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First Posted: 08-19-08 04:42 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blind darts. But one thing can be tangibly gleaned: which potential candidate is receiving the preponderance of coverage.

A curious aspect of the recent VP go-around has been the relatively scant attention paid towards Kathleen Sebelius. The Kansas Governor once was seen as a frontrunner for the spot. She was the gubernatorial compliment to Obama's new generation, Washington outsider message. But while her close relationship to the presumptive Democratic nominee has always made Sebelius -- at the very least -- a viable option, confidence in that choice has waned. Compared to other candidates, Sebelius has not been subjected to intense speculation. (On Tuesday, for example, Bloomberg News delved deep into the lobbying ties of Evan Bayh's wife.)

What can tea leaf readers make of this? On the most direct level, the silence suggests nothing more than that Sebelius is highly disciplined and not prone to unnecessary chatter or drama.

"I would definitely say that she, to her credit, is somebody who doesn't leak, and I think that there is probably a good shared mindset with the Obama team on that front," said a Democratic official in Kansas. "I'm almost sure she is still in the running and I think it is to the credit of the Chicago team, because their mores aren't guided by beltway chatter."

Indeed, the source adds, Sebelius' low national profile could be attributed to a press corps that is more familiar and comfortable reporting on Washington figures like Joe Biden or Bayh. Another Kansas official told the Huffington Post that a major national political reporter was still trying to figure out whether Sebelius was considered a progressive or a centrist within her own state. (For the record, she is regarded primarily as a principled progressive who has built consensus rather than tacked towards the middle.)

And yet, conventional wisdom suggests the opposite. The absence of serious buzz around Sebelius seems, observers say, reflective of a vice presidential candidacy that never really left the ground and is now viewed as a poor choice in such a tight race.

"Her strength is mostly symbolic, as a blue governor in a red state," said Bird Loomis, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has advised Sebelius in the past. "A lot of it is her personal relationship with Obama. And I think if Obama was ahead by ten points right now he might choose Kathleen. But in a two-point race I don't see how you give up a major political card [like a more dynamic pick] to play."

If that's the case, it represents a somewhat paradoxical political development. Several months into the general election, the major battles being waged are over economic policy and the woman vote. Sebelius, a widely respected administrator and one of the nation's most prominent female figures would, on the surface, seem well equipped to charge into that breach.

But outside factors have been at play. Several sources, stating the obvious, argued bluntly that the press and possibly Obama have ruled out Sebelius strictly because of the backlash her nomination would engender among Hillary Clinton supporters. "There is one reason," said a source close to Clinton. "And that's: 'no woman but Hillary.'" Others have argued that Obama's primary need right now is someone with foreign policy gravitas or geographic symbolism.

"A lot of it is pretty sophisticated, good reporters look at this and say, 'I know she has been named, but honestly, what does she bring to the ticket?' said Loomis. "And once they look they don't find that much politically in terms of her helping Obama. She doesn't have the foreign policy or military expertise and she doesn't come from a key state."

In the end, all this could be a moot point. Obama is expected to make his selection in a matter of days and few beyond the most inner circle of his staff know who he'll choose. But should Sebelius get the nod it would, in a way, be a remarkable political feat -- a vice presidential selection process that was navigated with a relatively low amount of speculation and even less expectation.

Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
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Isn't it interesting how many bloggers are commenting on Sebelius' looks. Why does that matter? We're not talking about how hot Biden is...

That guy is a nice piece of tail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 08/19/2008

Sexism is alive and well even among the so called "progressives." Isn't that ironic? Oh and I would "tap" Biden, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Emphasis on so-called...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/20/2008

Sibelius looks like a female James Cromwell.

Craggy, dignified and maybe a tad imperious. A leader from central casting and I mean that in the most positive way.

Why don't her and 0bama switch positions on the ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 08/19/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 37 fans permalink
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Maybe it's time to pick another Hollywood celebrity for President, and let Central Casting select a VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 08/19/2008

Yeah, how about Tom Cruise for POTUS!

Then we could all talk about the science fiction stories of L. Ron Hubbard!

And I mean that in the most positive and supporting way because I, Condawg, am a devoted fan of SF.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

For the most part journalists and bloggers avoided commenting on Hillary's appearance, except for a few references to her signature pantsuits.

The comments I've read about Sebelius would have elicited cries of sexism from Hillary's supporters.

I guess the double standard is acceptable to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/19/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

Of Course HRC is more woman than Eve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 08/19/2008

Hey, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm just here for the fun and games.

But I do think Sibelius has the facial chops to be leader of the free world.

