Caucus Opponents Prepare To Descend On Democratic Convention

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First Posted: 08-18-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 09-18-08 05:12 AM

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Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers of the amendment were told. Nothing if not dedicated, that is precisely what those activists -- most of whom were staunch backers of Sen. Hillary Clinton -- are planning to do.

As it happens, the rules committee's next meeting is set for this Saturday in Denver. Any amendments that are passed from that body -- or that gain enough votes to achieve "minority report" status -- will in turn be reported to the floor of the convention, representing perhaps one of the few legitimately unscripted possibilities of the entire extravaganza.

Bob Remer, a Clinton delegate from Illinois who drafted the failed platform amendment, has more modest goals this time around. Instead of killing off the caucus system altogether via an amendment at the rules committee, he simply hopes to propose the establishment of a "Nomination Voting Rights Commission" that can look into the system's shortcomings going forward. Unlike some anti-caucus activists who appear focused on undermining the legitimacy of Barack Obama's path to the nomination, Remer swears that he simply wants to add fairness and legitimacy to a system that was responsible for so much heartburn this time around.

"We need to win the White House, and increase our margins in Congress, that's on the front burner," Remer said. "But I want to see a firm commitment to addressing this issue, too. If the party can find a way to protect voting rights within the caucus system, God bless. I don't know how it could be done. And I understand there are costs involved when implementing a primary system [in all states]. But I want the party to commit itself to some basic principles. This isn't about picking on Iowa or Texas or Nevada. This is about respecting the rights of the individual voter."

In an email to anti-caucus activists that was also provided to the Huffington Post, Remer outlines a familiar litany of grievances against the caucus system. "Those of us who vote in primary states are accustomed and fortunate to have the secret ballot, early voting, absentee voting, supervised and protected nursing home absentee voting, absentee ballots for those in military service or overseas, lengthy hours so people who work all shifts can vote, ADA compliant polling places, legal protections against intimidation and coercion in or near the polling place, and many other civil rights and protections under law," Remer wrote. "Under the caucus nomination method these protections do not exist."

To that end, Remer has drafted a proposed amendment that currently reads:

Whereas the Democratic Party is dedicated to strong general election voting rights,


and Whereas the Democratic Party has a strong platform statement (as approved by the Platform Committee) in support of general election voting rights, including passage of the "Count Every Vote Act,"

and Whereas the Democratic party is always committed to, but not limited to, a) the secret ballot, b) ADA disability accessibility for all voters, c) maximizing voter participation in the Democratic Party nomination process, d) and protecting all other voters' rights in the nomination process that are protected in general elections,

Therefore, be it resolved that effective February 2009, the Democratic National Committee will appoint a Nomination Voting Rights Commission, with the charge to determine how the secret ballot and all other general election democratic voting rights can be applied to every state and territory for the Democratic Party presidential nomination process to be effective for all nomination activities in advance of the 2012 national convention and general election of 2012, and thereafter. The Commission shall report back to the Democratic National Committee no later than December 2009 with firm recommendations for implementing voters' rights in every state and territory. Under separate resolution the Convention Rules Committee shall promulgate procedures and suggested membership for such a Commission, taking into account representation from voters' rights advocates, caucus states, non caucus states, representatives of the major candidates in the immediate past nomination process, etc.

In his email to supporters, Remer revealed that he hopes to address the rules committee in person -- though if he is denied that opportunity, "we already have a couple of Rules members interested in sponsoring such a resolution. More would be better." According to Remer, of the 191 rules committee members, 87 are identified as committed to Obama, 76 are identified with Clinton, with one for Senator John Edwards and 27 others who hold no designation. "We would like supporters of all the candidates to sponsor this," he wrote, encouraging other anti-caucus activists to contact rules committee members directly in order to lobby for their support.

