Caucus Opponents Prepare To Descend On Democratic Convention

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First Posted: 08-18-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 09-18-08 05:12 AM

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Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers of the amendment were told. Nothing if not dedicated, that is precisely what those activists -- most of whom were staunch backers of Sen. Hillary Clinton -- are planning to do.

As it happens, the rules committee's next meeting is set for this Saturday in Denver. Any amendments that are passed from that body -- or that gain enough votes to achieve "minority report" status -- will in turn be reported to the floor of the convention, representing perhaps one of the few legitimately unscripted possibilities of the entire extravaganza.

Bob Remer, a Clinton delegate from Illinois who drafted the failed platform amendment, has more modest goals this time around. Instead of killing off the caucus system altogether via an amendment at the rules committee, he simply hopes to propose the establishment of a "Nomination Voting Rights Commission" that can look into the system's shortcomings going forward. Unlike some anti-caucus activists who appear focused on undermining the legitimacy of Barack Obama's path to the nomination, Remer swears that he simply wants to add fairness and legitimacy to a system that was responsible for so much heartburn this time around.

"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said. "But I want to see a firm commitment to addressing this issue, too. If the party can find a way to protect voting rights within the caucus system, God bless. I don't know how it could be done. And I understand there are costs involved when implementing a primary system [in all states]. But I want the party to commit itself to some basic principles. This isn't about picking on Iowa or Texas or Nevada. This is about respecting the rights of the individual voter."

In an email to anti-caucus activists that was also provided to the Huffington Post, Remer outlines a familiar litany of grievances against the caucus system. "Those of us who vote in primary states are accustomed and fortunate to have the secret ballot, early voting, absentee voting, supervised and protected nursing home absentee voting, absentee ballots for those in military service or overseas, lengthy hours so people who work all shifts can vote, ADA compliant polling places, legal protections against intimidation and coercion in or near the polling place, and many other civil rights and protections under law," Remer wrote. "Under the caucus nomination method these protections do not exist."

To that end, Remer has drafted a proposed amendment that currently reads:

Whereas the Democratic Party is dedicated to strong general election voting rights,


and Whereas the Democratic Party has a strong platform statement (as approved by the Platform Committee) in support of general election voting rights, including passage of the "Count Every Vote Act,"

and Whereas the Democratic party is always committed to, but not limited to, a) the secret ballot, b) ADA disability accessibility for all voters, c) maximizing voter participation in the Democratic Party nomination process, d) and protecting all other voters' rights in the nomination process that are protected in general elections,

Therefore, be it resolved that effective February 2009, the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory for the Democratic Party presidential nomination process to be effective for all nomination activities in advance of the 2012 national convention and general election of 2012, and thereafter. The Commission shall report back to the Democratic National Committee no later than December 2009 with firm recommendations for implementing voters' rights in every state and territory. Under separate resolution the Convention Rules Committee shall promulgate procedures and suggested membership for such a Commission, taking into account representation from voters' rights advocates, caucus states, non caucus states, representatives of the major candidates in the immediate past nomination process, etc.

In his email to supporters, Remer revealed that he hopes to address the rules committee in person -- though if he is denied that opportunity, "we already have a couple of Rules members interested in sponsoring such a resolution. More would be better." According to Remer, of the 191 rules committee members, 87 are identified as committed to Obama, 76 are identified with Clinton, with one for Senator John Edwards and 27 others who hold no designation. "We would like supporters of all the candidates to sponsor this," he wrote, encouraging other anti-caucus activists to contact rules committee members directly in order to lobby for their support.

Since Remer calculates that he will only need the support of 37 committee members to merit a "minority report" that would then be passed on to the convention, he feels fairly confident that he and his allies can reach that threshold. Though he hasn't given up passing the amendment outright, either. "My resolution is not pro-Clinton or anti-Obama or whatever. And it may take a few years to work this out with all the states in terms of transitions. But I know that they [the rules committee] is eager to avoid floor fights [at the convention]."

