US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 72 fans permalink

"Punish the Russians"? Unless Condi's strategy is to make them laugh so hard they burst a blood vessel, there isn't much wiggle room there. Of course unless they scramble the B52s, they're just following Barack Obama's proposed foreign policy of actually talking to other countries in times of crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/18/2008

I'm pretty sure the Russian punishment is having to watch Condi on TV all the time talking about their country.

I know seeing her and W. on screen make me never want to get involved in the world political game again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 08/18/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 21 fans permalink

Taking a politically shrewd shark like Putin and asking him to watch Condi mouth empty threats might be construed as mental torture. Or maybe Putin will get together with some of his buddies in the Kremlin and watch Condi rant and rave while they have drinks and laugh their heads off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- Americano I'm a Fan of Americano 3 fans permalink
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Okay, no more "Russian Vodka!" Now " Freedom Vodka" to go with the stale "Freedom Fries!" We must inflect pain I tell you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 08/18/2008
- thirteen13 I'm a Fan of thirteen13 3 fans permalink

What to do with all that Russian oil, natural gas and dollars. The Russians are holding the winning hand here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 08/19/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 293 fans permalink

Never mind, that it's the USA that should be punished, in particular McCain and his foreign advise, lobbyist to Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 08/18/2008

I wonder if Putin is aware of the phrase, "Empty barrels make the most noise"

Unless the Cheney administration (no typo) pulls a Dr. Strangelove, surely Putin knows that everything that comes out of the Decider-in-Chief's redneck mouth is just.....quack, quack, quack (feel free to use your own interpreation of the word "quack")

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/18/2008
- Deparis I'm a Fan of Deparis 25 fans permalink

What were Dubya and Condi doing in Crawford in Laura's absence? Just asking folks, just asking! Oh, I get it, they were consulting on Russia. Yeah right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 08/18/2008

Whatever they're doing it involves Alcohol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 08/18/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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Jeez! Putin must be up all night laughing his head off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 08/18/2008
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The US can just stop buying their vodka. I'm sure they will be crying uncle in a week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 08/18/2008

"The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia."

Didnt the White House also struggle to decide how to punish "whoever is responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA agent"
... The WH decided to pardon Libby and ignore the other three involved... would be the most appropriate punishment.

Maybe the WH will decide to sit Pooty and Medevedevdeved in time outs.... a minute per year of age is prolly what they'll settle on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 08/18/2008
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH19Ag04.html

As much as I dislike Spengler at Asia Times, this is a good article.
"Think of it this way: Russia is playing chess, while the Americans are playing Monopoly. What Americans understand by "war games" is exactly what occurs on the board of the Parker Brothers' pastime. The board game Monopoly is won by placing as many hotels as possible on squares of the playing board. Substitute military bases, and you have the sum of American strategic thinking. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 08/18/2008

Our government officials and the pundits astound me with the things they're saying about this. Punish Russia? WE CAN'T DO SH*T! They have the ultimate trump card - energy. They can just turn off their gas pipelines to Europe and shut most of the continent down.

Yet the pundits say that McCain's "tough talk" makes him a winner on this issue when his bluster is pure stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 08/18/2008
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 133 fans permalink

The consequence of Bush's cowboy "diplomacy" and McCain's bellicose posturing is that they make themselves and our nation look like a bunch of what my male colleagues would call "dangle d*cks." How this could redound to McCain's benefit among the portion of the population that admires such conduct is beyond me. Moreover, the suggestion that McCain is emulating Teddy Roosevelt of "speak softly but carry a big stick" fame is utter nonsense, since what Bush/McCain are doing is screaming loudly but carrying a wisp of straw. This is where Bush's disastrous policies have led us. God only knows where 4 more years of such stupidity will take us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 08/18/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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McCain's "tough talk" was paid for by Georgia to the tune of 800K dollars. Cain's lobbyists won this round.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 08/18/2008

Lets NOT use their oil,natural gas......and VODKA!! HA! HA! OR...their caviar!! That'll get those Ruskies!! Gotta go...a Russian Bear is under my bed!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 08/18/2008
- Razz I'm a Fan of Razz 2 fans permalink

Goooooddddd Luck!
Why should the Russians flinch an inch just because all of a sudden Bush feels righteous about Georgia. Bush lost all his credibility when he decided to invade Iraq just because he wanted to rob the American public and give it to his rich oil criminal buddies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 08/18/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

How about struggling to penalize our government for it's many gross misdeads ?.. invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, among others.

The reason they're "struggling" is they realize (as certainly the Russians do) the hypocrisy and emptiness of the gestures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 08/18/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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If I were Medvedev, I'd tell NATO; "When the Georgian people stand up, we'll stand down"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 08/18/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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If we would once again regulate the Commodities and Futures Trading Markets and end the criminal insider trading and market manipulation that is the root cause for the meteoric rise in the price of Oil and Gas this would deny Russia of a windfall of many billions which has enriched and emboldened them allowing and facilitating the expansionist policies so many are now complaining about in such a vitriolic fashion...!

This would cut the price of Oil per barrel and Gas by 30-50%...thus also serving the American people imagine that serving the average American and do so far more than drilling here drilling now..yada yada...

It is ironic that John McCain has been the most Vitriolic on this issue yet it is his close associate and only recent former chief economic adviser Phil Gramm who has done more to enrich and empower Russia and it's ability to expand and increase it's Military due to Gramm slipping through the Enron Loophole allowing these Enron Alumni to wage economic war upon America's economy and enriching The Russians and many others our government considers our enemy..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

It's a global market these days. Fath chance of the Commodities and Futures Trading Markets doing much. Don't think China is interested in denying Russia money for oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 08/18/2008
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