If It's Biden For VP, Get Ready For More Talk About Race

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First Posted: 08-19-08 06:33 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we can expect another cycle of news analysis regarding the impact of race on the presidential campaign.

Of course, on Tuesday afternoon Biden told reporters "I'm not the guy." (LATE UPDATE: A source close to Biden tells the Huffington Post that this has been Biden's stock answer for weeks, and as such is not terribly significant.) But if you believe our own well-connected Steve Clemons, the Delaware Senator may have the cover of plausible deniability, since he's been radio silent with the Obama campaign in recent days.

So, with all the usual caveats, here's how Biden's potential selection could affect the sometimes dormant, sometimes live-wire issue of race in the campaign.

In part, this reality stems from the fact that Biden hasn't always struck the most sensitive tone when it comes to talking about race. Referencing the Indian-Americans he'd met in his home state of Delaware, Biden once said "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent." While the Senator clearly meant to praise the hard work and entrepreneurship of his state's fastest growing minority group -- and was even speaking to an Indian-American supporter at the time -- his comments were nevertheless fodder for embarrassment.

More famously, and even more damaging, Biden kicked off his presidential campaign in early 2007 by describing Barack Obama in highly inelegant, loaded racial terms. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden told the New York Observer. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama both endeavored to let Biden off the hook, but the damage to Biden's campaign was still palpable.

Given this history, there are several possible ways that Biden-as-VP nominee could reignite the debate between the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain over race. First, McCain could declare any further parsing of racial subtext in the campaign to be null and void, given Biden's own checkered linguistic past. If Obama were to tread at all close to his talking points warning of racially-charged remarks from Republicans, McCain could attempt to label the Democratic ticket as hypocritical on the subject.

Notre Dame Professor of Political Science Darren Davis believes that Biden's selection as a running mate would bring an unneccessary amount of scrutiny to a topic Obama should actively be trying to avoid. "Obama needs to stay away from issues of race as much as he can, and although he brushed off Biden's comments early in the primaries, he cannot be seen as embracing a VP whom many thought was racist and insensitive toward Obama himself. ... Imagine how much fun the Republicans would have with that," Davis said.

However, it's easy to imagine a somewhat counter-intuitive angle on the Biden-race angle. With many white voters potentially uncomfortable with the strictures of politically correct verbiage, Biden could stand out as a sympathetic figure. As Obama's running mate, he could say, "I know how tough this is to navigate sometimes, and I'm living proof that folks with the best intentions trip wires they don't mean to trip from time to time." Having consolidated his standing as someone who has earned a few scars in the PC-wars, Biden could speak out against any GOP gambits that explicitly attempt to capitalize on vague feelings of "foreign-ness" regarding Obama -- such as McCain's "an American president for America" tag. Speaking as someone who knows the difference between innocent slips and the real deal, he could conceivably have some standing on the issue.

Davis disagreed with that hypothesis, saying that Biden's checkered PC past "would not endear whites to Obama, but it would raise questions about Obama's decision making."

But either way, if Steve Clemons is right about Biden being the pick, it's not hard to see how that could spark some new lines of debate on the race question.

It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we ...
It's almost hard to believe there's a single stone of veep-related speculation yet to be unturned and over-examined, but here's one: If Delaware Sen. Joe Biden becomes Barack Obama's running mate, we ...
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Biden is by far the best choice!
Experienced, well spoken, bright, principled, great attack dog, ready on day one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 08/19/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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"sometimes dormant, sometimes live-wire issue of race in the campaign."

please show me the "sometimes dormant" phase. Did I sleep through that part?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 08/19/2008
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It's either Biden or Richardson -
In the aftermath of Georgia, I think he's going to choose a seasoned foreign affairs expert.
Wanna bet ? (rhetorical) ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 08/19/2008
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It's one thing to be Politically Incorrect, quite another to be a blatant race-baiter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/19/2008
- BlueBoomer I'm a Fan of BlueBoomer 28 fans permalink

Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/20/2008

I am still hoping for Webb!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 08/19/2008
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Where the f*ck do they come up with this bullsh*t?