While the platform committee meeting was organized to process a great number of amendments, the rules committee in Denver could turn out to be a more restricted affair. And while sources close to the DNC are acknowledge the fact that the caucus system needs a careful evaluation before 2012, it's not hard to see why they might seek to avoid kicking off that discussion two days before the start of the 2008 convention. But with some media watchdogs expressing skepticism regarding the news value of an over-scripted convention, the uncertainty of the caucus reform issue could add a welcome dose of suspense.

Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
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It's bad enough that Hillary provided soundbites for McCain to attack Obama (e.g. "I have experience. McCain has experience. Obama has a speech."); but if Hillary's supporters torpedo the convention or if they divert attention away from the candidate, any hopes for Hillary to become a future presidential candidate will be dashed. If she cares, Ms. Clinton had better get a handle on her folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- lisak2008 I'm a Fan of lisak2008 11 fans permalink
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"Dashed"? She has absolutely NO chance of EVER becoming the nominee in future primaries. HRC will be lucky if she can keep her NY seat after this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 08/19/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 96 fans permalink
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You know, for lack of a better way of putting it, CAUCUSES SUCK! They are like VOTING FOR ZOMBIES. Elections in grade school make more sense. When are the Dems going to WAKE UP AND WIN for a change?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 08/19/2008
- lisak2008 I'm a Fan of lisak2008 11 fans permalink
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For a lack of a better way to ask it, did you whine about caucuses in 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, etc? Until the Queen lost, there was no problem with them. Sorry she won't get coronated this go round, but please get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 08/19/2008

The caucus system is participatory, democratic government at its best. It is intended to get voters off their politically lazy behinds and actively involved in the political process. It energizes a party, at the grass roots level, something that has been missing from politics for years, especially in the Democratic Party. The Party needs more caucusing, not less.

Who would be interested in jettisoning the causus?

Folks who are not sufficiently concerned about what's happening in this country, politically, to make any real effort at turning things around.

Folks that are too lazy to caucus but also wish to prevent others from getting more
involved.

Folks who embrace the philosophies of Brother Rove and like minded individuals.

Folks who are sore losers, preferring to sulk about the loss of their favorite candidate and further harm an already struggling political party by destroying one of its most democratic traditions, rather than act like grownups and admit the truth - that their candidate ran a short sighted, unprofessional and remarkably ineffective campaign.

Mr. Remer presumably falls into the latter category. He is part of the problem, not the solution. His efforts to do away with caucusing should be rejected, for doing so clearly weakens the democratic process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 08/19/2008

Get behind them and watch. The only way they could lose is if a large enough lunatic group from Clinton camp votes for McCain.
And you know what, I beginning to not give a damn if he does lose. It would be a true reflection on us.

USA USA USA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/19/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

Caucus states rule - they cannot get people out to vote otherwise.

Face it - most folks don't wanna vote to begin with.

Caucus - the true democratic way.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 08/19/2008
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Blah, Blah, Blah, all these petty distractions about insignificant rules and procedural challenges, with just a few more days until our convention starts, please remind me again when do we start showing unity and a democratic party fully behind our candidate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 08/19/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 77 fans permalink
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"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said.

Honestly, statements like this make me see red. Since when is it a priority of any party to continually campaign to win more votes than the other side? What happened to the main job of politicians to do their DA*MN jobs which is what we expect them to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/19/2008

Well if that makes you see red, you got red in your eyes.

Because the other side is doing a much worse job , thats why. That is ALL Rove, Delay, Bush, etc

have worked on. Do you remember Monica Goodling, Al Gonzales-US attorney dismissals and on and

on.

And the other reason is because of the political "balance" it doesn't seem Congress can do anything.

I am seeking imbalance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 08/19/2008

check out...
www.caucusanalysis.org to see a state by state analysis of the caucuses, testimonies from caucus goers, actual filed affidavits and lots more. Watch videos that take you inside the caucus experience and then make up your own mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/19/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

Clinton lost.

HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I feel better.

