Caucus Opponents Prepare To Descend On Democratic Convention

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First Posted: 08-18-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 09-18-08 05:12 AM

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Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers of the amendment were told. Nothing if not dedicated, that is precisely what those activists -- most of whom were staunch backers of Sen. Hillary Clinton -- are planning to do.

As it happens, the rules committee's next meeting is set for this Saturday in Denver. Any amendments that are passed from that body -- or that gain enough votes to achieve "minority report" status -- will in turn be reported to the floor of the convention, representing perhaps one of the few legitimately unscripted possibilities of the entire extravaganza.

Bob Remer, a Clinton delegate from Illinois who drafted the failed platform amendment, has more modest goals this time around. Instead of killing off the caucus system altogether via an amendment at the rules committee, he simply hopes to propose the establishment of a "Nomination Voting Rights Commission" that can look into the system's shortcomings going forward. Unlike some anti-caucus activists who appear focused on undermining the legitimacy of Barack Obama's path to the nomination, Remer swears that he simply wants to add fairness and legitimacy to a system that was responsible for so much heartburn this time around.

"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said. "But I want to see a firm commitment to addressing this issue, too. If the party can find a way to protect voting rights within the caucus system, God bless. I don't know how it could be done. And I understand there are costs involved when implementing a primary system [in all states]. But I want the party to commit itself to some basic principles. This isn't about picking on Iowa or Texas or Nevada. This is about respecting the rights of the individual voter."

In an email to anti-caucus activists that was also provided to the Huffington Post, Remer outlines a familiar litany of grievances against the caucus system. "Those of us who vote in primary states are accustomed and fortunate to have the secret ballot, early voting, absentee voting, supervised and protected nursing home absentee voting, absentee ballots for those in military service or overseas, lengthy hours so people who work all shifts can vote, ADA compliant polling places, legal protections against intimidation and coercion in or near the polling place, and many other civil rights and protections under law," Remer wrote. "Under the caucus nomination method these protections do not exist."

To that end, Remer has drafted a proposed amendment that currently reads:

Whereas the Democratic Party is dedicated to strong general election voting rights,


and Whereas the Democratic Party has a strong platform statement (as approved by the Platform Committee) in support of general election voting rights, including passage of the "Count Every Vote Act,"

and Whereas the Democratic party is always committed to, but not limited to, a) the secret ballot, b) ADA disability accessibility for all voters, c) maximizing voter participation in the Democratic Party nomination process, d) and protecting all other voters' rights in the nomination process that are protected in general elections,

Therefore, be it resolved that effective February 2009, the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory for the Democratic Party presidential nomination process to be effective for all nomination activities in advance of the 2012 national convention and general election of 2012, and thereafter. The Commission shall report back to the Democratic National Committee no later than December 2009 with firm recommendations for implementing voters' rights in every state and territory. Under separate resolution the Convention Rules Committee shall promulgate procedures and suggested membership for such a Commission, taking into account representation from voters' rights advocates, caucus states, non caucus states, representatives of the major candidates in the immediate past nomination process, etc.

In his email to supporters, Remer revealed that he hopes to address the rules committee in person -- though if he is denied that opportunity, "we already have a couple of Rules members interested in sponsoring such a resolution. More would be better." According to Remer, of the 191 rules committee members, 87 are identified as committed to Obama, 76 are identified with Clinton, with one for Senator John Edwards and 27 others who hold no designation. "We would like supporters of all the candidates to sponsor this," he wrote, encouraging other anti-caucus activists to contact rules committee members directly in order to lobby for their support.

Since Remer calculates that he will only need the support of 37 committee members to merit a "minority report" that would then be passed on to the convention, he feels fairly confident that he and his allies can reach that threshold. Though he hasn't given up passing the amendment outright, either. "My resolution is not pro-Clinton or anti-Obama or whatever. And it may take a few years to work this out with all the states in terms of transitions. But I know that they [the rules committee] is eager to avoid floor fights [at the convention]."

While the platform committee meeting was organized to process a great number of amendments, the rules committee in Denver could turn out to be a more restricted affair. And while sources close to the DNC are acknowledge the fact that the caucus system needs a careful evaluation before 2012, it's not hard to see why they might seek to avoid kicking off that discussion two days before the start of the 2008 convention. But with some media watchdogs expressing skepticism regarding the news value of an over-scripted convention, the uncertainty of the caucus reform issue could add a welcome dose of suspense.

Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
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I am S-I-C-K and T-I-R-E-D of Hill and her supporters. If you're not voting for O that's fine but, stop being a bunch of whiners!

She lost...in more ways than she knows! She has ruined her career or should I say her supporters have ruined her career for her. If O doesn't win this election her political career will be over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 08/19/2008

You mean when Barry O does NOT win in November. Voters--pa­rticularly those in his own party-- are finally starting to realize that his message of hope and change is vapid. Let's chant the messiah's message:

Because we can only hope for change because change happens all the time and today is different from yesterday because it changed and tomorrow will change too or we hope it will. But we have to make sure that future generations change and we will continue to hope for change because change is good and change is our only hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 08/19/2008
- BetterDays I'm a Fan of BetterDays 33 fans permalink
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No, let's chant McCain's messge:

Big oil rules, the rich get richer, war, war and more war, non-existent diplomacy, decreasing respect across the globe for the US, etc.

Need we chant more? I'll take the Messiah's message any day, AlexisAshley!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 08/19/2008

HAHA that sounds more like Mccain's and Graham's message...­"it's all in your head...whi­ners"....h­aha ironic how this comment fits MCcain more than Obama...LO­ve it...Let's drill for oil because in ten years our "hope" is to trust the oil companies.­.yet not tax their record profits...­Let's "hope" we win the war in Iraq but I thought Bush announced tht we had already won...Acco­rding to MCcain who supports this war he will be different than Bush because he plans on winning the war in Iraq...des­troying Iran..and now Russia...d­ang that all sounds like wishes, dreams, "hopes", and Obama's hope is to unify our battered nation...m­ake this nation better for the younger genertion.­.save our detoriated armed forces by talking reasonably with other nations first before sending our men and women to die...Obam­a wants to get past the "I have no ideas on how to change the country so I'm going destroy you by attacking your life, your color...yo­ur wife..and "hope" the Americn people don't look past that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 33 fans permalink
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yeah because your message of pastel pant suits for everyone is such a winner

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 08/19/2008
- Knowitall I'm a Fan of Knowitall 74 fans permalink

Alexis--You get it! Yes, "Change IS good and Change is our only hope." Noone could have said it better. I hope then that this means you're voting for Obama's change and not the stale old conservative policies of McCain and Bush.

Unlike most conservatives, you seem to realize that "conservative" means maintaining the status quo. That's why I'm going to pass on your phrase to the Obama campaign "Change is Good and Change is our only Hope." I like that. It could be the winning message. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- granamica I'm a Fan of granamica 5 fans permalink

Worse, feminism and misogyny are two of the most abused words in the English language. We now will have nothing to use when real women aren't getting paid enough or when they don't make middle management that will save their homes from foreclosure. Stupid women have slammed the rest of us against the wall because their "girl" didn't make it. I see older angry white women and want to spit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/19/2008

Oh, enough, ENOUGH with blaming and generalizations of HRC voters. You only sound dreadfully uninformed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Hmmmm*....­....try anger management?

Now, I'm analytical. but the way I see the world?

There are those of you who are perpectually angry. You move the target. Then there are others who honestly get riled over issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 08/19/2008

First off, if we take your advise and not vote for O, he will N-E-V-E-R win the general.

Second, the only people who's career is doomed is P elosi and D ean as they will be purged from the party after throwing away the biggest cakewalk in Democratic history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 33 fans permalink
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Sign up here for the PUMA suicide pact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Don't make any threats...­Obama and his band of miscreant supporters are in no position to dictate anything to anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 250 fans permalink
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On what authority do you speak?

Or is this just our of your a$$?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 08/19/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 59 fans permalink

If Obama loses, his political career will be over. Do you really think he'd bother to stay in the Senate 20 years like a Ted Kennedy to do what he says he believes in. No way. He'll leave the Senate and get a nice paying job with a law firm or something. Can you say 'flash in the pan'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- zull2 I'm a Fan of zull2 38 fans permalink
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The obvious question here is, if Hillary had WON the caucuses, would they be still be opponents of them? Would they still "descend" upon the convention and protest?

