Veepstakes: What Happened To Sebelius?

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First Posted: 08-19-08 04:42 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blind darts. But one thing can be tangibly gleaned: which potential candidate is receiving the preponderance of coverage.

A curious aspect of the recent VP go-around has been the relatively scant attention paid towards Kathleen Sebelius. The Kansas Governor once was seen as a frontrunner for the spot. She was the gubernatorial compliment to Obama's new generation, Washington outsider message. But while her close relationship to the presumptive Democratic nominee has always made Sebelius -- at the very least -- a viable option, confidence in that choice has waned. Compared to other candidates, Sebelius has not been subjected to intense speculation. (On Tuesday, for example, Bloomberg News delved deep into the lobbying ties of Evan Bayh's wife.)

What can tea leaf readers make of this? On the most direct level, the silence suggests nothing more than that Sebelius is highly disciplined and not prone to unnecessary chatter or drama.

"I would definitely say that she, to her credit, is somebody who doesn't leak, and I think that there is probably a good shared mindset with the Obama team on that front," said a Democratic official in Kansas. "I'm almost sure she is still in the running and I think it is to the credit of the Chicago team, because their mores aren't guided by beltway chatter."

Indeed, the source adds, Sebelius' low national profile could be attributed to a press corps that is more familiar and comfortable reporting on Washington figures like Joe Biden or Bayh. Another Kansas official told the Huffington Post that a major national political reporter was still trying to figure out whether Sebelius was considered a progressive or a centrist within her own state. (For the record, she is regarded primarily as a principled progressive who has built consensus rather than tacked towards the middle.)

And yet, conventional wisdom suggests the opposite. The absence of serious buzz around Sebelius seems, observers say, reflective of a vice presidential candidacy that never really left the ground and is now viewed as a poor choice in such a tight race.

"Her strength is mostly symbolic, as a blue governor in a red state," said Bird Loomis, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has advised Sebelius in the past. "A lot of it is her personal relationship with Obama. And I think if Obama was ahead by ten points right now he might choose Kathleen. But in a two-point race I don't see how you give up a major political card [like a more dynamic pick] to play."

If that's the case, it represents a somewhat paradoxical political development. Several months into the general election, the major battles being waged are over economic policy and the woman vote. Sebelius, a widely respected administrator and one of the nation's most prominent female figures would, on the surface, seem well equipped to charge into that breach.

But outside factors have been at play. Several sources, stating the obvious, argued bluntly that the press and possibly Obama have ruled out Sebelius strictly because of the backlash her nomination would engender among Hillary Clinton supporters. "There is one reason," said a source close to Clinton. "And that's: 'no woman but Hillary.'" Others have argued that Obama's primary need right now is someone with foreign policy gravitas or geographic symbolism.

"A lot of it is pretty sophisticated, good reporters look at this and say, 'I know she has been named, but honestly, what does she bring to the ticket?' said Loomis. "And once they look they don't find that much politically in terms of her helping Obama. She doesn't have the foreign policy or military expertise and she doesn't come from a key state."

In the end, all this could be a moot point. Obama is expected to make his selection in a matter of days and few beyond the most inner circle of his staff know who he'll choose. But should Sebelius get the nod it would, in a way, be a remarkable political feat -- a vice presidential selection process that was navigated with a relatively low amount of speculation and even less expectation.

Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
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What happened to Sebelius? Seems all good to me. She is a prominent Democratic leader, Governor of a Red state strong on defense and the environment. While I feel she would make an excellent VP, she has more influence where she is, if history is any guide. Most VP's are relegated to pomp, circumstance and subordination.

Truth is, Sam, ... only one person will be nominated, and by one man, Obama. Indications are, ... that he is not indicating anything. It is not a scoop to say that I won't be nominated to VP, ... and yet that is the essence of your blog about Sebelius, ... and about as well founded.

