Caucus Opponents Prepare To Descend On Democratic Convention

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First Posted: 08-18-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 09-18-08 05:12 AM

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Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers of the amendment were told. Nothing if not dedicated, that is precisely what those activists -- most of whom were staunch backers of Sen. Hillary Clinton -- are planning to do.

As it happens, the rules committee's next meeting is set for this Saturday in Denver. Any amendments that are passed from that body -- or that gain enough votes to achieve "minority report" status -- will in turn be reported to the floor of the convention, representing perhaps one of the few legitimately unscripted possibilities of the entire extravaganza.

Bob Remer, a Clinton delegate from Illinois who drafted the failed platform amendment, has more modest goals this time around. Instead of killing off the caucus system altogether via an amendment at the rules committee, he simply hopes to propose the establishment of a "Nomination Voting Rights Commission" that can look into the system's shortcomings going forward. Unlike some anti-caucus activists who appear focused on undermining the legitimacy of Barack Obama's path to the nomination, Remer swears that he simply wants to add fairness and legitimacy to a system that was responsible for so much heartburn this time around.

"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said. "But I want to see a firm commitment to addressing this issue, too. If the party can find a way to protect voting rights within the caucus system, God bless. I don't know how it could be done. And I understand there are costs involved when implementing a primary system [in all states]. But I want the party to commit itself to some basic principles. This isn't about picking on Iowa or Texas or Nevada. This is about respecting the rights of the individual voter."

In an email to anti-caucus activists that was also provided to the Huffington Post, Remer outlines a familiar litany of grievances against the caucus system. "Those of us who vote in primary states are accustomed and fortunate to have the secret ballot, early voting, absentee voting, supervised and protected nursing home absentee voting, absentee ballots for those in military service or overseas, lengthy hours so people who work all shifts can vote, ADA compliant polling places, legal protections against intimidation and coercion in or near the polling place, and many other civil rights and protections under law," Remer wrote. "Under the caucus nomination method these protections do not exist."

To that end, Remer has drafted a proposed amendment that currently reads:

Whereas the Democratic Party is dedicated to strong general election voting rights,


and Whereas the Democratic Party has a strong platform statement (as approved by the Platform Committee) in support of general election voting rights, including passage of the "Count Every Vote Act,"

and Whereas the Democratic party is always committed to, but not limited to, a) the secret ballot, b) ADA disability accessibility for all voters, c) maximizing voter participation in the Democratic Party nomination process, d) and protecting all other voters' rights in the nomination process that are protected in general elections,

Therefore, be it resolved that effective February 2009, the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory for the Democratic Party presidential nomination process to be effective for all nomination activities in advance of the 2012 national convention and general election of 2012, and thereafter. The Commission shall report back to the Democratic National Committee no later than December 2009 with firm recommendations for implementing voters' rights in every state and territory. Under separate resolution the Convention Rules Committee shall promulgate procedures and suggested membership for such a Commission, taking into account representation from voters' rights advocates, caucus states, non caucus states, representatives of the major candidates in the immediate past nomination process, etc.

In his email to supporters, Remer revealed that he hopes to address the rules committee in person -- though if he is denied that opportunity, "we already have a couple of Rules members interested in sponsoring such a resolution. More would be better." According to Remer, of the 191 rules committee members, 87 are identified as committed to Obama, 76 are identified with Clinton, with one for Senator John Edwards and 27 others who hold no designation. "We would like supporters of all the candidates to sponsor this," he wrote, encouraging other anti-caucus activists to contact rules committee members directly in order to lobby for their support.

Since Remer calculates that he will only need the support of 37 committee members to merit a "minority report" that would then be passed on to the convention, he feels fairly confident that he and his allies can reach that threshold. Though he hasn't given up passing the amendment outright, either. "My resolution is not pro-Clinton or anti-Obama or whatever. And it may take a few years to work this out with all the states in terms of transitions. But I know that they [the rules committee] is eager to avoid floor fights [at the convention]."

