Caucus Opponents Prepare To Descend On Democratic Convention

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First Posted: 08-18-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 09-18-08 05:12 AM

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Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers of the amendment were told. Nothing if not dedicated, that is precisely what those activists -- most of whom were staunch backers of Sen. Hillary Clinton -- are planning to do.

As it happens, the rules committee's next meeting is set for this Saturday in Denver. Any amendments that are passed from that body -- or that gain enough votes to achieve "minority report" status -- will in turn be reported to the floor of the convention, representing perhaps one of the few legitimately unscripted possibilities of the entire extravaganza.

Bob Remer, a Clinton delegate from Illinois who drafted the failed platform amendment, has more modest goals this time around. Instead of killing off the caucus system altogether via an amendment at the rules committee, he simply hopes to propose the establishment of a "Nomination Voting Rights Commission" that can look into the system's shortcomings going forward. Unlike some anti-caucus activists who appear focused on undermining the legitimacy of Barack Obama's path to the nomination, Remer swears that he simply wants to add fairness and legitimacy to a system that was responsible for so much heartburn this time around.

"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said. "But I want to see a firm commitment to addressing this issue, too. If the party can find a way to protect voting rights within the caucus system, God bless. I don't know how it could be done. And I understand there are costs involved when implementing a primary system [in all states]. But I want the party to commit itself to some basic principles. This isn't about picking on Iowa or Texas or Nevada. This is about respecting the rights of the individual voter."

In an email to anti-caucus activists that was also provided to the Huffington Post, Remer outlines a familiar litany of grievances against the caucus system. "Those of us who vote in primary states are accustomed and fortunate to have the secret ballot, early voting, absentee voting, supervised and protected nursing home absentee voting, absentee ballots for those in military service or overseas, lengthy hours so people who work all shifts can vote, ADA compliant polling places, legal protections against intimidation and coercion in or near the polling place, and many other civil rights and protections under law," Remer wrote. "Under the caucus nomination method these protections do not exist."

To that end, Remer has drafted a proposed amendment that currently reads:

Whereas the Democratic Party is dedicated to strong general election voting rights,


and Whereas the Democratic Party has a strong platform statement (as approved by the Platform Committee) in support of general election voting rights, including passage of the "Count Every Vote Act,"

and Whereas the Democratic party is always committed to, but not limited to, a) the secret ballot, b) ADA disability accessibility for all voters, c) maximizing voter participation in the Democratic Party nomination process, d) and protecting all other voters' rights in the nomination process that are protected in general elections,

Therefore, be it resolved that effective February 2009, the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory for the Democratic Party presidential nomination process to be effective for all nomination activities in advance of the 2012 national convention and general election of 2012, and thereafter. The Commission shall report back to the Democratic National Committee no later than December 2009 with firm recommendations for implementing voters' rights in every state and territory. Under separate resolution the Convention Rules Committee shall promulgate procedures and suggested membership for such a Commission, taking into account representation from voters' rights advocates, caucus states, non caucus states, representatives of the major candidates in the immediate past nomination process, etc.

In his email to supporters, Remer revealed that he hopes to address the rules committee in person -- though if he is denied that opportunity, "we already have a couple of Rules members interested in sponsoring such a resolution. More would be better." According to Remer, of the 191 rules committee members, 87 are identified as committed to Obama, 76 are identified with Clinton, with one for Senator John Edwards and 27 others who hold no designation. "We would like supporters of all the candidates to sponsor this," he wrote, encouraging other anti-caucus activists to contact rules committee members directly in order to lobby for their support.

Since Remer calculates that he will only need the support of 37 committee members to merit a "minority report" that would then be passed on to the convention, he feels fairly confident that he and his allies can reach that threshold. Though he hasn't given up passing the amendment outright, either. "My resolution is not pro-Clinton or anti-Obama or whatever. And it may take a few years to work this out with all the states in terms of transitions. But I know that they [the rules committee] is eager to avoid floor fights [at the convention]."

