US, allies contemplating action against Russia

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DEB RIECHMANN | August 17, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returns to her motorcade after appearing on the Sunday morning television talk shows to discuss the crisis in Georgia, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008, in Crawford, Texas. President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions.

The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia. It doesn't want to deeply damage existing cooperation on many fronts or discourage Moscow from further integrating itself into global economic and political institutions. At the same time, U.S. officials say Russia can't be allowed to get away with invading its neighbor.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia, which is heavily influenced by Russia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces, then drove deep into the country, bombed Georgian ports and military installations and tied up an east-west highway through the nation.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed President Bush on the fast-changing crisis over the weekend at his Texas ranch, said, "There's no doubt there will be further consequences" to Russia.

She returned to Washington on Sunday and is flying to Brussels, Belgium, on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia.

Rice is then flying to Warsaw, Poland, where she will sign a formal agreement with Poland for the establishment of a missile interceptor site there. Moscow has protested the U.S. plans for such a base so close to its borders.

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Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against Georgia and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions, Rice said.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

But neither Rice nor Defense Secretary Robert Gates would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

"We're going to take our time and assess what further consequences there should be to the relationship," Rice said.

The United States wants to take a tough stance against Russia, but there is much at stake.

"The facts are that the United States has to work with Russia on Iran, on nuclear problems of proliferation, on a whole raft of trade issues at a time in which the United States has a huge domestic deficit," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the senior Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

And holding open the prospect of taking steps against Russia gives the United States some leverage in pushing Russia to withdraw from Georgia. But nothing is expected to happen in a hurry, and the United States doesn't want to turn the conflict into a fight between the former Cold War rivals.

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," he said.

Asked whether Russia should be kicked out of the Group of Eight major industrialized states, or whether it should be kept from joining the World Trade Organization, Gates replied vaguely, saying the U.S. and its allies can choose from a broad menu of possible punitive steps. Russia already is feeling repercussions, he said.

"The whole world is looking at Russia through a different set of lenses than just a week and a half or two weeks ago, so there are already consequences," Gates said. "I think they may not appreciate the magnitude of those consequences yet. The longer they take to get out and to observe the cease-fire that's been declared and the arrangements that have been worked out, I think the greater those consequences will be."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian troops will begin leaving Monday, but made no mention of leaving the separatist province at the heart of the conflict between the countries.

The Bush administration is hopeful yet skeptical that Russia will honor its pledge to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire it signed Saturday.

"My own view is that the Russians will probably stall and perhaps take more time than anybody would like," Gates said. "I think we just need to keep the pressure and ensure that they abide by the agreement that they've signed and do so in a timely way."

The Russians say they're going to take their time in leaving the South Carolina-sized democracy that declared its independence in 1991.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, said Russian forces will be out of Georgia "sooner or later," but how much time it takes depends on how Georgia behaves.

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians" _ residents of two separatist areas of Georgia now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers.

Rice and Gates pressed the administration's case during appearances on five Sunday talks shows _ Rice on "Fox News Sunday," CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press," and Gates on ABC's "This Week" and "Late Edition" on CNN. Kosachev and Lugar also appeared on CNN.

CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
CRAWFORD, Texas — The United States on Sunday accused Russia of stalling its military pullback in Georgia, but the Bush administration is not rushing to repudiate Moscow for its actions. The Wh...
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- TheHandyman I'm a Fan of TheHandyman 111 fans permalink
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Mind boggling! Herr shrub, McBoosh, the swinging watergate, and now Auntie Rice look stern and waggle their fingers. When they talk about Russia invading Georgia every other word out of their mouth should be hypocrite! Do they understand that because of what the US did to Afghanistan and Iraq that they have no crediablity? This is what they've done for the US. We no longer have any moral highground. How long before these evil oders are rounded up and tried for teason. They have shamed our country!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 08/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Let's focus on Karl Rove's involvement

It's amazing he takes his little games abroad and tries to start wars and get loads of innocent people killed.

Careful Karl...watch out for those radioactive cocktails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

You're right. He was in Georgia last month, wasn't he? Suppose he gave Saakashvili some testosterone shots along with the dumb pills?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 08/18/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 44 fans permalink

From the people who brought you: "George W. Bush, President!"

Now it's: "John McCain And The New Cold War!"

"I'm sorry to tell you, there will be more WARS!"- John McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 08/17/2008
- pie8ter I'm a Fan of pie8ter 3 fans permalink

You forgot to say "My friends!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 08/17/2008
- Winski I'm a Fan of Winski 9 fans permalink
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Teehee......Bush, Cheeney, Condi, Gates, et.al...snearing and lookin all mean...LOL!!

The Russians have all the money now they need for a while, they control most of the oil supply in that part of the world, they have friends we can't/won't/don't know how to talk to to try and resolve this...Wonder who has the upper hand here??? Hummmm....