While the platform committee meeting was organized to process a great number of amendments, the rules committee in Denver could turn out to be a more restricted affair. And while sources close to the DNC are acknowledge the fact that the caucus system needs a careful evaluation before 2012, it's not hard to see why they might seek to avoid kicking off that discussion two days before the start of the 2008 convention. But with some media watchdogs expressing skepticism regarding the news value of an over-scripted convention, the uncertainty of the caucus reform issue could add a welcome dose of suspense.

Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
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- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

You can't lose what you never had.
Obama had one major blue state primary. His home state.
The Clintons had the White House and America on top for eight years.
No thanks to red state caucuses and beltway Democrats.
They had the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 08/19/2008

Now thats what I call unifying a nation. A democrat winning red states,wont u agree? Rather than the pitting of blue states against red states America is becoming so accustomed to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Its what I call disrupting the Democratic primary with antics that deliver nothing in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 08/19/2008
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Uhm, that was a different Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/19/2008

It is interesting that the caucus system was OK for the Clintons when they won the party nomination in the 90s, only no good when they didn't win in 2008. The Clintons encouraged the establishment of super Tuesday since they figured it would take a lot of money to participate and that any challengers would not be able to compete with the Clintons - surprise surprise along came Obama. Doing in the caucus system is just sour grapes on the part of sore loosers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

It would seem here that the only reason (other than beltway "tingle") Obama will be in Denver is Axelrove's abuse of red state caucuses and baseless anti-Clinton propaganda.
Good luck featherweights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 08/19/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 46 fans permalink
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Political manouvers that make a dogs hind leg look straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

The GOP (GOD help us!) got through their primaries without such nonsense as half delegates and the ridiculously laughable caucus system that would make Robert Mugabe proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 08/19/2008

You should have participated in the GOP primaries instead.

Thats why u have multi partism,you dont agree with one,switch to the other.its call having a choice. We dont want every thing to be the same ,do we?

Otherwise what is the point having to be GOP or Dem?

Any way the C lintons are more GOP than Dems,they proved it and boast of it during the primary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 08/19/2008
- Makesense I'm a Fan of Makesense 4 fans permalink

what a bloody a$$hole Hillary is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

The party sure didn't mind dictating rules to huge states important for victory like Florida and Michigan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 34 fans permalink
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what a baby

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Cheez Whiz is in his last desperate days of having anything to post about, once 0bama is the official nominee, he turns back into a mouse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 08/19/2008

Yeah, that worked out well, didn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Two states Obama is guaranteed to lose...I will absolutely love it if he does...pay­back IS a bitch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 08/19/2008

You want to fix the primaries? How about we go to a system of local, state, regional, and finally national primaries that ignore BOTH of our corrupt parties?

Maybe if we removed their evil hand the American People would have a chance to elect somebody who hasn't kissed all the right asses! We may find out that Washington's description of political parties as the "Bane of Democracy" is surprisingly accurate today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 08/19/2008

Primary contests are set up and run by the state, does the democratic party think they can dictate the rules to them?

By what authority? Or are they just going to tell caucus states to forget about having a voice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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That's the point, isn't it? In a quest to strategically protect a 2012 run by Hlllary, ruling against caucuses would in fact eliminate some of the 50 states from participating in the Democratic Primary since many states can't afford full blown primaries.

How is that accomplishing the alleged motivation of these H supporters, having a more democratic process?

It will never fly, this is just more weight being thrown around by petulant H supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/19/2008

I'm not at all convinced they are Hillary supporters, I think they're, to steal a phrase, dead enders, from operation chaos who havent gotten the memo to switch back to their own party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Oh what BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 08/19/2008

You do realize that the parties do pay for most of the primaries in this country, do you not? So it would eliminate nothing. It would fly and it has nothing to do H R C shame you are too blinded by hate to see that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

You are correct. This is not something that can be dictated. We are a union of states. LOL* Dang......­.

