US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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Hmmm... "disproportionate force".

Wasn't I s r a e l s 's k i l l i n g of 1,000 L e b a n e s e, because of the kidnapping of 2 soldiers, praised by the Bush administration?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 08/18/2008
- Roci I'm a Fan of Roci 3 fans permalink

Don't make me laugh any harder than Putin laughs. There is not much America can do, and The Russians know this, having figured out all this long before they acted. You see, the problem here continues to be that Americans believe that the Russians are stupid, or that they are all smashed on Vodka or something. Both perceptions are so wrong. What we have here in reality is America paying a price for their poor judgment of Putin's Russia.

Roci

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 08/18/2008

For a number of years after the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia was very weak and had to put up with whathever the U.S. wanted. Now the increase in the price of petroleum has restored the Russian economy to health and Russia is again a major world power in a position to challenge the United States. And Russia really does have weapons of mass destruction.

The Bushies are experiencing a rude shock about the new reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 08/18/2008
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"Disproportionate force"?

How about L e b a n o n in 2006?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 08/18/2008
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Best article I've read on what's really going on in the Caucases:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/13/russia.georgia

"It can be dangerous to be an enemy of the United States, but to be a friend is fatal"
-henry Kissinger

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 08/18/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Condi Rice is billed as a Russia '"expert", yet once again she appears to have been asleep on her watch, ignoring signs of growing Russian irritation and Georgian intent to provoke, emboldened by links to U.S. Republicans including Bush and McCain. And now it has all boiled over, and the U.S. has little leverage to influence the outcome.

When the history of the Bush administration is written, in addtion to the competence of Bush himself, and his bizarre misjudgements of character, the staggering incompetence of Condi Rice, as national Security Advisor and Secretary of State in a time of great challenge, will surely be a headline.

heck of a job, Condi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 08/18/2008
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President Bush on the war in Caucases:
"Great powers should not go about toppling governments in the 21st century."

Huh? I guess Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia don't count, do they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 08/18/2008

Someone please explain to me why the US encouraged Israel's "response" in Lebanon that resulted in the death of over 1000 Lebanese civilians (all for the capturing of two soldiers on disputed border territory) and the destruction of the whole country's infrastructure for 33 days, while it is bashing Russia for stopping a Georgian invasion, killing less than 100 civilians, and lasting 10 days.

This is just one reason that the US has lost its moral standing in the world. It's time for this "administration" to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 08/18/2008
- qwr I'm a Fan of qwr permalink

Well, fears of hypocrisy isn't going to stop our government. I notice that Obama is no different in this regard. Hope and change indeed! (disclaimer: I am not a McCain supporter. He is far worse.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 08/18/2008

If loud mouth McCain had kept his mouth shut, Obama would likely have not said anything. As is was the MSM was cutting Obama to shreds for not being aggressive enough with his first statement. To get elected in this country, you have to dumb down for the general voting public. Don’t vote and McCain will be elected and then you will see what disaster is. McCain is not fit to be President. As it is, Georgia is the new be afraid card for the November elections – back to the cold war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 08/18/2008
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When will the US "pay a price"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 08/18/2008

We already do at the gas pump as well as through other crises of economical nature, not to mention our moral standing in the world which will take decades to repair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 08/18/2008

McCain contributed to this foreign policy disaster. The NYT reported McCain gave the Georgians encouragement to attack Russians shortly before the attack. McCain ruined the administration's message of caution to Georgia by his bellecose meddling. See NYT excerpt below:

Senator John McCain, whose campaign foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, had represented Georgia as a lobbyist, was the first to blast Russia. Mr. McCain, who already was the Republicans’ presumptive presidential nominee, telephoned Mr. Saakashvili to offer support, and then told reporters on April 17 that “we must not allow Russia to believe it has a free hand to engage in policies that undermine Georgian sovereignty.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 08/18/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 275 fans permalink

U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

... and they say it without gagging and rolling their eyes.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She then inquired of the press, "Anyone know if I was indicted while I was away?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 08/18/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 85 fans permalink
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"Russia will pay a price".

What price will Georgia pay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 08/18/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 275 fans permalink

Randy Scheunemann's lobbying fee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 08/18/2008
- brainuser I'm a Fan of brainuser 4 fans permalink

Any coincidence that Rice looks very Russian with those horizontal stripes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 08/18/2008

Just as in every conflict it is important to role play and see what you would do in the same situation.
Imagine if Cuba launched an attack on Guantanimo Bay. Does anyone believe the US would cease fire as soon as the attackers were pushed out of the area? Or would we attack mainland Cuba?

As for the article...this stands out:
"The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday."

The NYtimes has no standing to make such an accusation using unnamed sources

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 08/18/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 22 fans permalink

My guess is that Google earth would have enough detail to show this. it would be interesting to see if this is "blurred out." Like the VP's undisclosed abode is blurred out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 08/18/2008

I'm fairly certain that google earth is just snapshots rarely updated.

There are spy satellites that might be able to prove it though. Obviously we don't have access to them...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 08/18/2008
- DannyRose I'm a Fan of DannyRose 35 fans permalink
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Why is it that no one (and I mean no one to whom I have spoken to) knows that Georgia sparked the war on the night of Aug 7, when they unleashed BM-21 "Grad" rocket launchers upon the city of Tskhinvali, flattening it and killing between 1,000 - 2,000 civilians and 12 UN-sanctioned peacekeepers???

Is it because of the beloved and unbiased MSM in this country? Isn't this the kind of violence that led us to go halfway around the world to beat the c r a p out of Serbia for doing the same to Kosovo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 08/18/2008

There was obviosely a secret deal Georgia for Iran wake up sheeple!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 08/18/2008

Perhaps they should supply military hardware to a tin pot neo-nationalist puppet state, to attack their neighbors while major head of state are out of town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 08/18/2008
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