If they can honestly say "No, we would have no problem with caucuses if Hillary had won", then they're hypocritical, whining, unsportsmanlike babies. If they still had a problem with those caucuses even if Hillary would have won, then they'd be either stupid or insane. They weren't complaining about the caucuses in 2007, so it's pretty doubtful that they'd be "principled".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 08/19/2008
- BetterDays I'm a Fan of BetterDays 33 fans permalink
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Did anyone in her campaign ever bring up problems with caususes prior to the start of the primary? No. If the caucuses were SOOOOOO troublesome, why weren't these issues brought forward prior to the primary? We all know the answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 08/19/2008

This is exactly the right point! It drives me crazy with the stuff on caucuses and with Michigan/florida! People forget or ignore that Hillary's people were involved in all these topics prior to the primaries!!!! Ickes was actually one of the main people involved in Florida/Michigan and agreed to deny them delegates!!! It is complete revisionist history. Hillary did give a rat's ass to any of these issues prior to the primaries. When will her supporters realize the complete hypocrisy of all this? The irony is rich especially when Obama had very little to do with any of these because at the time his political clout was practically nil. Remember Hillary was inevitable and up by 30 or more points over every other candidate. These rules were just as much her fault as Dean's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 08/19/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 250 fans permalink
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Caucuses are a problem because Hill did not win them, because she didn't think she had to. She lost, so someone must be to blame(can't be her and her incompetent staff- )

So ergo it must be the caucus system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I sure will send my agreement on this issue. The party needs to address the primary issues, outside of the overly hot primary race.

It was, indeed, a huge mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

The worst problem is Republicans tampering with Democratic primaries by voting in them.

Got a problem with that Annie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Not really. The stories I followed was that the percentage of cross-over voting was par for the course.

I think Rush just made hay on his program suggesting he was causing trouble. I don't think he really did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

A real Democratic party frontrunner doesn't worry about caucus states cause they vote red anyway. And it was Axelrod who ran "Vote Obama for a day" ads aimed at Republicans in primary states to screw Hillary. It didn't work.
Look it all up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Uh, another myth...the Repubs had very little impact on the primary process...­when they did vote, it was for OBAMA, not as you fools try to imagine that it was for Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 08/19/2008

If the caucus system was such a problem in the past, why didn't Bill Clinton resolve it when he was leader of the democratic party and president for eight years.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Because he WON caucuses. If Hlllary supporters want to keep their dream alive of Hlllary running in 2012, they have to eliminate the path any challenger could take to defeat her as 0bama did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 08/19/2008
- rooks I'm a Fan of rooks 29 fans permalink
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Stop using LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

rooks.....­..sorry...­....it's a horrible typing habit of mine. I know it annoys. Yet it comes out.

I'm honestly communicating enjoyment when I do it.

But....I know......­it's annoying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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What's less democratic?

Caucuses or Super Delegates?

Why aren't all these Hllary supporters who are allegedly so concerned about democracy in the primaries pouring their energy instead into eliminating Super Delegates?

It's almost as if they don't really care about democracy but really just want a clear path for their fantasy of Hlllary running for president in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Why don't they care that Republicans voted in Democratic primaries for the sole purpose of tampering with our electoral process?

Close the primaries to Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Difficult to do though when Repuggs can change to Dem for the primaries and back again.

Maybe no Repuggs in open primaries and a restriction on those changing affiliation within 90 days of a primary? Would've disarmed Operation Chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 08/19/2008
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I think that is the biggest thing to be addressed, But I have yet to think of a fail safe. A person could still register as one a member of one party, and select the other in the GE. It seems that most Reps do not really care who is their candidate, but care more about defeating the Dem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Both, frankly. LOL* The SDs have never really been important. This is the first time there were two candidates neck-and-neck, and they had to decide.

A lot of them were pretty good about how they handled it, I thought. They were politically savvy, in other words.

Others? omigosh...­....not good.

The system is pretty darn weird, though, even with good ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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As stunned as i am to say this, for the first time I agree with something you posted, Super Delegates are anti-democratic and should be eliminated.

However, back to our usual positions, your complaints about caucuses, like Hlllary's, did not come when BiII won them, only after Hlllary lost them. The "coincidence" is not lost on most of us.

All states can't afford primaries, if you really want to damage democracy, take away the only way many states can afford to participate in the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Caucuses, hands down...