Since Remer calculates that he will only need the support of 37 committee members to merit a "minority report" that would then be passed on to the convention, he feels fairly confident that he and his allies can reach that threshold. Though he hasn't given up passing the amendment outright, either. "My resolution is not pro-Clinton or anti-Obama or whatever. And it may take a few years to work this out with all the states in terms of transitions. But I know that they [the rules committee] is eager to avoid floor fights [at the convention]."

While the platform committee meeting was organized to process a great number of amendments, the rules committee in Denver could turn out to be a more restricted affair. And while sources close to the DNC are acknowledge the fact that the caucus system needs a careful evaluation before 2012, it's not hard to see why they might seek to avoid kicking off that discussion two days before the start of the 2008 convention. But with some media watchdogs expressing skepticism regarding the news value of an over-scripted convention, the uncertainty of the caucus reform issue could add a welcome dose of suspense.

Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
Two weekends ago, an amendment that would have banned all caucuses from future Democratic nominating contests was rejected at a DNC platform committee meeting. Take it to the rules committee, backers ...
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- foolchild0 I'm a Fan of foolchild0 5 fans permalink

Translation: "Bitter Hillary Supporters Will Make As Much Trouble as Possible."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 08/19/2008

Bittersweet and we will not back down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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it's your future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 08/19/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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You are irrelevant after the 28th, all your threats and bluster will be ignored. 0bama will be the official nominee and the few loons like you who inflate their importance and vote based on vengeance will be left behind with the Repuggs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

You are a neocon then.

Your actions make you one.

You cannot claim to be a Democrat while voting for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 08/19/2008
- knerd I'm a Fan of knerd 20 fans permalink
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Not wanting to back down is laudable. Making as much trouble as possible is--pure and simple--a juvenile tantrum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/19/2008

We'll see how sweet it is when you're girl exits the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 08/19/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Let's hope its the final whine of the seemingly never-ending collective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/19/2008

No it will continue....
You can count on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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only because you listen follow rush limbaugh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

It's going to be a very long 8 years for you.

Enjoy your acting out at the convention. It'll be your first and only blast, lame though it will be.

We know there are not as many of you as you pretend. $50,000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 08/19/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 165 fans permalink
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Newsflash! The Clintonistas are poor losers and turned out to be bad Democrats. They are just trouble makers, much like Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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they ARE republicans .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/19/2008
- 67yrolfe I'm a Fan of 67yrolfe 8 fans permalink
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Hillary Clinton could put a stop to all this nonsense IMMEDIATELY if she wanted to. This BS that she can't control her supporters is just that! All she needs to do is call a press conference or two NOW and make strong statements telling her supporters to knock it off. She could use her, "Shame on you" line on them. Now that would make headlines that the MSM would cover. Making a couple campaign speeches for Obama (if she actually has) is not good enough and why hasn't the MSM run clips of those speeches? Sorry, I don't believe the BS that she is "working her heart out for Obama". Because neither she nor the corporate MSM want Obama to be POTUS. She, Bill and Chelsea could still have their ego trip in the lights at the convention in support of Obama and there would be no doubt in anyone's mind that they are really supporting him. But don't hold your breath for her to do the right thing. She wants power and she loves drama! This caucus nonsense doesn't have to be done at the convention either. The party has four years to change it, if it needs changing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/19/2008

Olivia
I have been coming to read at Huffington for a very long time. 9 mill of Hillary voters said in a poll they will not vote for McCain. We are all over. And many of us do happen to be liberal progressives although you choose not to believe it, it does not make it any less true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

If you vote for McCain, you are not a liberal, progressive or Democrat. Not in that moment you are not.

You see, if you are any of those things, you don't support the neocons. Support a neocon, you are one.

Maybe you WERE a liberal, progressive, Democrat. If you're supporting McCain, you're not anymore.

Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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Actually, if you are voting for McCain just to vote against Obama, you need a brain scan.