Certainly they're better than W's goofy Alfred E. Neuman smirk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 08/19/2008
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Cromwell or not......I'd tap that!!

Obama '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 08/19/2008
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Have you heard Sebelius speak? Were you able to stay awake?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Many, many more times than you have.

She is warm, spontaneous, engaging and eloquent.

The SOTU was not her usual. I think she was nervous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Warm and engaging is fine for Topeka but she isn't going to be seeing anyplace beyond there anytime soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 08/20/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nHp90Z2NJk

She is not just charming, she is tough. She stood up to the anti-choicers, the power companies, the school board, and President Bush when it counted. She has always done right by Kansas and we love her - people from both parties love her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 08/19/2008
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Agreed! I have supported Sebelius since she ran for governor of Kansas. She is an honest, progressive, consensus-maker who has turned a red state to purple. She inspires and has a thick skin. How else would she have survived KS politics?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 08/19/2008
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You obviously only heard a sound bite once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/19/2008
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Governor Sebelius sounds cool, but if Senator Obama doesn't pick Bob Dylan I'm moving to Saskatchewan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 08/19/2008
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I know a farm for sale in Neilberg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 08/20/2008

Obama is very close to ticking a lot of people off. If he chooses Hillary he has a much better chance of winning. Hillary as veep is better than nothing. I would vote for that ticket.

If he chooses Sebelius it's a slap in the face to HRC supporters-like it or not-it is.

He needs Hillary to push him over the 50% he'll likely get.

Word to the wise...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

Senator Obama has conducted his Campaign with dignity and grace, two words that will never be associated to Hillary and Bill Clinton.

As for ticking people off, since he is bi-racial, I assume he is familiar with "ticking a lot of people off" in his lifetime. Overcoming that BIAS is his specialty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 08/19/2008
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What politician hasn't ticked off a lot of people? Where is this perfect planet these Clinton people live on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 08/19/2008
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a bunch of my Ind and Rep friends who support O said, if he does they will look at Bloomberg/Paul ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Infinitesimal numbers which won't make a difference. Hill brings more than those who would waste their time with that ridiculous billionaire idiot who has ruined NYC with his inane laws or Paul, who isn't that awful except for some of his supposed racist garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/20/2008
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If he picks Hillary he will tick off even more people.
Hillary needs to stay in the senate and get out of the spotlight!

Obama/Sebelius '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/20/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Sorry, the people it would tick off don't matter...
The constituencies he is not reaching are the ones she did...
When she said that was the case in primaries she knew of what she spoke...
So what you want really won't make an ounce of difference...
Still like the idea of Caroline Kennedy...Hill's people would be more than pleased, and it would shock the media pundits...but I doubt Caroline would be interested...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

There are about 10 million New Yorkers who are ticked off by Hillary Clinton...and counting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/20/2008
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I thought Hillary was "breaking the glass ceiling for all women"...apparently only those women who don't pose any threat to her. I'm a New Yorker and the more of this kind of nonsense I see and hear, the less likely I am to vote for her re-election to the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 08/20/2008
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I've said this before, there's one very simple reason why Sebelius won't get the nod: has anyone ever heard her give a speech?

zzzz....zzzz....zzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 08/19/2008
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we aren't looking for entertainment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 08/19/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Again...

If you are basing your opinion on one speech, the SOTU, you don't know her at all.

Here she is introducing Barack to Kansas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nHp90Z2NJk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 08/19/2008
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They have great chemistry! I love seeing them together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/19/2008

The announcement is in Illinois - that means it's going to be Hillary! Hillary is a native of Illinois and she will definitely be the choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/19/2008
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no it's not... he's asked everyone to come on Sat silly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/19/2008
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Someone's baking up a batch of meth in the oven.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 08/19/2008
- BlueBoomer I'm a Fan of BlueBoomer 28 fans permalink

God, it's amazing how many goof-balls there are out there...

OBAMA IS THE JUNIOR SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS...HE LIVES IN ILLINOIS...OF COURSE HE"S ANNOUNCING THERE.

Geez!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/20/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

Sibelius is obviously talented, but she would have to be clearly better than everyone else.

Is she more experienced and capable than Hillary (other than perhaps having no financial problems--and not being married to Bill)? No.

Is she more experienced than Biden? No.

Is she likely to bring a state that Democrats need as much as Virginia (Kaine) or Indiana/Ohio (Bayh)? No.

Are her positives so much stronger than her negatives (i.e. being a woman who's not Hillary, no foreign policy experience, not nationally known)? No.