While the platform committee meeting was organized to process a great number of amendments, the rules committee in Denver could turn out to be a more restricted affair. And while sources close to the DNC are acknowledge the fact that the caucus system needs a careful evaluation before 2012, it's not hard to see why they might seek to avoid kicking off that discussion two days before the start of the 2008 convention. But with some media watchdogs expressing skepticism regarding the news value of an over-scripted convention, the uncertainty of the caucus reform issue could add a welcome dose of suspense.

Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
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I'm getting a bad feeling with these Clinton trolls coming to Denver
Just think the Clinton's and their delegates together at the Convention, roll-call, Puma's and with a couple of
knifes in the back room anything can happen...Watch out Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

srijan
Yes, real democracy should give everyone a bad feeling.
Don't worry.
I'll be at the Rockies game during the torch light parade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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I wonder why none of the losers on the repube side are crying, and whining(didn't you hear gram?) about the caucus system? hmmmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 08/19/2008
- allonfla I'm a Fan of allonfla 39 fans permalink

Don't Worry! It is all overblown-once the convention is over we will barely hear about these nook nooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 08/19/2008
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Washington State now has an absurd "top two" primary that has survived several court battles. So, here it is quite conceivable that a primary election would result in a general election runoff between two Republicans or two Democrats.

Give me a caucus any day over this nonsense.

The caucuses I participated in was so packed with people it was hard to move. O. won by a huge margin, as he did in caucuses state-wide. It seemed pretty democratic to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 08/19/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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I love the thought of people coming together to discuss why they've made their choice. Expanding beyond the '30 second soundbite', parroted talking points of the Mc and HRC voters.
The one thing I would change is that in 'caucus states', voting day should be a paid holiday. No excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 08/19/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 77 fans permalink
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Sure, but let the caucuses and the voting be on different days or at least in different locations. The arm twisting should not be permitted. That is why the repubes love this tactic so much. No more caucuses.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 08/19/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 45 fans permalink
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If people want to change the way we elect a candidate in the party system that's fine but you don't get to whine about the result post mortem. Grow up folks, everyone knew the rules going in. You can't fault a candidate for being better organized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 08/19/2008

Oh yeah? just watch 'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 08/19/2008
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Exactly!! I don't understand.....they want the rules to be followed, but yet when they are followed it's an outrage...same thing w/ MI and FL - EVERYONE knew what the game plan was before everything happened. You can't change the goal posts in the middle of the game!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 08/19/2008

Funny how none of these people where concerned about the fairness of caucus votes until Hillary started to lose. They had 4 yrs to mount these protests and not a peep. Smoke and mirrors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

"Those" caucases are meaningless for party victory in November.
That Dean, Donna, and Axelrod gamed them to get Obama the nomination should cause concern on a number of levels children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 08/19/2008

I don't suppose you wuld even make a hypothetical allowance that more people simply support BO?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 08/19/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 45 fans permalink
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You mean those caucuses that the Clintons helped form? Go have a whiz, kid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 08/19/2008
- mnash I'm a Fan of mnash 3 fans permalink

If you don't want to vote for Senator O, then don't. The election was fair. HRC lost. People really need to grow up. Let's start putting this country and our problems first for once in our lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 AM on 08/19/2008
- mick7191 I'm a Fan of mick7191 36 fans permalink
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Wouldn't even be a factor had Clinton won those caucuses. Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 08/19/2008
- KPinSEA I'm a Fan of KPinSEA 11 fans permalink

Well, that is why I can't get very worked up about this issue. The view of this particular faction of Senator Clinton's supporters on what is 'fair' is entirely based on expediency: if she won, it was fair, if she didn't, it wasn't.

If Obama showed a sign of campaigning in Florida before Hillary fell behind, it was a shameful violation of the rules agreed to by the DNC ... if Florida's votes weren't counted when she fell behind, adhering to the DNC's ruling was a shameful betrayal of democracy, etc. etc. etc.