To actually think of subjecting all Americans to four more years of this crap because of a vendetta?? Very, very sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 08/19/2008

America is not killing Iraq people. They kill each other. The goverment there is trying to work with America to bring security to people there. It is not so easy to just leave. Now Iraq will have money, maybe they can pay for more. Anyway I am American first and I really believe deep down McCain will be better for us than Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 08/19/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 68 fans permalink
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Now that is what I call a real "Breakdown".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/19/2008

I think what she's saying is that Hillary Clinton's supporters are over it and are backing Obama as THEY ARE PROGRESSIVES.

Read, people read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 08/19/2008
- DB55 I'm a Fan of DB55 5 fans permalink

A poll of 9 million people, eh orangepetal?? I don't think so!! And no liberal progressive would would vote for a guy like McCain who doesn't have a liberal progressive bone in his body. Good try, Republitroll, but we ain't buying!

Just remember, McCain believe that life begins at conception - if that became the law of the land then any woman taking a morning-after pill could be legitimately prosecuted for murder! Hopefully all Hillary supporters will see this. Given the potential to create a right-wing court for a generation, this is the highest stake election I can remember in 36 years. We need to pull out all the stops for Obama, and that includes a UNIFIED convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 08/19/2008
- on2them I'm a Fan of on2them 23 fans permalink
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all of you republicans get off on your own stank. Make your res for the rethug convention, only democrats are invited to ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Your "small tent" attitude is part of the problem.

The voters will, indeed, not join you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 08/19/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Traditional Democrats stunned me in the Potomac blow-out. Nobody reported it. But the stats were right there.

6 out of 10 registered Democrats said, "I'll probably vote for Mac, if Hill isn't the candidate."

Right then, I knew we were in for a horrible, horrible Democratic fight.

The press ignored those messages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Clinton, Gore, and Kerry didn't need to arrange peculiar wins in a string of caucuses in red states that will never go Democrat in November to be nominated.
Thanks to Dean, Donna, and Axelrove - "caucuses" have become a serious issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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thanks to the clinton campaign's failure to study the rules and plan and organize for them,we now have the best nominee for the party ,instead of the "next in line for the throne".you're not very smart for a 'whizkid'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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Well said!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

coin
Your man organized to break the rules.
The point of this action and the flaw with caucuses.
By the way chuck (below), Hillary did win the NY primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

She not only knew the rules, she pledged to uphold them in September 2007 - publicly and in writing.

She only changed her mind after she lost Super Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 08/19/2008

I know, what gives with this backdoor shananagins, bizarre. They want to get power on the backs of the others. This is also the strategy for the genral. Weird, although it is effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

You do realize, don't you, that Hillary pledged to uphold the DNC rules regarding the primary election dates, including the penalty for violating those rules which was total disenfranchisement of a violating state? You realize, don't you, that she made that pledge, in writing, signed, in public, in September 2007, before MI and FL voted?

Do you need me to paste that pledge of hers here, or can you Google it up yourself?

What does that make her? A liar, a flip flopper, or both?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

The power comes from the voters.

There were more of us.

Accept it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

P.S.

If the DNC rules committee had unfairly given Hillary EVERYTHING she wanted in FL and MI, Obama was still ahead in delegates.

It's just a lie that the DNC ruling made the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

How about that Operation Chaos, with Republicans crossing over to tamper in Democratic primaries? Is that acceptable in your definition of democracy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/19/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 68 fans permalink
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Losers and Repbublics have made caucuses a serious issue. What are you so afraid of? Have you ever been to one?

I was really trying to figure you out, and I guess I wasn't paying really close attention because I just moved in the neighborhood, but I now know you are definitely not a Real Democrat. Real Democrats don't use the terminology "will never go Democrat",. The correct terminology is "Democratic".

Goodnight FAKE TALKER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Not so.
There are Democrats and Republicans.
Depends on context junior.
To say Democratic Party is where the extra sylable comes in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 08/19/2008
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Obama won the nomination because he had a plan, and he executed that plan perfectly. If there had been no caucuses, he still would have won, because he would have perfectly executed a different plan. Everyone knew the rules; only Obama mastered them.

