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First Posted: 08-19-08 04:42 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blind darts. But one thing can be tangibly gleaned: which potential candidate is receiving the preponderance of coverage.

A curious aspect of the recent VP go-around has been the relatively scant attention paid towards Kathleen Sebelius. The Kansas Governor once was seen as a frontrunner for the spot. She was the gubernatorial compliment to Obama's new generation, Washington outsider message. But while her close relationship to the presumptive Democratic nominee has always made Sebelius -- at the very least -- a viable option, confidence in that choice has waned. Compared to other candidates, Sebelius has not been subjected to intense speculation. (On Tuesday, for example, Bloomberg News delved deep into the lobbying ties of Evan Bayh's wife.)

What can tea leaf readers make of this? On the most direct level, the silence suggests nothing more than that Sebelius is highly disciplined and not prone to unnecessary chatter or drama.

"I would definitely say that she, to her credit, is somebody who doesn't leak, and I think that there is probably a good shared mindset with the Obama team on that front," said a Democratic official in Kansas. "I'm almost sure she is still in the running and I think it is to the credit of the Chicago team, because their mores aren't guided by beltway chatter."

Indeed, the source adds, Sebelius' low national profile could be attributed to a press corps that is more familiar and comfortable reporting on Washington figures like Joe Biden or Bayh. Another Kansas official told the Huffington Post that a major national political reporter was still trying to figure out whether Sebelius was considered a progressive or a centrist within her own state. (For the record, she is regarded primarily as a principled progressive who has built consensus rather than tacked towards the middle.)

And yet, conventional wisdom suggests the opposite. The absence of serious buzz around Sebelius seems, observers say, reflective of a vice presidential candidacy that never really left the ground and is now viewed as a poor choice in such a tight race.

"Her strength is mostly symbolic, as a blue governor in a red state," said Bird Loomis, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has advised Sebelius in the past. "A lot of it is her personal relationship with Obama. And I think if Obama was ahead by ten points right now he might choose Kathleen. But in a two-point race I don't see how you give up a major political card [like a more dynamic pick] to play."

If that's the case, it represents a somewhat paradoxical political development. Several months into the general election, the major battles being waged are over economic policy and the woman vote. Sebelius, a widely respected administrator and one of the nation's most prominent female figures would, on the surface, seem well equipped to charge into that breach.

But outside factors have been at play. Several sources, stating the obvious, argued bluntly that the press and possibly Obama have ruled out Sebelius strictly because of the backlash her nomination would engender among Hillary Clinton supporters. "There is one reason," said a source close to Clinton. "And that's: 'no woman but Hillary.'" Others have argued that Obama's primary need right now is someone with foreign policy gravitas or geographic symbolism.

"A lot of it is pretty sophisticated, good reporters look at this and say, 'I know she has been named, but honestly, what does she bring to the ticket?' said Loomis. "And once they look they don't find that much politically in terms of her helping Obama. She doesn't have the foreign policy or military expertise and she doesn't come from a key state."

In the end, all this could be a moot point. Obama is expected to make his selection in a matter of days and few beyond the most inner circle of his staff know who he'll choose. But should Sebelius get the nod it would, in a way, be a remarkable political feat -- a vice presidential selection process that was navigated with a relatively low amount of speculation and even less expectation.

Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
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- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Sam Stein = Clinton Spin

Stein offers the views of "annoymous" sources with lots of contridiction and twisted logic. Stein says "The Kansas Governor once was seen as a frontrunner for the spot. " ? And Stein knows this because? And then says, "The absence of serious buzz around Sebelius seems, observers say, reflective of a vice presidential candidacy that never really left the ground and is now viewed as a poor choice in such a tight race." Come on Sam, how cand she have been the fronterrunner and never leftthe groud?

This article serves Hillary's purposes by

1. tying to trash Sebelius as insignifcant, comared to Hillary

2. trying to sow discord among Obama supporters, and alienate women,

3. reminding Obama and Democrats that fTeam Clinton will accept "no woman but Hillary"

Transparent and laughable. Vintage Sam Stein

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 266 fans permalink
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Assuming that Obama has already made his choice, Sam would be wasting his time with 3, above, and possibly 2 as well. I agree that he sometimes spins for Hillary and that his sources are usually vague, often nameless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 08/20/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

the message of "No woman but Hillary" goes well beyond the VP choice and the convention. In her arraogance, Hillary is the self annointed voice of women in leadership, and eager to play victim if she is not the focus of constant adulation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 08/20/2008
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Like the Governor of Michigan , she is Guilty.