An embarrassing moment for America all around, it'll be a great relief when it's behind us, one way or another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 08/19/2008
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sick, sick, SICK of the HRC supporters. I like her, too, but not more than I love my country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Obama's crazy babies are out tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiW7kraoLVg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 08/19/2008

I have always said that,like lepers,every time u give this people a hand shake they want a hug.

Just coming round to that roll call vote thing,means they will come up with another demand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 08/19/2008

So are these people saying Bill C linton and all the others before him were nominated unfairly or illegitimately?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

The caucus system was great back with the Pony Express.
When the party decided for Jerkwater, USA.
C'mon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 08/19/2008

Well, apparently Clinton's gamed the same system and rode the same pony express to the Presidency, twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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I see the issue about the caucus system outside of the Hillary/Barack campaign lens. I think the issue should be taken up *after* the convention -- preferably, well after the election. There's three more years to be thinking about that again, so bringing it up now just politicizes it for the election. Fairness of the caucus system definitely merits discussion -- just, not now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 08/19/2008
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Good point. If it is so important, and I really don't know the answer to that, it can be seriously dealt with in ways that do not influence this election cycle. While not the same, to me is seems very similar to the Michigan/Florida show in that rules may need to be addressed, just not in the middle of the process!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 08/19/2008
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And how many election reforms have we seen? This is an issue that only arises once every 4 years, it's way to easy to have it disappear as people move on from an election until the next one hits.

Also, the convention is about addressing all the needs of the party not just for the nomination of the Presidential Candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 08/19/2008
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you could be a diplomat. I think that's the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

I think that improving the caucuses is more responsible than trying to get rid of them. It was the increased level of participation that harried he system this year. I have pariticipated in caucuses in the past. And frankly I like them because I feel that it is harder to cheat... there are too many witnesses to what has taken place.... you can't rig a caucus. I didn't know they existed until Dennis Kucinich ran for the presidency the first time and he taught people about them. Now Senator Obama has done the same. This is a good thing. I like the visible count. I don't know how we make the primary votes or general election votes fair? I am very concerned about this. I would like ot see us all get involved in getting out the vote and doing what we can to keep it fair and validate it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 08/19/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Boring..let's move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 08/19/2008

How is it that for generations, literally since statehood was ratified for some, the caucus system was a fine and honorable means of selecting the presadent, accepted and honored by all participants. Now that an entitled boomer (osrry for the redundancy) did not get her way this is a problem? If Sen. Clinton had handeled her business correctly and run a compitent campaign instead of awaiting her coronation she very well could have been the presumed nominee - and I will bet everything I own that there would be none of this garbage about caucases being unfair and un democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- PadrePio I'm a Fan of PadrePio 4 fans permalink

I'll assume you are to young and stupid to know people have been complaining about the caucus system since at least 1972. Why don't you cult aide drinkers open a history book. After all you're supposed to be the with it educated creative class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 08/19/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 55 fans permalink
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provide examples and calling someone stupid shows a lak of conviction for your own argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 08/19/2008

I don't think I said anything close to justifying the "cultaid" comment, other than the cold hard fact that HRC lost. It is also a fact that her campaign was a study in poor management, no real message, no real reason to vote for her, at least not until it was too late to be of any pactical use, and not being able to keep discipline in her ranks. Sen. Obama has also make some poor decisions but has also been minding his store. You are correct that caucases have been a point of contention for a while, but they have also been accepted as a systemic fact to be dealt with. Again I state had Sen. Clinton done her job as the candidate, in this case done the propper ground work and organizational outreach in the caucus states things may have been different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 08/19/2008
- mutron I'm a Fan of mutron 3 fans permalink

"too", not "to".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 08/19/2008

What did the "wise" Clinton's do to fix this system when they had the power and the chance ? Now they complain because they lost. Sore losers. You lost. Get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 08/19/2008

Well then you would lose everything you own. Every election even before Clinton people have been complaining about caucuses. I personally do not like them and think we need to get rid of them as actually having anything to do with the voting process. If the people wish to hold them, fine but they should have no affect on the outcome of the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 08/19/2008
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