US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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She is a puppet, plain and simple. She once had a "super-tanker" named after her. It was called the "Chevron Condoleezza Rice ". No kidding. See this link: http://www.aztlan.net/oiltanker.htm.
They changed the tanker's name in 2001 in order to hide the connection between the Bush crime family and "BIG OIL". Think before you vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 08/18/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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"disproportionate force" - they used to call it "shock and awe". And it was a good thing, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 08/18/2008
- kfdan I'm a Fan of kfdan 23 fans permalink
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Gee, Condi ... sounds like your boss is putting on his soft leather gloves to slap the Russians. It's another moment that could jolt awareness of the Bush administration's true weakness ... when all Americans should realize that the Russian move is an example of the Bush legacy! Remember Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 08/18/2008
- Kenji I'm a Fan of Kenji 19 fans permalink
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Boy, it's a good thing she speaks Russian, innit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 08/18/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 22 fans permalink

My guess is that the Russians will offer her a job after she leaves the administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 08/18/2008

The administration has found in Russia an adversary that views the "sternly worded letter" issued by it in the same light with which the administration views the same sternly worded letters from the democrats in congress.
I am sure that Russia will react in about the same way that the administration has. By treating the issuer of such with contempt and insolence.
After all, Russia cares not one wit for what the US or anyone else has to say or think about this.
Russia has already broken NATO to its will and it will soon become apparent to even the neocon's that Russia has broken the US to its will as well.
Russia has reduced the officials and supporters of the Bush administration to a weak and ineffectual lot of crybabies as they are forced to come to terms with the brutality called objective circumstances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 08/18/2008
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Even though the US, Israel and Ukraine assisted in Georgia's assault on Ossetia?

Interesting...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 08/18/2008
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 64 fans permalink
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For wars of aggression, may I suggest 1-part Neo Con and 3-parts militant corporatist?

http://www.light-to-dark.com/pox_americana.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/18/2008

Here's how this is gonna play out. It's gonna tickle W's friends pink:

The US will, in fact, come up with some sort of "punishment".

Putin will laugh at it and say "No oil for you, three weeks!"

Gas will shoot up to 7 bucks a gallon.

We lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/18/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 08/18/2008

Thanks for the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 08/18/2008

"Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said."

Sorta like attacking and occupying a nation that never did anything to us? EVER?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/18/2008
- unionave I'm a Fan of unionave 63 fans permalink
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Well the GOP turned French Fries in to Freedom Fries . Are they going to turn Russian Roulette in to Freedom Roulette ? We all understand the GOP's need for enemies , but couldn't we just stick with the present little guys and leave the big bears alone ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

It's going to be Polish potatoes and Polish Pinball.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 08/18/2008
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Well, Condi can try stamping her Ferragamos, but I don't think Putin will give a damn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 08/18/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

WE best pray that Rice and Bush shut their mouths and do some long and hard thinking.

Russia isn't Iraq - they can win any and all duals in these backward countries - if the US sends in ground troops the troops will be destroyed.

God help the US!!!

Our leaders think like Texas cowboys and want to shoot from the hip - a good way to get your butt blasted off by Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 08/18/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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You know what would be so cool? Good, smart, effective American leaders. A foreign policy that's savvy and forward-looking. An international presence so dynamic and impressive that, when the unwished-for but inevitable confrontations with world leaders occurred, we could point to our leaders with pride on blogs like this and say Yay, Us! I'm really proud of America!

That would be so cool. We'd be all patriotic and everything. It would drive the trolls crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 08/18/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 43 fans permalink

Better get busy and defeat McCain! Work your butt off!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 08/18/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Sounds good but would the oil companies still be making record profits? That's the most important thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 08/18/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

Don't forget the arms makers. They need the sound of rattling sabers in order to make a profit. Buy Halliburton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 08/18/2008
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 79 fans permalink
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naw, let's continue sword fighting with our d--ks. keepin it real...real dumb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 08/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 644 fans permalink
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will not happen until the Corporate Power Structure is disassembled

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/18/2008
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

It would be great to get off Stuck on Stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 08/18/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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If we were to enact regulations once again to get the Futures and Commodities Market under control and end the criminal insider trading that has spiked Oil and Gas Prices, this would help our crumbling economy and also hurt the Russians who are being enriched by many billions due to Phil Gramm and his Enron Loophole as well as trading in London on the ICE market and also Dubai..

This aids the U.S. and our allies and hurts Russia, a perfect thing to do..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 08/18/2008
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 67 fans permalink
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Bush and his administration are full of empty threats now. Where were then when Putin made independent parties illegal, put his political foes in jail, took over all media and exiled (or even killed) anybody who stood against him??

For this administration it's too late to act like they care about freedom - clearly they didn't. They allowed Putin and Russia to grow into the bully it is today, and by getting bogged down in a war America should never have been in, we can't do anything about it now.

More failure for the Bush legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 08/18/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Okay, okay, okay. $1.99, but I won't go a dime lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 08/17/2008
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