If It's Biden For VP, Get Ready For More Talk About Race

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First Posted: 08-19-08 06:33 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we can expect another cycle of news analysis regarding the impact of race on the presidential campaign.

Of course, on Tuesday afternoon Biden told reporters "I'm not the guy." (LATE UPDATE: A source close to Biden tells the Huffington Post that this has been Biden's stock answer for weeks, and as such is not terribly significant.) But if you believe our own well-connected Steve Clemons, the Delaware Senator may have the cover of plausible deniability, since he's been radio silent with the Obama campaign in recent days.

So, with all the usual caveats, here's how Biden's potential selection could affect the sometimes dormant, sometimes live-wire issue of race in the campaign.

In part, this reality stems from the fact that Biden hasn't always struck the most sensitive tone when it comes to talking about race. Referencing the Indian-Americans he'd met in his home state of Delaware, Biden once said "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent." While the Senator clearly meant to praise the hard work and entrepreneurship of his state's fastest growing minority group -- and was even speaking to an Indian-American supporter at the time -- his comments were nevertheless fodder for embarrassment.

More famously, and even more damaging, Biden kicked off his presidential campaign in early 2007 by describing Barack Obama in highly inelegant, loaded racial terms. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden told the New York Observer. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama both endeavored to let Biden off the hook, but the damage to Biden's campaign was still palpable.

Given this history, there are several possible ways that Biden-as-VP nominee could reignite the debate between the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain over race. First, McCain could declare any further parsing of racial subtext in the campaign to be null and void, given Biden's own checkered linguistic past. If Obama were to tread at all close to his talking points warning of racially-charged remarks from Republicans, McCain could attempt to label the Democratic ticket as hypocritical on the subject.

Notre Dame Professor of Political Science Darren Davis believes that Biden's selection as a running mate would bring an unneccessary amount of scrutiny to a topic Obama should actively be trying to avoid. "Obama needs to stay away from issues of race as much as he can, and although he brushed off Biden's comments early in the primaries, he cannot be seen as embracing a VP whom many thought was racist and insensitive toward Obama himself. ... Imagine how much fun the Republicans would have with that," Davis said.

However, it's easy to imagine a somewhat counter-intuitive angle on the Biden-race angle. With many white voters potentially uncomfortable with the strictures of politically correct verbiage, Biden could stand out as a sympathetic figure. As Obama's running mate, he could say, "I know how tough this is to navigate sometimes, and I'm living proof that folks with the best intentions trip wires they don't mean to trip from time to time." Having consolidated his standing as someone who has earned a few scars in the PC-wars, Biden could speak out against any GOP gambits that explicitly attempt to capitalize on vague feelings of "foreign-ness" regarding Obama -- such as McCain's "an American president for America" tag. Speaking as someone who knows the difference between innocent slips and the real deal, he could conceivably have some standing on the issue.

Davis disagreed with that hypothesis, saying that Biden's checkered PC past "would not endear whites to Obama, but it would raise questions about Obama's decision making."

But either way, if Steve Clemons is right about Biden being the pick, it's not hard to see how that could spark some new lines of debate on the race question.

It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we ...
It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we ...
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- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

As an African-American, my feelings are Senator Biden is the perfect choice to kick you-know-what -- and a nice complement to Barack's cooler sensibility. The contrast would be wonderful -- a ying and yang.

Senator Biden has made insensitive remarks. It is my belief in his attempt to strike the right note, he was off. Though we let him know he was off-key, I have NEVER felt Senator Biden meant harm. Many of us, in this unique American tapestry, sometimes are off-kilter. Living on the Navajo Reservation as a student, I made similar errors in the 1970s, w/out an awareness I was in error. My willingness to get things right was appreciated. I feel the same with Senator Biden. That is the distinction from others whose intent is borne out by REFUSAL to admit a mistake and make an immediately apology. It would be refreshing to have a President and VP who CAN admit mistakes, can take personal responsibility and are centered enough to be able to do so -- with humor.

We haven't had THAT during the Clinton/Bush Administrations -- or, during the Primaries, excepting Senator Biden.

Call him, Barack. Let's kick you-know-what!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

...excepting Senators Obama and Biden! Oops!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 08/19/2008
- Ajegunle I'm a Fan of Ajegunle 25 fans permalink

Hear, hear, my brother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/19/2008
- ladyv I'm a Fan of ladyv 26 fans permalink

Yep, very complementary style w/Obama, agree totally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 08/21/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

A little birdie told me right this minute that O will be announcing his VP choice this Saturday in Springfield, IL. I will be there and I cannot wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/19/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 105 fans permalink

Oh Pooh! Biden's a good guy and everybody knows it. He's also about as experienced on foreign relations and military action as a politician can get and that's all to the good. I actually believe that Obama is extremely well versed on those subjects himself, but a lot of Americans see it as a weaker area that can be pumped up by a guy like Biden. I think we're borrowing trouble here. There will be something about every single person Obama might pick and if there isn't, the republican machine will make something up like they've been doing with Obama. Obama will pick someone who he believes could lead the country well if it should be needed. I'll trust Obama with this one. Why do we give the repugies talking points?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 08/19/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Obama/Putin '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 08/19/2008
- toochie50 I'm a Fan of toochie50 13 fans permalink

WHY ISN'T IT CLARK??? HE WOULD BE FANTASTIC!
He ful-fills all the requirements - i'm still hoping........!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 08/19/2008
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agreed!
I think Wesley Clark would be ideal to counter all the people that say Obama lacks leadership and experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/19/2008
- JoyceBains I'm a Fan of JoyceBains 4 fans permalink
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Clark has publicly endorsed Sebelius for VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 08/20/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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If it's Biden for VP, then just get ready for more talk. What a disastrous choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/19/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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chumming

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 08/19/2008

who cares - we have a black man (although he is half white but you wouldn't know it from the media ad's these days) running for president. There will always be talk.

