US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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maybe Rice can do a road version of King Lear for the NATO members.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/18/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Beep=Beep-Beep

New Bogeyman Alert!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 08/18/2008
- Janus I'm a Fan of Janus 22 fans permalink

Russia won't get away with it , so saith Condi on behalf of our Italian Style Corporate Plutocracy

Maybe Russia will discover and adopt how de facto President Cheney and his puppet de jure President Bush "got away with" illegitimately invading Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 08/18/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Ya see, by killin' Iraqis, we're makin' Iraq free! Heh-heh-heh....Free like, like the U.S. working-class...Heh-heh-heh. Now watch this drive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/18/2008

Not bad, not bad...but I really like Jon Stewart's impersonation of the Decider
Glad to see you also saw Fahrenheit 911

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 08/18/2008
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

If I were Russia I would upgrade Syria's military. That way the Israelis will think twice about attacking Lebanon with a disproportionate amount of force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

And they need to get right in there and support Iraq too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 08/18/2008
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Dub and Condi have five more months to mess things up further

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 08/18/2008
- jdenham I'm a Fan of jdenham 7 fans permalink

Rice and Bush are making empty threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 08/18/2008
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Hmm What was our penalty for invading Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/18/2008
- Razz I'm a Fan of Razz 2 fans permalink

We didn’t invade Iraq. We were invited by the Iraqi people to liberate them.
Or was it because God spoke to Bush and said to him that we should go free the people of Mesopotamia?

Huuummm I am confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Our penalty for invading Iraq is 4000+ dead soldiers, thousands of soldiers that are disabled for life and receiving no goverment support, a trillion dollar budget deficit, a weakened dollar and economy, and an inability to evaluate our country's problems in a realistic manner. All in all, our penalty is a bleak future for the next 5-10 years, no matter who is president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 08/18/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 97 fans permalink
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the very fact that US intelligence knows details about Russian troop movements only shows how complicit they were in Georgia's initial attack on peacekeeping troops...

Bush Co = death and destruction for innocent people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/18/2008
- OkieMon I'm a Fan of OkieMon 34 fans permalink

bush/rice/chaney being responsible for 150 dollar oil have given the oil-rich russians all the money in the world to rebuild their empire....and there is absolutely nothing the bushites can do about it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 08/18/2008
- OkieMon I'm a Fan of OkieMon 34 fans permalink

this is like hitler complaining about the allies invading normandy....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/18/2008
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No doubt Okie, ridiculous !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/18/2008
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Russia has all the cards. They can squeeze Europe's energy supply, and the Europeans can do -- what? Drill offshore? And will the mighty French armed forces be unleashed?

The Russians can veto the next round of Iranian sanctions, and the resulting spike in oil prices will pour money into their treasury. And we will do --- what? Surge into Iran?

Next, maybe, an advanced missile defense system for Iran. Maybe advanced interceptors for Syria. Anti-ship missiles for both nations? The Russians have so many options, while we've boxed ourselves neatly into a no-win choice between impotent screeching and WW III.

We're speaking loudly and carrying a twig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 08/18/2008

"We're speaking loudly and carrying a twig."

The irony of this is that McCain claims to be a Teddy Roosevelt type Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

A twig, looks way to small to be a twig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 08/18/2008

what exactly is the cia for? they have missed the fall of the wall ,vietnam and now this conflict .why do we subsidize an ineffective program...could they all be republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

The CIA is designed to fabricate written documentaion to support the whims of the Bush administration. Remember Daddy Bush was once their leader so there is some loyalty there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 08/18/2008
- rbspickles I'm a Fan of rbspickles 9 fans permalink

I do believe that the death grip the the neocons, zionistas and the nwo had on the politcal power is FINALLY being loosened! That's exactly why we need Obama for prez! Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Don't count on it. They will do whatever they need to do in order to retain their power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 08/18/2008

why are republicans so freakin stupid? rice needs to keep her mouth shut and perhaps go shopping or just go away .what an embarrassment. americans need to stop calling ourselves a superpower, were not .our country is nothing more than a third world country with nukes,kind of like pakistan. all thanks to the gop neocons who have destroyed our military and stolen our treasury, but i guess they support our troops. go russia and iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 08/18/2008

As with so many posts at HuffPo, yours makes me wonder which side you are really on ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 08/18/2008
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We are on the side of Truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/18/2008
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Why don't we just impose trade sanctions? Let's not buy any of their oil or gas. And let's definitely not borrow any more money from them or sell them any thing until they learn they are to do as we say, not as we do. Yeah, that'll show them.

Also keep in mind that in history, smarter men than Bush and company have escalated smaller events into at least one World War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 08/18/2008
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That will show them alright. Remove that supply and the price of gas goes up and the same people demanding that we send in the troops, oh wait sorry, we're fresh out of those at this time, will be screaming when the price of gas shoots back up again. But McPsychologocalSolutions will just drill, drill, drill, and the price will fall ...in ten years or so, but they will feel better.

Sigh...sometimes I think we have all been pushed down the hole with A lice and the White Rabbit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

The only way that we could go to war would be to bring back the draft, raise taxes, and initiate gas rationing. Think that's what Dubya has in mind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/18/2008
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Speaking of the US, allies and the 21st. Century the day may be nigh for the proclamation of a "change for the times' is pronounced along the following;-

Whereas the times they are changing and a new world order is dawning the USA has determined that in the interest of mankind the following nations, states, countries, WILL NOT BECOME a part of NATO;- RUSSIA, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, IRAN, SYRIA, LEBANON, CUBA, VENEZUELA, MOST ALL OF AFRICA, SWITZERLAND, PAKISTAN, TURKEY, AND ANY ALL OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE DEEMED UNWILLING TO ALLOW "DEFENSIVE MISSILE SITES AND/OR DO NOT ACT NICE WITH ISRAEL OR GEORGIA".

The above dicta will become effective on any day deemed appropriate and necessary as determined by NATO HEADQUARTERS in Brussels, Germany and will take precedence over any objections made by anyone antwhere.

So there !.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 08/18/2008
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Brussels is in Belgium.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 08/18/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Forget it, he's rolling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 08/18/2008
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