I think it's pretty clear why Sibelius is no longer on the (very very) short list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 08/19/2008
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""Is she more experienced and capable than Hillary (other than perhaps having no financial problems--and not being married to Bill)? No.""

A governor isn't more experienced than a senator...you actually said that with a straight face?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/19/2008
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I really urge you to actually read up on who Gov. Seb.is!

All those No's of yours are actually Yes's. Please be informed before posting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 08/19/2008
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Uh, those nos were exactly right...one can be informed by the fact that Kansas offers nothing to Obama...no votes, no glory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/20/2008
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Sebelius is beautiful, intelligent and someone that I enjoy listening to. Hillary---on the other hand...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 08/19/2008
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She certainly doesn't have that my way or the highway 'tude either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 08/19/2008
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I think she may be the "one". Obama had double digit leads in the Electoral vote, which Bush knew and his challengers discovered, is the only vote that counts. The key to winning the race is attracting the "middle" voters in the swing states. She can do well with those middle voters and her father was Govenor of the mother of all swing states, Ohio.

Obama polls poorly among white women, KS is a solution to that.

I think he will have the guts to pick "the other woman". The Clinton fringe will then have to vote for McCain or Obama and a woman. So , you think they will penalize Sebelious and not vote for that combo? Not likely -- though there will still be loads of whining, threatening and moaning from the old girl's club of Clintonettes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 08/19/2008
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And if McCain also chooses a woman as his VP, then what? Back to square one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/19/2008

But by that logic, what if McCain does and Obama doesn't?

So it's a bit more than square one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 08/19/2008
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I have been thinking the same for months and sent O mail, I hope he thought it through... it also leaves the idea of a female Pres on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 08/19/2008
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"The Clinton fringe will have to vote McCain or Obama and a woman". Don't bet on that. The Clinton fringe can choose to stay home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 08/20/2008
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Isn't ruling out Sebelius because she is a woman the very definition of sexism?

Have Clinton supporters sunk so low that they have become sexists themselves?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/19/2008
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Y.E.S.

Their cover is blown.

There is a lot of anti-male sexism on the PUMA websites, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/19/2008

The leader of PUMA is a long time McCain donor.

Ye, the fringe minority of Hillarybots are anti-female and a disgrace to women, but they can be ignored. Most Hillary supporters are going with Obama, according to the polls. I look forward to post November, when hopefully both Clintons will never be heard from again, except when Hilary is defeated in her next Senate run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

PUMAs are a reflection of their heroine -- and their FURY emminates FROM HILLARY CLINTON, who could diffuse it at any time.

Senator Clinton (and don't think it gives me pride I voted for her -- twice) feeds on ANGER and DIVIIVENESS. The Clinton White House was rife with it. Hillary Clinton's Campaign was destroyed by it.

Hillary Clinton, the "Goldwater Girl" -- IS the PUMAs. Fused as they are with Rush/Fox "News" (Lanny Davis/Howard Wolfson joined Karl Rove), Mark Penn/Karen Hughes (Bush Inc.'s chief propagandist) -- Hillary is in her element when she and Bill are triangulating interests -- with them at the devious pivot wielding their agenda(s).

Democrats may have had to settle for this in the 90s - and pay a price via the two years lost and Al Gore loss/George W. ascension because of Clinton misconduct -- but we don't have to settlle for this NOW.

Barack Obama will be remembered for ending Clinton Inc.'s attempted (and illegal) 3rd Term. Our Founding Fathers had it right -- as usual. NO DYNASTIES in America. Al Gore couldn't slay this dragon -- but, to the Clintons' dismay and despite their delusional CELEBRATION festivities (Bosnia sniper fire-like) -- where we will ALL party and celebrate them -- based upon a faux-feminism premise (as long as SHE is the only woman entitled to the benefits of feminism) -- the entire world KNOWS who/what she is, now.
May she never return to NYC -- or, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

As a NYC/Manhattan born/bred resident -- I can honestly say -- Hillary Clinton is no victim.

Leveraging us as she has for her PLATFORM FOR AMBITION -- and, embarassing us -- we are her victims. She has not returned since New Yorkers forced our delegation to end her month-long ANGER and RESENTMENT fest.

We have nothing to say to her -- and, since she still doesn't know how to get around Manhattan, she should stay where she is or go back to Arkansas with her kind of people -- as she told us during the Campaign -- which was news to us in this most diverse City and State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 08/19/2008
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That's what it seems to me and it's very sad. I wonder if HRC supporters would go against Mrs.Sebelius if O picked her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/19/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

The answer is a resounding YES. That is what makes Hillary Clinton so TOXIC. Her Campaign -- the gross mismanagement, the unpaid bills, the personal anger, the whinning, the in-your-face-HUSBAND throwing his weight and title around at competitors-reporters-campaign workers-voters ---- and their open THREATS against any other female choice --- have set women back half a century. The grasping and grabbing for POWER -- and refusal to concede and lose with grace -- is the stereotypical woman Presidential Candidate come to life.