As for the notion that Hillary must be the first woman for every post, ... it wasn't true in the past, ... and it won't be true in the future. A "one horse race" isn't a race at all, ... it would be a coronation. America has made it clear we want no part of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/20/2008

He's afraid to pick Sebelius because hillary's fans - who won't chip in a buck to defray her debt - will all get their panties in a snarl

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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If he is afraid of that he isn't ready to govern. I don't believe he IS afraid of that. I believe the fear is all on the Hillary side. She and Bill are afraid of being out to to graze.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/20/2008

It's true. Clinton supporters are the worst Americans. They are selfish & cheap. Hundreds of small businesses have not been paid by Clinton during tough times. Her supporters could easily pay it off.

And now Sebilieus is missing out because of them. She is the anti-Hillary, completely non partisan, just what we need. Not to mention REAL proven executive experience.

Obama gave Hillary everything she wanted at the convention, even after Bill's "experience" comments. And Clintonistas are still going to try to cause trouble.

The country needs their support more than ever & that whole camp has deserted America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/20/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Clinton supporters are the worst Americans? Clinton supporters are selfish and cheap? Sometimes it seems like the folks here are doing everything humanly possible to drive away as many votes as they can. With friends like this, Obama should be sinking into the depths of despair. Fortunately, he does not seem to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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She doesn't deserve the VP position. Joe Biden deserves the VP position. My personal choice would have been Dennis K. or Russ Feingold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 08/20/2008
- LillianB I'm a Fan of LillianB 9 fans permalink

Excuse me? Someone calling O the first AA to be clean and serious (or however he said it), "this is a storybook, man!" is patronizing and does not deserve the Veep position. Nor does a politician opposed to women's right to choose (Kaine). Or one whose family is tightly tied with lobbyists (Bayh).

Sebelius has everything: She is experienced, yet an outsider to the Washington milieu, underlining the message of change. She is older than O, wise, discreet, clearspoken, showing he is serious and the ticket as a whole is, too. She lives in Kansas, the "down to earth America" appealing to middle & working class people. She is used to working with people who doesn't necessarily agree with her (a blue governor in a red state) and has the integrity to speak up. They already know one another and know they can work well together.

And as for the "no woman but Hillary" argument, it's just ridiculous. A woman VP would add another 40-60 million cracks in the glass ceiling. No woman can oppose that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 08/20/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Unfortunately, HilBil women would not only oppose her, but do it screamingly.

I agree that S would be the right person, but until the hilbils are put out to pasture, O cannot choose a woman for VP

Very Sad, but true

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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One thing I never, never, never want to hear, on the off chance that Obama DOES pick Hillary, is that he did so because he feared the backlash from her and her supporters if he picked Sebelius, another woman, instead. I think the chances of him picking Hillary are about 10 percent at best, but just if he does, I want him to have a d*mn good reason for doing so and for it to have nothing to do with fear. For that would mean he is weak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 08/20/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Hey abby4ever, you are obviously an O supporter, as I am. I agree with 95% of your comments. I somewhat agree with this one, but, I really do not think O will condescend to pick hilbil.

In my wildest nightmares, I can't believe he would do it.

Keeping the faith,

Jean

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/20/2008
- MarcInCA I'm a Fan of MarcInCA 20 fans permalink

What would be great is if Obama actually picked Sebelius because he thought she was the best person for the job and not because of the beltway B.S. that dictates that you must choose the VP candidate to "shore up" your supposed weaknesses or because of what state they come from. That would be some real change demonstrated in Obama's first Presidential decision ... choosing a person to be his VP simply because they're the most qualified in his eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 08/20/2008
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 46 fans permalink
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Never heard of Her...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 08/20/2008
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Who is this woman any way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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Until we hear that she has NOT been put on the ticket, she is Hillary's worst nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 08/20/2008
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How is she Hillary's worst nightmare. Obama has more to lose than anyone here especially lately with the way he is being portrayed in the media!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 08/20/2008
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very uninspiring. and she looks like john kerry. not a welcome association.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 08/20/2008

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 08/20/2008
- LillianB I'm a Fan of LillianB 9 fans permalink

So. You think women's looks are what's qualifying or disqualifying?