HEE HEE!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 08/19/2008

You people don't realize this isn't about Clinton or Obama. It's time everybody got over the primaries and makes sure we don't have another mess like this year again.
If you're being honest with yourself, you have to admit that there are a lot of things wrong with caucuses, even if you're not concerned about the lack of a secret ballot etc. Simply compare their turnouts with primary turnouts and you will see that the caucus system prevents a lot of people from voting. I don't believe anybody can be in favor of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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No. I think voting day, in both the primary and the general election, should be paid 'off days'. No excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/19/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 77 fans permalink
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And ALL the primaries should be held on the same day in every state. No more of this idiotic cr*ap that gives one state and a minority of the people the biggest right to pick the nominees. We all know it happens....the front runner in the first primary is almost declared a winner by the media and the rest of the voters follow right along like cattle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 08/19/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 96 fans permalink
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Caucuses are just another way of humans trying to feel important and have their asses kissed MORE than in a regular primary election. TO HELL WITH CAUCUSES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 95 fans permalink

Caucuses have had poor turnout in the past because most people do not understand them.

Obama changed that. He sent emails explaining in detail exactly how caucuses work, and how to find out when and where to show up to attend.

As a result lots of people showed up to caucus for him.

Hillary is just angry she didn't think of it.

Obama has already improved the democratic process with this move. Thanks to him I'll be attending caucuses from now on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 08/19/2008

The turnout has gone up but it's still low compared to the primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 08/19/2008

It appears to me that the Clinton wing is attempting to set up a coup, but only if they can get away with it. So they are intelligently emphacizing (and creating) Barack's so-called weaknesses, including the so-called experience deficit. That explains Bill's refusal to say that Obama is qualified to be President, the maneuvers on caucuses, the insistence on putting her name in nomination, etc. However, although they'll use the Harriet Christian wing to act irrational and claim they can't control it, they won't create a direct confrontation, hoping the delegates will have some buyers' remorse because Barack is not further ahead in the polls than some hoped. The Clinton wing even created the mentality that the Democrat should be further ahead of McCain, knowing this race will be somewhat close, so they could exaggerate Obama's alleged weaknesses prior to the Convention.

Having said that, the Democrats have to fix their primary system. This process, although I support the result, was crazy and antithetical to a Democratic general election victory, regardless of which candidate won the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/19/2008
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The issue isn't caucus vs. primary.

The issue is the allocation of delegates by percentage.

The anti-caucus folks are just so proud of their sour grapes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 08/19/2008
- Paul Abrams - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Paul Abrams 174 fans permalink

Girls and Boys, how about keeping our eye on the ball? If Obama wins, the nomination in '12 will be his, and there will little or no contest at all.
So, we will have 8 years to deal with this matter.
If Obama does not win, this will be considered another distraction that led to the disunity. If he does not win, we can always bring up the rules at the mid-term convention in '10.

For now, let's keep our eyes on the ball. OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/19/2008
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Yes, let's keep our eyes on the ball or our eyes won't be on the ball and it would be really awful if we didn't keep our eyes on the ball.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 08/19/2008

I agree, bringing this issue to the floor during the convention will only breed more animosity on both sides.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/19/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 96 fans permalink
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I have news for you Paul. Let me point out one key word in your post, IF. IF obama wins. To think we are still saying that, even after 8 years of bush and a bush grandpa clone running against him. The IF will become even BIGGER once he picks one of the 3 front runners for his v.p. If he puts his ego, and the boys club before WINNING in this choice, well Mr. Obama, we will all be seeing you back at the senate with someone like LIEBERMAN presiding OVER YOU!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 08/19/2008

How do you admittedely throw the "kitchen sink" at someone and then expect that person to pick you for a running mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 08/19/2008
- dwilkerson I'm a Fan of dwilkerson 9 fans permalink

Sour grapes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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..Make bitter 'whine':)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/19/2008
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Or the ol' "would you like some cheese with that "whine"." :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 08/19/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 66 fans permalink

Don't you recall how the Obama fans moaned and groaned and whined and complained after the New Hampshire primary? It was fixed. There was voter fraud a la Florida 2000 and so on. Yup. Those Obama folks know how to play both sides every time. I am so sick of them. They deserve to lose for their hypocrisy and arrogance. It's only right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/19/2008

I know hilary won New Hempshire without cheating. However, she still lost the overall race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/19/2008
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 424 fans permalink
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Hillalry did lose, so I guess that means she deserved it too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 08/19/2008
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In the section known as Harlem in N.Y. O received 0% ... anything is possible!!!