Feinstein is right. This is a political process. Let's work it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

No need for idiotic caucus system...R­equiescat NON in pace....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

I have tickets for the Rockies game at Coors Field that night.
Does Obama speak postgame, or will I find an Obama fanatic in my seat after the seventh inning stretch?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 34 fans permalink
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dude , i think you bought bogus tickets.
this just hasn't been your year has it ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

He'll be speaking out of his Volvo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 08/19/2008
- Bluesue I'm a Fan of Bluesue 21 fans permalink

The party pays the expenses of a caucus. The state taxpayers pay the expenses of an election.

Do those states that hold caucuses want to assume the expenses of an election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Like Cook County, Illinois.
Love the excuses for crooked politics here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 08/19/2008

Suppose we really cut through the fog, within a narrow set of DNC rules the State Parties own their Primary elections, period. The only leverage held by State Legislatures regards funding of those elections. If the DNC forced caucuses out somebody would have to finance the balloted primaries, and those State Parties do not have the money and neither does DNC. So, where are the bucks to come from?

This is an abortion of an idea, and appropriately enough, Hillbot idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 08/19/2008
- Roci I'm a Fan of Roci permalink

Ok, let's cut thru some of this "Fog."

1. HRC will not be the Veep, nor has she the slightest chance of being the nominee.
2. Anyone who thinks that Democratic "super delegates" are "super stupid" enough to throw away the biggest political money machine ever need to re-take a basic PolySci class, real quick. HRC went to Obama for campaign debt help, remember? There was a reason that even HRC supporters cannot ignore-MONEY!
3. Working under the logical absurdity that the Convention Delegates were in fact pumped full of "stupid" gas instead of Helium from all those balloons, ask yourself what would happen to them personally and politically when the convention was over? They would not be safe going home to their own states, and would have to spend the rest of FOREVER dodging Obama supporters who would want nothing but UGLY amounts of payback, personal and political.
Roci

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Democratic "super delegates" are "super stupid" enough to throw away the biggest political money machine ever...

Why do these Obamabots stick to this tired, discredited meme?
Obama got his cash from ADM, Trial lawyers on Wall Street, the crooks from Chicago who made him, the coal industry and the telecoms. Don't ever fool yourself that his money wasn't more tainted than the Chicago River.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 08/19/2008

All of you Clintonites that are hell bent on voting for McCain, go ahead. He already stated in the "faith forum" that he will have policies against abortions when he is President. And all so called, Conservative Republicans, have been getting their teenagers "private" abortions for decades.

All of these racist evangelical Republicans, what do you think they WOULD do if their teenage daughter got pregnant by a black youth.....­.RIGHT, ABORTION. Or if their wife or girlfriend got brutually raped....r­ight ABORTION..­. They talked this crap about Pro-life, until it effect them personally. All their rich Doctor friends can do job and no one is the wiser.

WAKE UP AND THE HORSE MANEURE!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 08/19/2008

I don't see what would be wrong with adopting this proposal at the convention, but there would be NO problem if the wording were changed in the following:

"the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory".

Just replace "determine how ... can" with "determine whether ... should ... and if so, how."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I haven't read up on this, but I know Feinstein is heading up a commission on the process. She's trying to hold it off until after the convention, but the heat is on.

I personally think she's right. She'll do a good job, and from what I've read (superficial so far), her vision is quite a lot more far-reaching, which is good.

We need some uniformity. Obviously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 08/19/2008

Somebody file a missing persons. Puma Ann is gone and has been replaced by an impostor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 08/19/2008

The problem is that that is a right specifically given to the states in the U.S. Constitution, which gives absolutely no power to political parties.

The bigger problem is that we have two political parties who have a complete straglehold on our Democracy. A condition George Washington foresaw and warned us of. They have split us into two minority groups who spew venom and lies, and a large majority left to try to sort through the BS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 08/19/2008
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