Of being HOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/20/2008
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LOL!! I AGREE!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 08/20/2008

LOL!!! First laugh of the day. It's funny......because it's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 08/20/2008

Like Barack Obama, I love Kathleen Sebelius. Here's how Barack described his ideal VP at the Raleigh, No. Carolina Town Hall today: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/19/obama-describes-his-ideal-vp/
"I want somebody who has integrity, who’s in politics for the right reasons, I want somebody who is independent. Somebody who is able to say to me, ‘You know what, Mr. President, I think you’re wrong on this and here’s why,’ and who will help me think through major issues and consult with me, would be a key advisor. I want somebody who is capable of being president and who I would trust to be president. That’s the first criteria for VP.
And the final thing is, I want a [vice] president who shares with me a passion to make the lives of the American people better than they are right now. I want someone who is not in it just because they want to have their name up in lights or end up being president. I want somebody who is mad right now that people are losing their jobs. And is mad right now that people have seen their incomes decline, and wants to rebuild the middle class in this country. That’s the kind of person that I want; somebody who in their gut knows where they came from and believes that we have to grow this country from the bottom up."
OBAMA / SEBELIUS '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 08/20/2008
- GaryWolf I'm a Fan of GaryWolf 2 fans permalink

The sad irony here is that Hillary Clinton's campaign has not opened the door for other women. It has closed them for women who are not Hillary Clinton. Her rabid supporters, who still can't get over the fact that she mismanaged her campaign and lost, must accept the full blame for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

They are also responsible for why she cannot raise money to pay her bills...and will lose her Senate seat.

So, where's the progress?

Hillary is a faux feminist icon -- taking women backward, perversely. Gloria, Gerry, etc. know it. they don't care -- and neither does she.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 08/20/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Many very tralented women have risen to ledership on their own merits. and demonstrated their skills as leaders. Hillaryr Clinton is not one of them. She is a Senator and candidate for president solely because she is Mrs. Bill Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 08/20/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Great point - !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 266 fans permalink
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Lise!

(:^^^:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 08/20/2008
- 305Rider I'm a Fan of 305Rider 48 fans permalink
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It's not just her supporters. Some of the blame has to go to her staff. They were so sure that Hillary was a shoe-in for the presidency that they let internal strife and positioning in a future Clinton administration get in the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

As a New Yorker who knows some of her "management" -- I can tell you they took their cues from the woman, herself. She ran as if she was pre-ordained for an entire years -- with an historically unprecedented NYS war chest and sent her on her way. Lacking humility and refusing to EARN each and every vote -- Iowa shocked her back to reality. The BOSNIA LIES don't fly here -- and, after 9/11 -- we are not about to give a pass to a SENATOR who doesn't know when she is in the midst of sniper fire w/her child. We KNOW what being attacked looks/feels like. We didn't appreciate the joke.

Hillary MISMANAGED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and her Campaign. End of story. Noboby was given a better platform (as the media Capital) or more money.

It's over. She will never get it again. We don't owe Hillary a damn thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 08/20/2008
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GaryWolf,

YOU SAID IT BEST!!

As a Republican supporting Obama, I notice that the Clinton Campaign is "NOT" Open to Accepting Another Femail on the Ticket unless it is Hillary!! JUST LIKE YOU STATEDThey still can't get over the fact that she mismanaged her campaign and lost, must accept the full blame for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 08/20/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 69 fans permalink
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I've asked my wife to explain the "no woman but Hillary" thing to me, but she hasn't been able to make me understand it. I see no logic in it. My wife was for Hillary largely because of gender. She admits that. So, why not be for another woman, too?

It's not logical in any way I will understand, but we've been married long enough that I've come to accept it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton has painted herself as a victim, though we all know that is false and the reasons why it is false.

Manipulatively, Hillary Clinton belatedly chose to run as a feminist icon -- to set herself up for 2012. Triangulating the Party's interests -- with McCain, who she/Bill validated for this purpose -- is essential to isolating and separating "her women" from Barack Obama and costing him the General Election. Hillary, who chose NOT to run "as a woman" changed her strategy in N.H. - tearing up and tapping into her base of women like herself -- except, she is NOT like them at all. We, in NYC, fell for this when she arrived here -- we thought -- battered by the IMPEACHMENT and reasons for it. We were WRONG. We now know Hillary and will never vote for her again. She can't raise a dime in NYC - where you can always raise money among our politically active. Even from cab drivers! Not any more.