Go for it. Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 08/20/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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The O camp is managing this really quite well, and getting TONS of press from the speculation.

I bet there are about four people on earth who know who his pick is, and none of them are media.

I am standing by, awaiting my electronic heads up from the campaign. Until then, nobody knows doody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

How refreshing to see a REAL MANAGER in action -- for TWO YEARS! No divisiveness, no ego, no DRAMA. Let's go, Barack!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 08/19/2008

I think that you are diggin' a little bit deep to find this so-called biden race issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 08/19/2008

Well put, what an extraordinary stretch in logic. There's no Biden race problem here. I must admit I have been idly looking forward to Obama praising his new running mate as clean and articulate, which would be pretty funny. But I don't think he'd really do that to Biden.

As for the premise of this posting, Obama's race is part of this historic campaign, inextricably. It's better if race is referred to openly and in an uncomplicated way, not treated as the great, somehow shameful, unmentionable. If you think race can't be mentioned, you've let Obama's opponents get into your head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 08/19/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Biden joining Obama would probably serve to minimize
the so-called race issue, if there was ever really such
between those two. If Obama accepts Biden, with his
slightly 'odd' words/attitude, then so much the better,
and we could move on to other matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/19/2008

agreed. I don't know why we are tip toeing around the issue. He is half black and half white. So What? We have a long way to go in our society but we have come a long way as well. Let us pull off the scab on this issue get Obama elected and continue to deal with the issues of race, turn the freakin page already and move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 08/20/2008
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BIden would be a wonderful attack "dog" with chops. I would be happy with his selection.

Foot in the mouth....................what about Johnny Boy. He does not even know who is Sunni and who is Shia. Major gaffs all of the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 08/19/2008
- Candyx I'm a Fan of Candyx 6 fans permalink

most of the folks inside the beltway have issues if they have been a politican so whatever on Biden and the race issue. I think the republicans will wipe away any issues we all have with race once the 527's show their will racist side. So, what Bidan said will be meaningless. We all have something wrong with us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/19/2008
- kitrat33 I'm a Fan of kitrat33 3 fans permalink

The true racist's have always been the left and especially the little messiah. You lefty's try to use race like a sword when you think it helps you and then scream racism if anyone calls you on your racism.

The left the TRUE BIGOTS!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 08/19/2008
- Mattylock I'm a Fan of Mattylock 9 fans permalink

Generalize much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/19/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 105 fans permalink

We don't usually call each other names on these blogs, but you seem to be comfortable with calling others names. A kit is a baby thing and we all know what a rat is. I am left to wonder why you would call yourself a baby rat, but your comments do tend toward garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 08/19/2008
- TrueThis I'm a Fan of TrueThis 39 fans permalink

As an African American, I don't think Biden is a racist. I think that Biden has more crediential when it comes to all races than anyone on the Republican side. If he's VP it will be shown doing the convention. Plus, Obama see through the rherotic and so will every other americans. Obama needs Biden and Biden needs Obama.

Obama/Biden 08/12

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/19/2008

another black woman co-signing. I want Obama to weed through the excess crap and pick the best person to help him put this country back on track.


Go Obama/Biden

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 08/20/2008

Dear god...I hope it is someone like Richardson you idiots have ignored with all this mindless speculation from the beginning. I hope when it comes you'll be totally stunned because it was someone completely unexpected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 08/19/2008
- TrueThis I'm a Fan of TrueThis 39 fans permalink

The only person who's going to be stunned is YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 08/19/2008
- jones I'm a Fan of jones 16 fans permalink
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Mr. Walls.. I realize you feel that video says it all about Biden's "open mouth, insert foot" tendencies, I would like to say that I lived in Maryland on the Delaware border and from what I could observe while living there, Biden was very popular and successful senator. Yes, he's done the insert foot thing more than once but he's a good guy and well liked by Delaware residents of all ethnicities.

Jones

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 08/19/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 4 fans permalink

Personally, I much prefer the relatively innocent slips of a Biden to the all out carefully calculated lies of the McCain attack ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 08/19/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Bingo !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/19/2008
- Adrienne Williams - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Adrienne Williams 186 fans permalink

Thanks! Now can someone locate McCain's ex-wife so we can get the real story on a. when did he leave his ex-wife, b. why did he leave his ex-wife... I'll take Biden any day then McCain who can't even honor his sick wife and help her to walk! At least Biden knows what country borders on Iraq!!! :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 08/19/2008

co-signing nclayla

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 08/20/2008
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Love Biden, but he just doesn't work as VP
He's too emotional, too ingrained with the stink of Washington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 08/19/2008

but can he get the job done? If yes, by all means I will accept him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 08/20/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Congratulations Rachel Maddow - Finally ! - her own show, following Keith O. !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 08/19/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 4 fans permalink

Really! I hadn't heard - how wonderful! I would still prefer that she replace 'Morning Joe' but this is still great news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 08/19/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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I agree, but Morning Joe is on too early am - how about if we just get rid of him anyway ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 08/19/2008
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