn't win and expects the US and NATO to pull its chestnuts ouf of the fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 08/18/2008

We could make them watch reruns of Fox's Anna Nicole coverage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 08/18/2008
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