Hillary never had a plan, or at least one that included caucus states. She and her campaign didn't see the forest for the trees, which is why she lost the nomination, despite starting the race with every possible institutional advantage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 08/19/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 68 fans permalink
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Absolutely.
Write On!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 08/19/2008
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Well said. Spot On!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Exactly, great post.

It says much about her character that she cannot admit any fault or shortcoming in herself or her campaign.

Gotta blame everyone else: the system, the party, the DNC rules committee, the opponent, the media, sexism...

The buck does not stop with Hillary.

NOT. PRESIDENTIAL. MATERIAL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 08/19/2008

Pathetic. Please, New York, primary your senator next time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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that's fine .if you're not happy with the rules then change them legally,'before' crying foul,in the middle of the process.the complaints are not good for this year's election,but,apparently some would like to 'skirt' the rules or be upset about them only because they lost.we are a nation of laws and rules,and to maintain some kind of 'working' order,we must commit to following the rules as they stand until they are changed.sorry hillary's.you should have made your greivances with the system known ,before hand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 08/19/2008
- Meggie I'm a Fan of Meggie 94 fans permalink
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And the Clintons won't be able to get elected to dog catcher anywhere in this country.
Keep it up dearie. I'll help fund ANYONE running against you in NY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/19/2008
- Daisy1111 I'm a Fan of Daisy1111 8 fans permalink

How does the H i l l ary hate help O b a m a win?

What's the strategy behind it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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You are right - it helps no one, but it sure helps us feel better. The Dems and the media are so concerned over her supporters feelings, nobody bothers to wonder how Obama supporters feel about the whole thing.

It's not hate, really, it's called disenfranchisement. Some of us have taken all we can take and feel we have a right to have our voices heard as well. We've been listening to the PUMA's who threaten to vote for McCain - you won't hear one of us say that and you wouldn't have heard it from us if Obama had lost. We would have been upset, yes, but this has reached the point of being ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

"Your girl" as you folks like to call her is trying her best to ensure four more years of Bush administration rape and pillage of our country.

You want us to just sit on our hands and watch from our couches? Not a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 08/19/2008
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Iam with you. How does Hillary hate help Obama win? It defies logic. The Clintons are never to be trusted and hopefully never to be returned to the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Do you know what I do hate? (I know you don't care but... you are asking.)

I have that anyone could be working for an outcome that ensure four more years of warmongering and killing for profits.

McCain will bomb Iran by Easter. You know it. That blood will be on your hands if you don't do everything in your power to make sure he doesn't get the chance.

I'll blame you folks who supported him out of spite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

There is a difference between anger and hate.

Is that too subtle for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 08/19/2008

Count me in, I can't wait to help fund the person that runs against her in NY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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I'm from Illinois, but count me in!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/19/2008

I don't have a vote in NY, but will contribute to the campaign of any dem who runs against her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 08/19/2008
- mlaiuppa I'm a Fan of mlaiuppa 38 fans permalink
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Isn't it STATES that decide whether they'll caucus or not?

And isn't a caucus sorta a miniature version of the electoral college? If you want to undermine the democratic process and tell states they can't caucus, then get rid of the electoral college too and just go by popular vote. That will get rid of the party elite too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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I find it very odd that the caucus system is suddenly desperately in need of fixing, but the Electoral College, that was proved to be out of date in 2000 hasn't been touched. Apparently Gore's supporters were not near as fanatical as Clinton's.

And everyone said Gore was a sore loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

There is so much wrong with our electoral system, and the caucuses are the LEAST of the problems, if they are a problem at all.

This is just a distraction by Sore Losers. The convention is not the place or the time to address rules changes. That's for the Rules Committee.

Anything to create a scuffle and more disunity. That's her game plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 08/19/2008
- hmmmmmer I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer 29 fans permalink

I will wait to pass judgment when the Clinton's talk at the convention. At that point their actions and words will tell us all whether they are going to do the right thing, the thing they would expect for themselves if the roles were reversed. If they can't then she will never have a chance at much of anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

This business of talking pretty and then encouraging the most base and underhanded behavior from the surrogates is disgusting.

