Afghan militants kill 10 French, strike at US base

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JASON STRAZIUSO and AMIR SHAH | August 19, 2008 08:05 PM EST | AP

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A armoured vehicle of French troops patrol in Surobi, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2008. About 100 insurgents ambushed a group of French paratroopers outside Kabul, sparking a battle that killed 10 of the soldiers in the biggest loss of life for international forces in combat in Afghanistan in more than three years, officials said Tuesday. French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced that he would immediately fly to Kabul. (AP Photo/Rafiq Maqbool)

SUROBI, Afghanistan — Insurgents mounted two of the biggest attacks in years on Western forces in Afghanistan, killing 10 French soldiers in a mountain ambush and then sending a squad of suicide bombers in a failed assault early Tuesday on a U.S. base near the Pakistan border.

The audacious strikes suggested a bolder insurgency is now willing to launch frontal assaults on U.S. and NATO troops.

Only months ago, militants shied away from large-scale attacks because of the heavy losses they could incur when jet fighters appeared overhead, NATO and U.S. officials said.

But the Taliban and other militant groups appear increasingly willing to commit large numbers of foot soldiers to onslaughts that attempt to overwhelm small groups of U.S. and NATO troops. Just last month, some 200 militants attacked a small U.S. outpost in Afghanistan's eastern mountains, penetrating its perimeter and killing nine American soldiers.

The suicide attack Tuesday on Camp Salerno, the U.S. base that serves as the logistics hub for the war's eastern front, began just after midnight when a team of attackers dressed in military fatigues was spotted on the horizon.

Afghan and U.S. forces confronted the militants some 1,000 yards from the base entrance, while fighter aircraft attacked from the air. Once surrounded, three suicide bombers blew themselves up, and three more were shot to death, NATO said in a statement. It said a seventh militant was also killed and two NATO soldiers were wounded.

The French soldiers were on a reconnaissance mission when they were ambushed Monday afternoon by a force of about 100 militants in the mountains of Surobi, an insurgent redoubt 30 miles east of the Afghan capital of Kabul.

France's top military official, Gen. Jean-Louis Georgelin, said most of the French casualties came in the minutes after the soldiers ascended a mountain pass. Battles ensued and 21 French soldiers were wounded.

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French Defense Minister Herve Morin said about 30 militants were killed and 30 wounded, while Afghan officials said at least 13 militants were killed. Taliban fighters and militants allied to renegade warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar operate in Surobi.

It was the deadliest attack on international troops in Afghanistan since June 2005, when 16 American soldiers were killed when their helicopter was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade.

The high casualties prompted French President Nicolas Sarkozy to immediately board a plane for Afghanistan. France is sending 700 more soldiers to Afghanistan this month, and the deaths could heighten domestic opposition to the plan.

"In its fight against terrorism, France has just been struck severely," Sarkozy said in a statement, adding: "My determination remains intact."

The back-to-back attacks came only hours after the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Maj. Gen. Jeffery J. Schloesser, warned in a rare public announcement that intelligence indicated militants planned to launch attacks Monday.

Seth Jones, an analyst at the Washington-based RAND Corp., said the latest attacks "targeting U.S. and other NATO forces, and Afghan forces, have become larger and bolder, and they include direct, almost conventional-style attacks."

"In late 2006 and into 2007, there was a much greater reluctance among the Taliban and other groups to carry out these conventional-style attacks," said Jones, who travels frequently to Afghanistan. The new operations indicate "they clearly believe they are winning now, and it's caused them to be a bit more audacious."

Nearly seven years after a U.S.-led offensive toppled a Taliban regime, the surge in violence is a blow for the Afghan government of President Hamid Karzai, who has struggled to exert control and draw away support from the insurgents.

Karzai told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he plans to seek re-election next year, saying he needs to do more to pursue his goal of rebuilding Afghanistan into "peaceful prosperous country" able to stand on its own.

He conceded during the interview that the country still doesn't have a functioning government, corruption remains rampant and the Afghan people "suffer massively" from the fighting.

This year will likely be the deadliest for international troops since the 2001 invasion. Some 178 international soldiers, including about 96 Americans, have died in Afghanistan this year, according to an Associated Press count. That pace should far surpass the record 222 international troop deaths in 2007.