Hillary Clinton is DENYING Barack Obama his win. She has been and continues to run a parallel Campaign -- w/her husband. She is dividing the Party and leveraging the Convention as her kickoff for her 2012 Campaign. She is a faux feminist icon, because her stragegy is to make herself the ONLY woman. Women of a certain age are rooting for her -- for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Barack never appealed to African-Americans in this way and never would. Jesse Jackson did. He is from another time -- and, is angry because Barack has made his case without GUILT and MANIPULATION. Jesse is now dated. Muted.

So is Hillary Clinton - and New Yorkers know it now. So does Hillary. The Convention is her big, final play -- against those who took what she believes is rightfully hers, away. This is personal -- and unprofessional. Women across the Nation will wise up when they realize how they are being used -- and the COSTS to other women -- and to themselves.

New Yorkers have buyers remorse. We know what to do about it.

The Clintons ONLY care about themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 08/20/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

After November Obama will be the muted one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 08/20/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Because picking a woman who is not Hillary is nothing more than blatant pandering and there would be no gain. Hillary is the most qualified and experienced woman on the political scene. There is no point in arguing about that so why try to force someone else into that mold? HIllary comes with a built-in base and the ability to survive what promises to be a brutal campaign. Any other woman would be adding another inexperienced newcomer to a ticket that is struggling. It just makes no sense. Either pick a man or pick Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 08/20/2008
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"Hillary is the most qualified and experienced woman on the political scene. There is no point in arguing about that so why try to force someone else into that mold."

Qualified?

Qualified to be on the Maury Povich show, draggin' her no-good dawg of a man on stage for a screaming DNA-showdown.

For the third time.

Either pick a person with self-respect, or pick Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton does not represent the full scope of female talent in the United States of America. To the extent she has set herself as if she does -- she will be repudiated full force by the State of New York.

It is worse than a "Bosnia self-delusion" for Hillary Clinton to even think ONLY SHE is qualified to be a female President of the United States. And, as with the original Bosnia LIES, it amazes that there are women who destructively want a woman so badly -- Hillary can say/do anything -- w/out accountability or responsibility -- and get a pass.

New Yorkers gave Hillary Clinton two Senate terms and more than $100million to kick off her Campaign.

PUMAs won't settle a $10mil debt to small town vendors (the balance she/her husband will pay, we hear).

We don't need or want lectures. Hillary Clinton would not have been in a position to run for the Presidency without New Yorkers. We will end her political future -- next week.

She has less than 4 years to her term. She can't settle a few bills and her supporters won't pay them. New York will NOT be raising another $100mil for a woman who cannot lose with grace and dignity that befits a sitting Senator from New York State. Something most women learn long before 60 years old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 08/20/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

"No woman but Hillary" reflects her arrogance and sence of entittlement . Hillary is very threated by women who have risen on their own merits and hard work, rather than riding on the backs of a powerful husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 08/20/2008
- LillianB I'm a Fan of LillianB 9 fans permalink

That "powerful husband" wouldn't have gotten anywhere without her brain helping him get there. He had the charms, she had the brains, and together they made it. Those arguing she's gotten to power just because of him, overlook her efforts to make him what he became. Still, some people make it seem as a disqualifying factor that she has a politically experienced husband.

That "no woman but Hillary" nonsense is just nonsense. People being offended by Obama choosing another VP than Hillary would be just as offended whoever he chooses, man or woman. Those seeing her as the natural number two shouldn't accept Biden/Bayh/Kaine any easier than Sebelius, and those people shouldn't be a factor in Obama's decision. He should choose whoever he feels is the best choice.

I would sure like him to go for Sebelius. She's got it all. She is experienced, but still an outsider to Washington, without the ties to lobbies that Senators having served decades can't totally avoid. She is older than him, clearspoken, wise and discreet, good at making compromises and has a long history as a leader in an environment where many people do not agree with her (blue governor in a red state). She is a person with whom he has a close relationship and with whom he'd work well. And she'd underline his message of change - for all her experience, she is still both a woman and an outsider to Washington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 08/20/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 76 fans permalink
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I didn't like her campaign, but I think the idea is that any other woman would have to, in fairness, be equal to or BETTER than Hillary.

Hillary is a second term senator (one who seems to have strong support in her state). As First Lady, she showed some diplomatic skills and had experience with many leaders and cultures around the world.

She had intense media scrutiny then and now, and handled it generally well.

She ran a national campaign for president, and came very close to winning (let's not get into the "how").