Hillary Clinton's Campaign will not be a celebration during the Convention -- or after. The two-term Senator from New York (yes, this is the last and she well knows it), who piggy-backed her husband's career -- has burned the bridge behind her. SHE will be the ONLY woman Presidential Candidate in our lifetime -- OR ELSE. SHE will be respected -- OR ELSE. SHE will tell us all what to do -- or else.

Now, we are ALL Bill -- fused for life, like or not. SHE and only SHE will decide WHEN or IF she is sated. Not the Party, not the voters, not reason....and not the Nation...are the priority.

Hillary Clinton WILL DECIDE...for all of us. Got it???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/19/2008
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favorite post

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 08/19/2008
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Medical science has got to come up with a drug for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 08/19/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

the gross mismanagement, the unpaid bills, the personal anger, the whinning...

Was that last word misspelled a Freudian slip?

Because it WAS her winning in the states that matter...NOT Kansas...that show even now her viability...

The people Obama needed to win the general during the primaries were the ones she won, namely over 50 female, women who reliably vote, unlike some of Obama's fickle and flighty backers, as well as blue collar voters--you know, those bitter ones who didn't care for his arugula shopping at Whole Foods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 08/20/2008
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Hillary Clinton has rolled up the red carpet, ladies. It will be SHE or no other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 08/19/2008
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It's not that she's a woman. It's that she's a woman who's not obviously stronger as a candidate than Hillary (or Kaine, Bayh, or Biden).

I like her, too. But other than the commendable job in getting KS to elect a Democratic governor, she doesn't have AS MUCH to recommend her as the other three mentioned (or, Clinton financial improprieties aside, than Hillary).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/19/2008
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Second post I've seen from you today that's gotten under my skin.

You should consider her Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan ties to start with, then move on to her actual elected experience, including her door slam on the healthcare lobby.

Then maybe you can look up her veterans bill of rights, the KS national guard, disaster response, and her work on foreign trade.

And then you might consider that she's a pro-choice Catholic who's been in elected office since the 1980s.

Try reading up on her first please - your HillBilly fig leaf is showing...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 08/19/2008
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Even if he wanted to pick Hillary what would they do with Bill. He would keep the campaign in total turmoil and create a disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 08/19/2008
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oh dear, best keep the Cs happy I guess...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 08/19/2008
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Sadly yes they are holding the party hostage; you'd think that a past CIC would be more gracious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/19/2008
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How will the PUMAs be able to continue claiming Obama is sexist if he chooses a woman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/19/2008
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excellent point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 08/19/2008
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I wasn't aware that the PUMA argument was sexism by Obama; I thought they were charging sexism by the media, resulting in nomination of a less qualified candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 08/19/2008
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Thank you, Oldtt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 08/20/2008
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...as well as the morons on here who still write their vitriolic women-hating drivel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 08/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 95 fans permalink

...or, as with the mystery of who built the Pyramids...WHY don't the PUMAs pay Hillary's bills???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 08/20/2008
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Oh, that's Kathleen Sebelius in the photo.

For a minute, I thought it was John Kerry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 08/19/2008
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What would you say if the prospective female VP was exceptionally attractive ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 08/19/2008
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I think Sebelius is exceptionally lovely. Wouldn't be surprised if she was president one day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 08/19/2008

To be fair, maybe Timmy thinks John Kerry is exceptionally attractive and was complimenting Sebelius.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 08/19/2008
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That she looks like John Edwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 08/19/2008
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Not funny. What's necessary is for our leaders to be as principled and selfless as they can be, and both Obama and Sebelius represent that ideal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 08/19/2008
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Do all tall slender people look alike to you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 08/19/2008
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PUMAs probably think the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/19/2008

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 08/19/2008
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HILLARY IS THE ONLY WOMAN THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED....otherwise, we are JUMPING over to McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 08/19/2008
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Hillary will never accept to be on thesame ticket as empty suit Obambi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 08/19/2008

lol...now you know that's not true

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 08/19/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/19/2008
- daddydamon I'm a Fan of daddydamon 3 fans permalink

you're crazy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 08/19/2008

So Clinton is more important than women?

It really makes me sad how many people think that way. It's unbelievably petty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/19/2008
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That's not selfish at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/19/2008
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