US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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Georgia is the agressor, the TV is lying and people are falling for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 08/18/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 101 fans permalink
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marley: "you cant fool all the people all the time"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 08/18/2008

exactly. john mclaughlin and pat buchanan are the only two pundits/ msm'ers/ blowhards/ insert your favorite epithet for the fourth estate here who have said that. georgia rolled tanks into ossetia hoping we'd all be suitably distracted by the olympics. this one is NOT russia's fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 08/18/2008
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Thanks for saving me the post....it is pathetic how the causes for the conflict went so unreported. However, the MSM still gets wood when W and Condi talk tough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 08/18/2008
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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Go ahead penalize Russia and let us see the consequences. Can Russia retaliate? O yes, just stop the flow of oil and gas and Europe would freeze. Please, Putin is not that stupid. He knew he had all the cards on the table and Bush and Condi were just bluffing. Putin won and the US and Georgia lost in this gamble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/18/2008
- Bugweed I'm a Fan of Bugweed 14 fans permalink

Rice is just another example of the fact that you can go to the best schools, get fancy certifications that say you are very skilled and smart and still be as dumb as a rock. I'm sure that Stanford is ready to shower her, post Bush debacle, with full tenure and a nice comfy department chair. Maybe she could teach a course entitled "Ignorance can be Fixed, but STUPID is Forever". George could do guest lectures on licking the boot of your financial masters.

Russia will pay? With what, their American Excess Card?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

I think that she had tenure when she left so it would be difficult for Stanford to cut her loose. Her nice comfy department chair will probably be financed by some neo-con or someone like Pickens. Actually, when she left Stanford, she was no longer teaching so maybe students will be spared her lectures when she returns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/18/2008

Quote Condi Rice:

"Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions"

These people must be from a different planet. They really have convinced themselves that their rules apply to noone else. This world is doomed. It cannot survive under the strains of such rank hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 08/18/2008
- RnR I'm a Fan of RnR 30 fans permalink

Am I the only totally cynical person in the world who thinks it's mighty convenient that Georgia started this crap now, with what looks like a probable Obama presidency in the wings with Bryzynski (Russia hater) in the background? They're all in bed together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 08/18/2008
- RFBorjal I'm a Fan of RFBorjal 5 fans permalink

Under Bush, the US has become a paper tiger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/18/2008

If America wanted to resolve this whole crisis we would actually need a leader who understands the concept of diplomacy and people managment. Some with actual leadership skills

As the current president lacks these fundamental skills that is so essential in this new world order, I suggest that until November, Bush just continues to be the lame duck president he is and stays out of the world business. He's done enough damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 08/18/2008
- jackie4444 I'm a Fan of jackie4444 7 fans permalink

What staggering hypocrisy for Rice, Bush or the other perverted circus clowns in this
faux 'government' to OPEN THEIR MOUTHS. Russia can't be 'allowed' to 'get by' with 'invading a neighbor'. Never mind its the US-puppeteered NEIGHBOR who started the conflict by "launching a massive barrage' against another province to 'get control' . And do we think this was Georgia's idea? That it suddenly got the idea to try to wrest control of a 'separatist province' and just assumed the rest of the world would be in favor of it, hm? Decided it could easily take on the Bear with its slingshot and nothing more?

The US sets up the Bear with its latest exercise of 'tinkering' in other governments. But the Bear reacts more strongly than anticipated - none of this ' complaint through diplomatic channels' stuff for the Bear - just sends in the tanks. The puppet panics and screeches 'whoa, this wasn't supposed to happen, why doesn't "the West" intervene?!".

Now why would Georgia expect the entire "West" to rise up in its defense, hm? Its not like 'the West' raises a finger to stop assaultive behavior, uneven levels of mutual aggression or even outright genocide where we have no particular interest. So how would Georgia be so special, hm? Go ahead and try to grab control of this province, Georgia - we promise we'll be right behind you.

King was right - 50 years ago now - the US is the greatest purveyor of violence in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 08/18/2008
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Just one correction to your otherwise fine post. Before the escalation of the conflict, Russia had gone to the UN seeking a end of hostilities between the Georgian government and the separatist provinces. It was blocked by the US and its sidekick, the UK, very much in the same way as they did with the resolution calling for a ceasefire in Lebanon in 2006. Then Russia rolled in the tanks and they all cry foul.

It looks as if Putin is the only one who has attended Geopolitics 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/18/2008

How dare Russia invade another nation - that is not what we do!
LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 08/18/2008
- PaleMail I'm a Fan of PaleMail 13 fans permalink

Robert Gates has obviously replaced dingbat Cheney and Mushroom Cloud Rice in matters of international strategy (Frat Boy was never in the game).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 08/18/2008

You stay out there and think about what you did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 08/18/2008
- grf67 I'm a Fan of grf67 40 fans permalink

The current US administration and its neocons are yesterday's news. Rich, Bush,
Cheney et al have been so wrong and ineffective that no one cares what they think or say.
They should find a way to go quietly into the night before they are charged with war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 AM on 08/18/2008
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So I guess Russia is superpower once again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 08/18/2008
- vietveter I'm a Fan of vietveter 23 fans permalink

Anyone that ever thought otherwise was

drinking too much Koolaid

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 08/18/2008
- PaleMail I'm a Fan of PaleMail 13 fans permalink

With their nuclear arsenal, Russia never stopped being a superpower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 08/18/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

and Russia is scared. What are we going to do? Send in troops we don't have. What a joke.
As Putin said, we have to clean up our own door step first. And forget McCain, who said, that
in the 21st century no one should attack another country. It was not the last century McCain
that you voted to attack Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 08/18/2008

If they make Russia pay a price the Bush administration can forget getting any cooperation from Russia in keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And the Russians can break any sanctions against Iran by shipping them the goods the West is sanctioning.

And, of course, Russia can retaliate by cutting back on the flow of oil from Russia, even stopping it for a period of time.

The reality is that Russia is in the catbird seat. The Bushies may fume and theaten, but there is noting they can really do. If they make nice with Russia maybe they can get the Russians to withdraw from the main part of Georgia, not including Ossetia and Abkhasia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 08/18/2008

So when Russia responds to an unprovoked attack it's a "disproportionate assault".

When WE attack a country that has never, not once ever, done anything bad to us, it's called "shock and awe", and is perfectly acceptable. Got it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 08/18/2008
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