I think at the moment she's the second most prominent leader in the Democratic party--more than Gore, Dean, Reid, Pelosi, or Bill.

Sibelius, while an admirable governor and woman, doesn't begin to stack up to Hillary's accomplishments and range of experience(s), and choosing her would be a slap in the face to many Democrats because of it.

I think that's how the argument goes. I don't want Hillary as VP (and fortunately her finances will never be vetted), but the reasoning kind of makes sense, especially given how small the pool of women VP choices is (unlike the men).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 AM on 08/20/2008
- recruitgal I'm a Fan of recruitgal 6 fans permalink
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I will give you some of those points, but here's the thing about Kathleen. She is a Governor. She therefore has executive experience. She has also managed to 'reach across the aisle' and get republicans and democrats working together for the good of her state. She also fits the bill for what O has said he wants in an VP. She would be a trusted advisor, in the true sense of the word.

Unfortunately, I think he'll go for Kaine or Biden. Oh well. He'd get my vote even if his running mate was Ronald McDonald.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 08/20/2008

The few times I have heard her speak, she never seems to be on top of things. She seems unsure and almost rambles. Don't care about her looks. Any woman old enough to be in high elected office in this country is not going to win a beauty contest. Sad but true - men get distinguished, women just get old. (spoken by an old woman).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 08/20/2008
- aware4O I'm a Fan of aware4O 13 fans permalink

i sill simply say : WOW! your comments are not flattering at all... why the beef?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 08/20/2008
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I find the arguments against Sebelius utterly unconvincing. Does anyone honestly think any voters are going to get excited about Bayh, Biden, or Kaine? People talk about "filling gaps in Obama's resumé," but history has shown that this sort of calculation in VP picks has little effect on presidential campaigns. And there's that one constituency the MSM and the majority of commenters here on Huff seem oblivious to: WOMEN. "No woman but Hillary"? Yeah, that attitude will effect the voting decisions of, what, a few thousand die-hard Hillraisers? The idea of getting a woman into the White House, and possibly into the Oval Office in 2016, will excite huge numbers of women. It will draw Republican women in droves. And it will be women, not blue-collar white men, who decide this election. If Obama chooses a man and McCain chooses a woman (which he'd be a fool not to, considering the math), Obama will lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/20/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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I really believe that H has now held the VP position hostage for any other woman.
Unfortunately, I can only imagine the furor if it were Sibelius.
I am very impressed with this Sibelius, completely contrary to how I feel about H.
Sibelius can thank H for the fact that she prob. won't be VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Every woman should be able to make her case, independent of QUEEN HILLARY. Ridiculous.

This should be a decision by the winner -- based upon his criteria -- and ALL women should be under consideration, just like all men -- who are qualified.

Hillary Clinton's GROSS mismanagement of the money we raised for her in NYC -- as well as the infighting in her Campaign she refused to stop (we saw it, in NYC) -- disqualifies her. She should NOT stand in the way of any other woman.

We don't have a monarchy or dynasties in the United States of America - nor illegal 3rd Terms for a "family Presidency."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

She adds little to Obama's ticket...she may be the darling of some of his backers, but she just doesn't have the umph to help Obama...now as I said elsewhere the notion of Caroline Kennedy would be quite the opposite...I think Hill's backers would be enthused, many in the base would be thrilled, and it would be a stunning and astonishing pick. The MSM would have conniptions. Not that I think Caroline would want to subject herself to the scrutiny she has so studiously avoided her whole adult life at the encouragement of course of Jackie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 08/20/2008
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"Her strength is mostly symbolic, as a blue governor in a red state," said Bird Loomis, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has advised Sebelius in the past. "A lot of it is her personal relationship with Obama. And I think if Obama was ahead by ten points right now he might choose Kathleen. But in a two-point race I don't see how you give up a major political card [like a more dynamic pick] to play."
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Huh? This person calls Joe Biden, Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine DYNAMIC?