KS is everything O should want in a VP. She has governing experience, is a competent leader, is used to work in an environment where lots of people do not agree with her (a blue governor in a red state), she is a Washington outsider (without ties to lobbies, underlining the message of change), she is older than him, wise and discreet, she is a person he knows and can work well with, she knows economy and is clearspoken.

And the argument that women should oppose to her because she is not Hillary, is just rubbish. A woman VP would add another 40 millions cracks in the glass ceiling, and highlight yet another difference between Obama and McC. One of them uses the c-word. The other chooses a VP for her qualifications, not her gender.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 08/20/2008

No foreign policy; no military - same as Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 08/20/2008

THAT'S IT Y'ALL

It should have been a SECRET between me and O. But let me tell u now. Enough specualation about who the VP will be. It will be ME. I will bring qualifications, experience, knowledge, etc, plus I am not a washington insider. Thats the AUGUST SUPRISE.

OBAMA / ME 08/12

You will receive a text message shorly to confirm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 08/20/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

I knew it was you all along. You couldn't fool me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 08/20/2008
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Quite simply actually. The easiest way for Obama to lose in November, would be to choose a female OTHER THAN CLINTON for his running mate. The scars from the primary and how it treated a female candidate run deep. There is the risk of more of the same if he chooses her, and the definite end to so many clinton supporters he hopes to obtain. Actually, none of the prospects in the limelight for v.p. are going to make much of a difference in Obama's chances in November, just as neither of the candidates for president is going to make much of a difference out of the mess America has become under bush and cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 08/20/2008
- Piatt I'm a Fan of Piatt 15 fans permalink

"The scars from the primary and how it treated a female candidate run deep" and he'll lose if he choses a "female OTHER THAN CLITON for his running mate."

You're not a feminist. You're a cultist. What is this, "the divine right of queens"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 08/20/2008
- LillianB I'm a Fan of LillianB 9 fans permalink

That's totally illogical. Yes, some of Hillary's closest supporters might be offended, but those will be offended whoever is chosen, as long as it's not Hillary (or maybe even then). The rest of us (women, that is, many of us supporting to Hillary in the beginning, switching to Obama when he turned out to be a sensible politician and maybe even "the real thing") are fully aware there's not just ONE woman qualified for high office in the US. Talking about cracks in the glass ceiling... NOT choosing KS simply BECAUSE she is a woman is re-enforcing that glass ceiling once again.

Naming Kathleen Sebelius his veep will show that Obama is serious about choosing a competent partner with whom he can work well in the White House, it shows that he is serious about his "change" message (KS is a well qualified leader with administrative governing experience, but at the same time both an "outsider" to Washington and a woman, she is older than him, and experienced, but she hasn't got the same kinds of ties to lobbyists or political operatives the like, as those having spent decades in the Senate). He will also show himself to be a true liberal - he doesn't share certain misogynist prejudices widely spread in both parties. He is no McC calling women the c-word. Anyone defining himself or herself as liberal should appreciate that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 08/20/2008
- MarcInCA I'm a Fan of MarcInCA 20 fans permalink

And the primary season treated a female candidate so horribly by putting her in a near tie with her main opponent? I love that just because she wasn't coronated as the candidate that somehow she was treated badly.

What's even more priceless is this assertion that the glass ceiling must now stay in place for all other female politicians and only Hillary is allowed to be the first to break through it. What illogical bull.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 08/20/2008
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mergina, you have pushing this cart for two whole days and it sounds like a threat, an ultimatum, and many of us don't like that. And your reasoning is faulty, here I speak more of some of your other posts on this matter.
Here is something I posted to you yersterday; just in case you didn't see it, I will post it again.

The sad reality of puma logic:

They want Hillary. They say Obama is not experienced enough, that he is arrogant, that he is an elitist, and that if he is the nominee the democrats will lose the general election. Keep these things firmly in mind as we move on...

They insist that Hillary be put on the ticket in the veep slot. If this does not happen, they will vote McCain.* If it does happen, they will vote Obama.

Therefore, if Hillary is put on the ticket, they will nominate for president the man they say is not experienced enough, is arrogant, is an elitist, and who will lose them the general election.