This on the tail of Republicans for Obama, stressing just how disgusted they are with McCain's warmongering. I think the Republicans have bigger fish to fry. I can't wait for them to get those racists guns blazing, so the Democrats, Independents and disaffected Republicans can rip them a new @sshole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 08/19/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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not a big Gun proponent, myself, but I have already heard straight-up, undenied PROUD racism from some of the OC ReThugs, so if my tongue counts as a GUN - believe me, it is blazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 08/19/2008
- TrueThis I'm a Fan of TrueThis 31 fans permalink

So---few of you. Thank God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 08/19/2008
- TerryFL I'm a Fan of TerryFL 11 fans permalink

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Biden:

a. Very strong foreign policy credentials

b. Articulate with the media.

c .Experienced

d. Has a bit of an edge to him.

Might not be the best, but certainly not bad.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 08/19/2008
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Very strong supporter of women's rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 08/19/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Biden's son is being deployed to Iraq in the Fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 08/19/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

McCain has two children in the military..­....one of which has done several tours of duty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 08/19/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

President Bush all but ducked his obligation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 08/19/2008
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Where, in a nice little secluded cabin, or are they being housed with General Patraeus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 08/19/2008
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Which son? He's got several, one who was a Navy pilot in the 1980's, hehe, and 2 more who are 19-21 ages. And only 1 of them has done a tour of duty in the current Iraq war. And it was only 1 tour of duty. Not several.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 08/19/2008
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If you have any actual proof of their tours and duration..­...how many tours...da­tes...I'd appreciate it.

John and Cindy McCain have lost all credibility with me...I believe nothing they say, they are liars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 08/19/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

It'd validate our right to be vocal in expressing our hate for each other. We could take back our Dunkin' Donuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/19/2008
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So much for his visit to Georgia being connected to his VP chances. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 08/19/2008

Ha Ha Ha. I am gonna laugh my ass off when Barry picks Biden! Repubs are going to tear him up, everyday will be Biden's big mouth getting him in trouble. You morons should just pick Dean for your VP. Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!! lmao

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 08/19/2008
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Apparently you didn't see him take Lindsey Graham to task on Meet the Press. If you haven't you need to view the video. No way that Biden would ever lose any debate with any of McCain's pick.

By contrast, Biden drafted and passed legislation on violence against women. That alone is nothing that ANY politician can take away from him. That alone shows who really cares about womens rights and the protection of your daughters and young women against date rape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/19/2008
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Meanwhile, Republicans for Obama, Rita Hauser says McCain has vowed to have be a pro-life administration, and that she wants someone that is pro-choice. She says there is a large segment of republican women who fear McCain will attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade.

I am convinced that polls are bullsh*t.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 08/19/2008

He is a big mouth idiot and I hope and pray Barry picks him. He is beligerent and won't miss a chance to bring race into it, then Barry is TOAST!! What is going to happen when Barry loses? Is he going back to the senate to try to help kill babies that are already born like he did in Illinois? I live here, it is a fact and he can deny it all he wants but that is what that socialist novice did

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 08/19/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Who's Barry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/19/2008
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Barry White i guess? Didn't know dead guys could run for President.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 08/19/2008
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One of McCain's many lobbyists

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/20/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

such naked reverse psychology. ha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/19/2008
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If Obama were running for leader of the whole North American continent (which he might as well be if you believe some of the yahoo trollisms being spread across the site on a daily basis) I'd totally suggest he skip selecting a VP and instead endorse someone from the Canadian "Liberal" party as his running mate.

This comment may be lost on a whole lot of people from both sides of the spectrum, though. Not the least because it requires an understanding of politics beyond the U.S., but also because it could be totally misinterpeted as a serious suggestion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 08/19/2008
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Meh.... This one's got no legs. If it makes the news, it's a one day story that they slip in 10 headlines deep and devote 2 minutes to it. I'm not worried.

I like Biden personally, bad combover and all (lol), but I like Kathleen Sebelius even better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/19/2008
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i like biden but he do like to talk a lot so if obama go with a safe pick than it must be jack reed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 08/19/2008
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what politician doesn't slip-up every now and then? I think Biden would be the best VP pick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/19/2008
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