93% AA support

Not one vote registered in Harlem???

Anybody else see that 800 lb furry thing in the corner???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/19/2008

Obama fans like myself were certainly disappointed after New Hampshire, but picked up and moved on. Just like it's time for all the Hillary folks like yourself to do, RButler. Get over it, and get behind Obama to take back the White House. That's the real issue here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 08/19/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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The problem with the way you label "obama fans is that it Rovian.
You take what a few people say and apply it to everyone.
Its silly really and a waste of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 08/19/2008
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Hmmm .... Black man beats white men (and women) by the twisted rules in place. Do they decide to try harder next go around ... no ... Change the rules!!! God forbid we don't have a system in place to keep this from happening again.

Just pathetic .... but not shocking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/19/2008
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Note to Hillary:
It's over! Half the party loathes you. Please go away now.
Funny how the caucus's were never a problem until the brother won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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More than half, that's why she ISN'T the nominee....even with all the 'chaos' votes she received.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 08/19/2008
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There have been complaints about caucuses for decades. I know the man always tryina keep a brother down, but this ain't the case in this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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I haven't heard 'em. Was it always the LOSING side? Why don't they 'platform' against voter disenfranchisement period? That's the excuse they're trying to push.
Hopefully the citizens of harlem, and the backward voting(-16,000) electorate in florida will join them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 08/19/2008
- wendynyc I'm a Fan of wendynyc 13 fans permalink

Sour grapes for Hillary supporters - caucuses are great! "O" won fair and square. Get over it!!

Let's move on and focus on defeating McCain in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 08/19/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 76 fans permalink
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Caucuses might be fun for some of the participants, but it does not reflect the "one person, one vote", secret ballot that is the basis for our election system. I think caucuses are a political ploy and should be relegated to the same importance as "town hall meeting" forums. The results of many of the caucuses this year made the voters in those areas seem to be uninformed and interested in pushing wedge issues into the campaigns. No to caucuses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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Yeah, we can never allow for an open exchange of ideas. Some of those less than flattering 'facts' my change a few minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 08/19/2008
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Kind of like the Electoral college? Quit your bitchen and use your brain to figure out how to defeat it!!! Or is it you just wish it would have been different results THIS time around!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 08/19/2008
- woodbuck I'm a Fan of woodbuck 2 fans permalink

what bikerdude does not get, is that the act where a political party picks its candidates is not the same as a general election. each party has its own rules, and, all of us who come together at a caucus, are coming as party members or supporters. the whole system where i live in minnesota, is based on every participant being a part of the process, what could be more democratic than that. do we really want crossover voters picking the nominees of our party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

People.
Red state caucases are not how Democrats win elections.
You can game them and buy delegates to get the nomination.
That's as far as it goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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Funny, I've never heard anyone complain about caucuses before HRC got her @ss handed to her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 08/19/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 76 fans permalink
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Hardly "got her ass handed to her...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 08/19/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 45 fans permalink
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Exactly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 08/19/2008
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That is because the defeaters and the defeated have all been white before!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/19/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 268 fans permalink
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This is true and it burns me up, all this whining and mewing. It's nothing but envy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 08/19/2008
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You know...
if these so-called PUMAs would quit their bitchin', get their asses in gear, and take this pent up energy and frustration and use it to go after McBRUTUS, we'd all be in much better shape and Obama could focus on whipping the Rethugs back into Kingdom Come (that's where they all want to go anyway).

It's useless trying to argue with a brick wall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 08/19/2008
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