Although, of course, those are the names the MEDIA came up with. It's funny how much you guys all listen to Obama. He said not to believe anything that came out until he made the announcement, but it seems like everyone is swallowing every story out there hook line and sinker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Sibellius has nothing to offer except alleged progressive bona fides to some of Obama's supporters...Kansas will not be going blue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/20/2008
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She's boring.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 08/20/2008
- macbabe I'm a Fan of macbabe 107 fans permalink
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you need entertaining? get a dog, ...she can get the "work" done!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Repeat...BORING...and dogs aren't for entertainment...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/20/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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She's smart & most important : emotionally balanced !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 08/20/2008
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I think Sebelius would be a great choice. But once I heard of Tim Kaine's own Kansas roots, I thought her chances for the VP slot were slim. If Kaine can help in both Virginia and Kansas (Kansas is a long shot, either way) and reinforce the change and competent governance arguments, he's the better choice. The only reason to choose Bayh is to put Indiana in play (which is a good reason). Biden is an attack dog who knows foreign policy, has experience, and can keep the media's attention all day long (which is unfortunately important). I'm voting for Obama regardless. I think he'll make a good choice. Looking forward to finding out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 08/20/2008
- macbabe I'm a Fan of macbabe 107 fans permalink
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I just wonder if Kaine has enough exp to be Pres is all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 08/20/2008
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We've been brought up on a myth. The truth is, you and most people you know are overqualified for the Presidency. The country has to stop being afraid to vote for smart people just because they haven't been in the political game that long. I was impressed with Kaine's performance on Charlie Rose last month (you may be, too; I'm pretty sure it's on youtube). I think he's as good a choice as any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Enough with Kansas...zero to add to ticket...period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 08/20/2008
- amantell I'm a Fan of amantell 6 fans permalink
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Sebellius would make a fine choice as Obama's wing (wo)man. His campaign has said in the past that he's looking for a running mate who will help govern the country, not just provide an advantage in a presidential campaign. She's got executive experience, a history of bi-partisan accomplishment, and an apparently good rapport with Obama--nor is she a so-called Washington insider.
Given that Hillary's got few significant political accomplishments, no executive experience to speak of, and she displayed colossal ineptitude as a manager in her run for the White House, she hardly seems a stronger candidate. Her real strengths are her charisma, which is considerable, her constituency, her political ties, and Bill's political and business ties. The latter attributes are double-edged swords, to say the least.
Historically, running mate selections rarely help presidential candidates. The last one to do so was LBJ, nearly fifty years ago, so Obama could pick someone based on his opinion of their ability to govern with no damage to his campaign. Even if one of his primary reasons was, in fact, to placate women voters, Kaine, Bayh, and Biden all have their drawbacks. It wouldn't be a bad thing to pick Sebellius relative to her competition for purely political reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/20/2008

The thing about pundits is that they don't know what anyone who really cares about this country is thinking, because they are political vultures that care only about their personal wealth and fame.

They wonder why Obama would pick a VP to govern despite how excited that person makes pundits?

Who gives a flying f*** about how pundits feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Everyone must keep in mind that the Veep may become President...it may not affect the results of the election, but it sure matters to the Pres.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 08/20/2008
- AdV2k1 I'm a Fan of AdV2k1 6 fans permalink
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Hillary people shouldn't be upset if she is picked, they should be upset they picked the wrong female to back in the first place . Sebelius is 100x better politician than Hillary and governed a red state. That is impressive and not just a novelty, she proves Democrats can win wherever.
She has executive experience and bi-partisan ties.

God forbid anything happens to Obama SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE his legacy and still manage to lead the nation.

I like Joe Biden but if something happens to Obama I don't know if he will know what to do.

Sebelius should help the rural vote and white vote drastically, she is very nice compliment to Obama which a VP should be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

WRONG...she adds nothing...period...end of discussion...we are moving on now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/20/2008
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Sorry, but no.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 08/21/2008

I am a political activist, veteran, and I cannot find any democrat that knows are knew who Sebelis is prior to this presidential election. So, why would we vote for her, or want her as the V.P.? And from the state of Kansas?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 08/19/2008
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Excuse me???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 08/19/2008
- macbabe I'm a Fan of macbabe 107 fans permalink
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who's Tim Kaine?? .. I am WA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 08/19/2008
- JulieKay I'm a Fan of JulieKay 6 fans permalink

No one things there is much chance for Kansas to go blue, even with Sebelis

August 13

Rasmussen Kansas General Election Poll

* John McCain 52% (52%)
* Barack Obama 37% (32%)

With Leaners:

* John McCain 55% (58%)
* Barack Obama 41% (35%)

Favorable / Unfavorable (Net)

* John McCain 66% / 33% (+33)
* Barack Obama 48% / 52% (-4)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 08/20/2008
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Thanks for a cold dose of reality for those who just don't get the dynamics of a campaign...Sibellius may suit the Obama super fans who like her credentials as a supposed progressive, but that adds nothing to his national appeal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/20/2008
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