Did Condi comment on her shoes that she picked up in Paris today on faux news?? Ooops..sorry missed that one...

Teehee.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/17/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 427 fans permalink
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I just don't see us having much leverage over Russia at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 08/17/2008

Thanks for bringing that up tommygun. I was wondering what KR was doing at that meeting when he was supposted to be testifing before congress. Was this all an August surprise gone horribly wrong? And what was Bob Shrum doing at that meeting? Can anyone answer that? John Conyers is it time for inherent contempt yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 08/17/2008

Russian troop withdrawal? Everyone know it takes at least 16 months to move troops out of a country.... unless they are Georgian troops in Iraq in which case 2000 of them can be sent home within 24 hours. Maybe Obama should ask Bush how he managed that trick?

The AP report is a pack of lies. 100% propaganda rag. Good for nothing but late night comedy shows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 08/17/2008
- DANOSC I'm a Fan of DANOSC 7 fans permalink

Russia will pay a price? Er-right. You and who's army? Not ours! But, if Russia had to pay a fine, it's got the money to do so. The ruble five years ago was a joke--now, its stronger than the dollar. All those petrorubles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 08/17/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 353 fans permalink
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"The White House is struggling to figure out the best way to penalize Russia."
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They're struggling because their chest-thumping has become the fodder of jokes around the world, and they just don't know how to handle being dismissed with a sniff and a snicker, as Putin is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/17/2008

Precisely. And this is supposed to be Rice's area of expertise? I understand she had to cut her vacation short to start acting like she gave a damn about the mess that they created here behind the scenes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 08/17/2008
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This administration has lost the moral high ground by it's innumerable criminal actions and now fully exposed deception in a multitude of war crimes including knowingly fabricating the reasons for a preemptive war of choice in which thousands has lost their lives and many thousands more are forever maimed and scared.
From Treason to torture these tyrants have paved the road to turmoil that will grip our world for years to come unless and until we redeem ourselves and call for true "JUSTICE" for all the world to see.
Only then can we stand with humility, again holding the torch of righteous action to light the path back to civilized society, back to sanity.
Until that day, we have lost the strength only honest and decent peoples can posses. RIGHT MAKES MIGHT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/17/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 44 fans permalink

Try telling THAT to Mukasey! Vive la France!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 08/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

i wonder how you say "Get real" in Russian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 08/17/2008
- tomomaha I'm a Fan of tomomaha 2 fans permalink

Tough one, even for a professional translator...... um.....

Well there "Будь реалистичен!" (Be realistic), but that doesn't quite capture it.

Maybe

"Проснись!" (Wake Up!)

Very colorful version from my favorite on-line dictionary:

"Ты что, с Луны свалился?" (What, did you just fall from the moon?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

yeah, that's the ticket.

Yo, Bush, what, did you just fall from the moon??

Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 08/17/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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получить реальные

Does that work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 08/18/2008
- tomomaha I'm a Fan of tomomaha 2 fans permalink

Poluchit'

Davai na latinitse, a to zdez' kirillitsa khrenovo rabotaet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 08/18/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Lawd have mercy! Who has the better sense of humor?

The Americans with:

"There is no need to rush into everything," Gates said. "We don't want to do it unilaterally.'

Is that snark, Mr. Gates???

Or the Russians with:

Echoing Bush's call to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, Kosachev said: "If I would ask you ... `How fast the American forces can leave Iraq?' ... the answer would be, as soon as we have guarantees for peace and security there.

"The same answer would be toward this situation: as soon as we are assured that Georgians will not continue to use military force against South Ossetians and against Abkhazians"

Russians definitely have the snark thing down. Everybody is being a real comedian. War is SO funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

These people have less than 5 months in office, you think the Russians give a damn what they say or do.
I wouldn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 08/17/2008

This is a non-story and that's all told in the first sentence: Rice had to go to Crawford to talk to "our president". Vacaions rule, we all know that, at least those of us who still have the abiility to take a vacation. But enough of this administration.

My fervent hope is that many Americans will fact check the horrendous television ads put out by the McCain machine and will furthier check McCain's voting record, not to mention checking out his dismal performances via off-the-cuff, unrehearsed answers to reporters questions. Any thinking person should be very afraid of his abilities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/17/2008
- Agnim I'm a Fan of Agnim 6 fans permalink

Russia will pay a price?
Ha!

Russians will no longer assist with Korea and Iranian nukes? lol

Will the US and britain and Georgians 'pay a price' for smashing up INNOCENT Iraqis?

Instead of apologizing to the Russians for encouraging the Georgian genocidal smashing of Ossetian and Russian citizens, the bungling bush is talking nonsense about punishing.

Bush is just embarrass, and rightly so, that the Russians weren't an easy pushover like the INNOCENT Iraqi civilians!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/17/2008
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