Shouting down those who disagree with you, no secret ballot, intimidating voters, not making voting easy for older or nightshift workers, shall we go on?

When any of you idiots try to justify the caucus debacle, know what you are talking about rather than spouting tripe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 8 fans permalink

You've never been to a caucus before, have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 08/19/2008

So they want to end caucuses -- give me a break, with all the voting machine problems and evidence that Fl was rigged for Bush you'd think they would have other priorities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

The caucuses were about as legit as Mugabe's election in Zimbabwe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- ruscle I'm a Fan of ruscle 2 fans permalink

Look, If Hillary supporters think they can nominate Hillary over Obama... and then win the election..­. they are nuts. I don't think even Hillary is egomaniacal enough to think that would work. She wants to win. But that way... it's a sure loss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 08/19/2008
- lboucher I'm a Fan of lboucher 2 fans permalink

Go to RCP and look at the averages in swing states:

Colorado 45.3 45.8 McCain +0.9
Virginia 45.7 46.3 McCain +0.8
Missouri 45.0 47.3 McCain +2.3
Michigan 46.0 42.8 Obama +2.2
Ohio 45.3 46.8 McCain +1.5
Florida 45.4 47.2 McCain +1.8

Obama better pick Hillary quick or he will lose in November. He is slipping fast!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 08/19/2008
- uclafan I'm a Fan of uclafan 16 fans permalink
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I'm sure he'll make the right strategic choice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

LOL*......­..OK, now I can but you guys as usual.

Right/Wright choice? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Get back to me after the convention next week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

The Republicans are hoping he will pick Hillary!

They are still sorely disappointed they don't get to run against her.

Why do Republicans want her so badly???????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 08/19/2008

Republicans didn't even care about having McCain as their nominee. They know he is a poor choice but they had a plan of attack for the Clintons. Obama got in their way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

That's rather stupid thinking. If he picked her, the Dems would absolutely march into the white house and clean his clock.

He just isn't able to make that call. He doesn't want to win it that badly. LOL* He can't stand the Clintons, no matter how nice he's being right now.

He'd rather risk losing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Hillary was right all along...th­e Clintons may have not been able to convince the loony elements that turned out in the primaries and Zimbabwe caucuses, but they know their sh--. When Obama loses, you idiots better bow down and lick their feet, every last one of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- bluesman49 I'm a Fan of bluesman49 61 fans permalink
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Mr. Remer, you don't seem to get it. The rules were clear when your candidate entered the nomination process consisting of both primaries and caucuses. The rules were in place. They were clear. Your candidate was out maneuvered and she lost fair and square. Obama ran a better campaign. He's a stronger candidate. He's not a spouse of a famous president. He can think on his own. He is our hope for a better future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

And you are delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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again that would be you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 AM on 08/19/2008

Why no interest in this last year?

Why is it suddenly so important IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION?

Hmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I think the caucuses have never been a big deal because nobody went. LOL* This year, we're victims of our success! And clearly, the system wasn't prepared.

Good news/bad news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 08/19/2008
- Bluesue I'm a Fan of Bluesue 21 fans permalink

I don't understand why caucuses weren't a problem for the Hillary campaign and her supporters until Hillary lost them. She lost them because she didn't organize to win them. It isn't like caucuses are some new thing.

Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have been the first major electoral event of the nominating process for President of the United States.

If Hillary won the cauuses, her campaign and supporters wouldn't be saying a word about them. Now they're so important that they're going to jeopardize the election since the media will be all about the problems in the Democratic Party.

So shortsighted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

The Zimbabwe caucuses go...Perio­d.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 08/19/2008

You have to admit that times have changed and old style primary systems could use some improvement. All parts of our nomination and general election process are, to put it mildly, kind of crazy. Different rules in different parties and different states. How about cleaning up the whole system into some kind of standardized process with the same balloting systems? All Americans should want is to have the same chance to vote for the people of your choice to fill the various positions? Isn't that what it is all about? How many of us are in doubt that our ballots are even counted? The current process doesn't serve the need. It is complicated to allow individuals to twist the result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 08/19/2008
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Uh, shouldn't we make all of these great changes you propose AFTER the November election? Why unnecessarily raise these issues now when the Democratic party isn't completely unified, Obama's lead in the polls is relatively slim, and bitter Hillary dead-enders are trying to sink Obama's campaign to prove a point? There's plenty of time after November 4!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/19/2008
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Caucuses have been used in this nation, before it was a nation. It seems that [people who have never been involved with the caucuses are the ones who want to end them. Those who are used to the caucus process are energized by them.