The attack on Camp Salerno came a day after a suicide car bombing outside the U.S. base killed 10 Afghan civilians and wounded 13 others.

Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi, the Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman, offered a slightly different death toll for Tuesday's suicide attack. He said six militants blew themselves up when cornered and seven other militants died in the explosions and a rolling gun battle. Five Afghan soldiers were wounded, he said.

A Taliban spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, said 15 militants were dispatched for the attack, and seven blew themselves up, while eight returned to a Taliban safehouse. Mujahid also claimed responsibility for the attack on the French troops.

President Bush, briefed at his Texas ranch about the French deaths, offered a "heartfelt thanks for the sacrifice that they are making and the commitment that the French are making to help secure Afghanistan," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

State Department spokesman Robert Wood noted that Sarkozy restated his country's resolve to support international forces. "It's important to remember that we are all engaged in a serious effort to bring about a stable Afghanistan," Wood said.

Jones, the RAND analyst, said insurgents are benefiting from a learning process that comes with years of fighting. They are exploiting vulnerable spots more effectively and increasingly using intelligence to their advantage. Safe havens in Pakistan also aid their effectiveness, he said.

An Afghan official said earlier Tuesday that four French soldiers had been captured and killed. But Georgelin, the French general, denied that during a news conference in Paris.

More than 3,400 people _ mostly militants _ have been killed in insurgency-related violence this year, according to an Associated Press count based on figures from Western and Afghan officials.

France's new troop deployment will bring the country's force in Afghanistan to 2,600. Sarkozy announced the new forces in April, after the United States pressed its NATO allies to shoulder a heavier part of the combat in Afghanistan.

The French deaths were the highest for that country in an attack since clashes in Bouake, Ivory Coast, in 2004.

Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner insisted, "France will continue to assume its responsibilities in favor of a democratic and peaceful Afghanistan, and in the fight against terrorism."

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Associated Press writers Jason Straziuso, Rahim Faiez and Fisnik Abrashi in Kabul contributed to this report.

SUROBI, Afghanistan — Insurgents mounted two of the biggest attacks in years on Western forces in Afghanistan, killing 10 French soldiers in a mountain ambush and then sending a squad of suicide...
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Wow,

Americans die in a war and you all want to surrender. French people die in a war and you all want blood. What gives? Are hippies peaceful or not?!?

Seems that people here care more about fighting for France than for America. Aren't we allies?

I am sick of these war mongering liberals. Packistan too? Oh my God!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 08/20/2008
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Build a strawman and then set it on fire. How fun!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 08/20/2008
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You're insane. Oh yeah, I don't do tro// links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 08/20/2008

More brave men will die. I remember the Taliban harbored Osama Bin Latin and he admitted several times he caused the attacks in New York that killed thousands. I do not want war, but they started the war and want us dead. Do you think if we were to leave and the Taliban and Al Queda in power they would leave us alone? The answer to that is no. Thus they want war, so we give them war, if they want peace , we give them peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 08/20/2008
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because who died and collectively made you God?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 08/20/2008
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Were the french helping us in afghanastan before we started eating freedom fries?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 08/20/2008
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Herein lies the problem, they don't get to dictate to us how we will proceed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 08/20/2008

> The audacious strikes suggested a bolder insurgency is now willing to launch frontal assaults on U.S. and NATO troops.

Ummm... didn't the same thing happen just a couple weeks back, but to US soldiers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 08/20/2008

I hope the French will wake up and say "why are we in Afghanistan"? Why are they? Oh yes. Bush &Co. But still why, the French, in Afghanistan? Well yes, Sarkosy, best friend Bush &Co. Worked out well for Blair and Co? didn't it? Ah, NATO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 08/19/2008

These wars must stop! I am sooooooooooo pised off that I could scream!
John McCain and all his "we must stay in Iraq and Afghanistan" makes me want to puke - and he will take us right into a war with Russia.
A vote for McCain is a vote for WAR!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 08/19/2008

These freaking wars must stop now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And anyone that votes for McCain is supporting these wars!
NO MORE WAR!!!!!
FU John McCain and all his glorious war mongering talk. FU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/19/2008
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Mes plus sincères et profondes condoléances aux familles de ces braves soldats qui n'ont perdu leurs vies pour rien sauf l'impérialisme américaine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 08/19/2008

Oui, therese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 08/19/2008
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oui son très triste

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/20/2008

Time for Obamas' Surge to kick in and bring Afganistan back under control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 08/19/2008

The Bush/McCain policy of invading Afghanistan along with Iraq shows what it means to take on too much at once.