I'm sure they'll give pretty speeches at the convention. It will not mean a thing unless they put a stop to the nonsense that is keeping the party from making a full frontal assault on McCain.

Not releasing her delegates said she was lying about her support of Obama, all along. Nobody believes she wants unity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/19/2008
- Danigirl65 I'm a Fan of Danigirl65 19 fans permalink
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You're a better person than I am. For me, Hillary's demise started with the kitchen sink, was extended by her lack of grace when Obama became the presumptive nominee, and was sealed when she seemed to egg on her supporters and this stupid catharsis term and now the convention crap.

By the time the primary season was over, seeing Hillary on television was like seeing Bush on television - I changed the channel. She could show up in every state wearing a cheerleader outfit and shout "Hey, Obama, he's our man; if he can't do it, nobody can" and I still could not forgive her.
Instead of acting like a woman during the primary, she acted like a man in a pantsuit and, as a woman, I was honestly embarrassed for her, as well as myself.

Unlike her supporters who mostly blame the DNC and the media for their discontent, I blame Clinton for her own actions and my never supporting her for elected office again.

I hope her supporters will follow my lead. Had she won, I simply would have stayed home on election day. I am not willing to sacrifice my country to John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 08/19/2008

The caucus issue will affect 2012, not 2008. Clinton herself will see to that, I believe. She's already done far more for party unity and for the Obama campaign than I expected, which is to her credit. I suspect she will continue to do so and will continue to woo her defectors. I wouldn't have thought this months ago, but I do now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 33 fans permalink
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How she and Bill behave in this coming week will determine in large part if she will become a major player the future of this country or the democratic version of Ralph Nader.

Nader went from a revered position to that of a pariah( sp ?) in a single season

it is up to here and her supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 08/19/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Absurd.
She's already a major player.
Which makes the Barry fanteen statements so short-sighted and disturbing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Hillary will never be a major player.

That assassination remark was the nail she put in her own coffin. That on top of everything else she did that Democrats simply do not do.

Not. Presidential. Material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- hlhicks I'm a Fan of hlhicks 10 fans permalink

I just love how the Clintons operate. If they don't win (forget about the fact that Bill had no problem with the sytem in 1992), then the system must be flawed. I guess they really are trying to lay the groundwork for 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 08/19/2008
- mlaiuppa I'm a Fan of mlaiuppa 38 fans permalink
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Weren't the Clintons part of the process that revised the nominating process and put the caucuses in place? I mean way back in their early years in the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 08/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 693 fans permalink
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thank you!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 08/19/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 33 fans permalink
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that doesn't count because, because we didn't win this time !!

and because O is black, and really smart and handsome.

plus other snivelly excuses.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/19/2008
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Caucuses have been in place before either Clinton was born..they are part of our heritage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 86 fans permalink

Other than being a ruse, a vehicle for Hillary Clinton's 2012 Campaign launch during our Convention --does ANYONE believe this is the prioirty this year?

Clinton Inc. is launching THEIR 2012 CAMPAIGN -- at this year's Convention and cobbling together various disgruntled interests as mini "platforms" and inserting tidbits of more COMPLAINTS into the main Platform for this purpose. COMPLAINT is their weapon of choice. VICTIMHOOD is their banner.

Personal responsibility for their failures and mismanagement will be nowhere in existence. Clinton Inc.'s media team are ensconced at Fox "News" (Lanny Davis/Howard Wolfson) w/Karl Rove. Mark Penn has hired Karen Hughes, chief propagandist for Bush Inc.

Everything's all set!

The two nights of Clinton are their new debut....for 2012.

New Yorkers, are you watching? Only we can ruin the Clinton debut as we ended her Campaign. She hasn't been back yet -- in more than two months. New Yorkers, we have a job to do. The Party and the Nation are depending upon us to DO IT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/19/2008
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