I see this as just another way to whine. So when Bill Clinton won the caucuses did people want to end them then? Caucuses have been around since the very early 1700's. They are part of our heritage and completely up to the states. You want to make those kinds of chnges, go to the states that have them. They are not up to the rules committee or the DNC.
Sour Grapes .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Yes, well you probably weren't locked out of your caucus, then. Or screamed at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Antiquated and hopelessly undemocrat­ic...not in any way useful to a modern world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

There are two problems that this protracted ugly primary highlighted:

1. Republicans should not be able to vote in Democratic primaries because their intent is to tamper with our elections for their own party's benefit.

2. Superdelegates can use their position for their own political ends or can be vulnerable to pressure - because most of them are active politicians.

Close the primaries. Get rid of superdelegates.

Then address Republican election stealing and Diebold's tampering.

Caucuses are not the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I don't think you'll ever get Dems to close the primaries. We consider that voter suppression and are, generally, against that in principle.

Anyone is welcome to change party affiliations, in other words, at any point for any reason.

We're not into the Republican closed primary system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 08/19/2008

Hmmm, if a caucus is the preferred method of selection in a particular State, shouldn't these "Anti-Caucus Activist" start moving enmass to those States where Caucuses are held and have their State Legislators change that States Laws?

Let's just say that they are able to get a change pushed through the Rules Committee. What are they going to do when Iowa tells them to stick it up their behinds, because Iowans have caucused their Primaries since McCain was in diapers...­and you know that means forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Simple: IOWA ends its caucus system or gets put DEAD last in the season...t­hat will shut up those losers who never decide an election anyway!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Folks, chill out about Hlllary.

Within 2-4 days will have our VP announced, in a week the convention will be under way, in 8 days 0bama will be the official nominee of the unified Democratic Party and press about Hlllary and BiII, other than where they're appearing to stump for 0bama, will disappear from the press.

Only 8 days left folks. Don't worry, be happy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

That's what I say. Hill will not be a story as soon as the convention is over. The only reason I see that the stories always fire up over her supporters, what we thought, etc., is because we're a big voter bloc. That's all.

As soon as the convention is over, Hill is just going to be a very powerful senator again.

I do think everyone misses the excitement. However, I think we were ALL worn out by it, too.

Good thing that someone actually wins, or we'd all die of strokes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

When Obama gets trounced because of stupid caucuses, I will be happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 08/19/2008

I am so sick of the name of Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. I have never been so turned-off in all of my years. To think I voted for Bill twice and defended him during the time his immoral actions..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

You never defended him...who are you kidding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 08/19/2008
- Janel I'm a Fan of Janel 5 fans permalink

Come on, folks!

If the Clinton's try to steal the nomination, this will be the end of their political careers for both of them.

Hillary didn't win the nomination. People across the world are excited about Obama. If somehow the Clinton supporters disrupt the Democratic convention, this will be a victory for the McCain campaign. I can't imagine a worse nightmare.

The sad reality is if this happens, the Clinton's can kiss their legacy goodbye!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/19/2008

"The sad reality is if this happens, the Clinton's can kiss their legacy goodbye!"

It's not just their legacy in jeopardy, Hill's Senate seat will be in jeopardy as well. I am not a bitter person by nature but I'm truly FEED UP with the Clinton's, their tactics and they trouble makers who want to ruin what should be an historic exciting moment. They ruined the day O clinched the nomination, and now their HELL bent on ruining the convention. Instead of looking forward to the convention I have a pit in my stomach. If this convention turns into a drama and total disrespect for O, I'm holding the Clinton's responsible and work hard to make sure Hill never sees her Senate seat again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 68 fans permalink
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Well stated. I feel your pain, and millions of others feel the same way too.. I would move to NY, just to make sure I could be a part of an organized effort to defeat her. That's not a vendetta, that a fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Sorry...Ob­ama is a mere playtoy in this process...­he and his sorry a-- fans will be shown the door...BLI­SS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 08/19/2008
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