But wait! They say if Hillary is on the ticket, we will WIN the general election.

In which case the man they say is not experienced enough, is arrogant, is an elitist, will be running the country. Not Hillary, but this man.

abby

*Women who call themselves true blue feminists threatening to vote for perhaps the greatest sexist of our time, McCain, is sad. Dumb, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 08/20/2008
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Women who call other women dumb are pretty pathetic also!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/20/2008

Obama will pull us out of this mess by giving America part of what was lost in 9/11,...hope. The dollar will just when he takes office, because foreign investors will be glad Bush is out & no war monger is in. This will also lower the price of oil. Add to that a $1000 tax cut for 95% of Americans next year & America will feel right as rain again.

PUMA is a toothless tiger the media has been feeding. I saw on Sunday they only raised $50,000 in all this time. If that represents the will of 18million people, the dollar has really shrunken.

Obama should pick her & make Clinton say she is going to stand in the way of the 1st woman VP. Won't happen. He could definitely get away with it & women would actually rally around her.

The press has given Hillary dissenters more voice than their real numbers. And the polls prove that.

Ralph Naders has more support than PUMA & hasn't gotten as much coverage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 08/20/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

It is interesting to see Sam Stein contnue his role and mouthpiece for the Clintons.

The messaage her is clear: Hillary is very threatened by Kathleen Sebelius and has ordered the Clintonites to take her down.

Sebelius is a woman who has achieved leadership on her merits, demonstrated a capacity to unify not divide, and can manage complexity. She is everything Mrs. Bill Clinton is not.

No wonder Sam Stein and the Clintonites are turning up the volume on their latest mantra : "No woman but Hillary." Hillary will have a hard time claiming to be the leader in women's political movement when she is so jealous and mean-spiritied in her dealings with truely accomplished women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 08/20/2008
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I don't think Stein is a huge fan of the Clintons, according to several articles he's written in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 08/20/2008
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You got to be kidding, right ? Sam is as anti Clinton as one can be !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/20/2008
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Yea you must be getting Stein mixed up with someone else, because he's anything but a mouthpiece for the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 08/20/2008
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I too have always been suspect of the author's goals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 08/20/2008
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***Obama is expected to make his selection in a matter of days and few beyond the most inner circle of his staff know who he'll choose.***

Sam, that one sentence alone should tell us not to pay the slightest attention to your blog. Do you honestly believe Obama hasn' t already made his decision?

Or is it that you are just pretending that you believe he hasn 't made it yet, so that you can trash Sebelius for Hillary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 08/20/2008
- Faith101 I'm a Fan of Faith101 5 fans permalink

Even if Obama picked Hillary, some people said that they still will not support the ticket. For some reason I think Obama may pick up some older women votes (Hill Gang) but what will it do for the indep and disaffected repub that backs him? Will they support him no matter what. I really would like to hear from others on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 08/20/2008
- amst I'm a Fan of amst 9 fans permalink

I feel opposite of many. I think a Hillary pick is a loss for Obama. Sure, while all the Dems (well except th Pumas) will still vote fo Obama, BUT the NEOS are itching to have her on the ticket, pepared to swiftboat, PLUS I think they have so much hatred for her that they'd come ot in droves just NOT to have an Obama win. You can bet a year's salary that the Repthugs were sooooo diapponted when O won. Although we have no gaurantee of an Obama win, with Hillary on the ticket is a definite loss IMHO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 08/20/2008
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I'm hoping for Sibelius.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/opinion/20dowd.html?hp

Two Against One - Maureen Dowd - 8/20/08

Ha! New Yorkers KNOW Hillary, now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 08/20/2008
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Iv'e just finished reading it. It's really hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 08/20/2008
- goldnchyl I'm a Fan of goldnchyl 13 fans permalink
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it'd be hilarious if there weren't even the slightest possibility

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 08/20/2008
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hope 0 reads it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 08/20/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Funny, but Maureen has done better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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I agree that she's done better, that piece she did last week on how Hillary was trying to hijack the convention, was one of her best. I don't agree that thisone is funny, to me it's just silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 08/20/2008
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