In Iraq, the Bush Administration didn't commit enough troops and allowed an insurgency to take its time and learn to make better bombs, as it developed more sophistication. The US is still dealing with that.

In Afghanistan, the US didn't maximize the pressure it could have put on the Taliban, allowing them to develop more sophistication and make better bombs. It couldn't do more than that because it needed the troops in Iraq. The US is just starting to deal with that.

Now, something going on in, say, Georgia, leaves the US with just one troop, Condie Rice. The others are busy dealing with the messes we allowed to grow in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 08/19/2008

geneven -- the U.S. had no business in either places. We could have spent the money to help these people not destroy them. No matter what the "geopolitical reasons", in these cases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 08/19/2008
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What is ironic here is no one is showing any sympathy for French or American troops

Guess we no WAR is a b-i-t-c-h

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 08/19/2008

I have nothing but sympathy for the familes of all the troops who've died in this inane war! Nationality has no priority when it comes to grieving and these families need our support. I just hope we're not so caught up in the politics of this war that we forget those who have sacrificed so much, no mater what country they are from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/19/2008
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Ditto

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 08/20/2008

In my humble opinion, perhaps it is time we Americans, focus all energies and resources to making America stronger by turning 'inward' meaning let's look into our country first by departing from the failed policies this administration has pushed relentlessly. Instead we should begin in our country by investing in renewable and alternative energy sources; revitalizing our economy including investing money on technology and medicine; making our military stronger not through weapons build-up but putting more money on education and benefits; and as citizens we can continually support (financially) citizen groups like Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and media watchdogs such as mediamatters.org to name a few. After we "fix" our problems here in our country then we can look outward and help those who are in need not necessarily through the military but other humane missions. You will say this is an oversimplification and that we are continually becoming a global community and how do we deflect attacks on United States and its citizens? Maybe if we improve ourselves and our country first then there wouldn"t be too many terrorists and anti-Americans out there. We hardly have the resources to fight all wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 08/19/2008

Why are we spending so much money on military bases all around the world? Yes, there are bad people out there, but police are there to do the job, aren't they? Why don't we spend money helping these poor people so that they want to help themselves, and not be angry at us? Yes, how naive of me, but why not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/19/2008

Wake up folks. The Russians who are right next door to Afghanistan poured in hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives, only to leave with nothing to show for it except loss of money, lives, & prestige. America is doing the same thing except that it's ten times more expensive for us given the distance (they're even Fed'Exing bottled water over there fer chrissakes...). The real question is whether the US should borrow more money from the Chinese (on top of the $2 billion PER DAY we already borrow) to finance this fantasy. If it was somehow in our national interest to own a piece of rocky mountainous terrain on the other side of the world with NO OIL then we might say it was worth it. It's not. And if we're there because we're fighting Muslim extremism, well then that's a police, intelligence, and marketing/PR effort, not tanks and missiles and other Cold War hardware blowing up innocent civilians. Simple decision really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/19/2008
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I'm pretty sure the military effort is just the tip of the iceberg, and the USA is NOT the only country involved.

Afghanistan is really a collective effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/19/2008
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Afghanistan also has a border with China, don't forget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 08/19/2008

Russians got the junk hardware blown by trained operators of stinger missiles. We learned that lesson in Vietnam and are way beyond that. How about borrowing from China to pay all the bloated state employees with sick pensions? The Environmental fees, litigation? Blowing up civilians in a war? How untidy. Get this, war is untidy by nature and our troops have been almost surgically clean dealing with the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 08/19/2008
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Those "trained operators of stinger missiles" turned into the people we're fighting there today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 08/20/2008
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For all intents and purposes, we really shouldn't be in Afghainstan either. We won't win and can't. Pakistan refuses to do anything about Al Queda on her territory and Afghans have a history of throwing out occupiers, invaders and those who claim they want to help her. Women's positions in Afghan society are as worse as they've ever been and Afghanistan will never become the democracy Bush and yes, democrats are proclaiming it will be. Sooner or later it all comes to this--more death and more destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 08/19/2008
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to make matters more interesting, Musharraf just resigned. You can rest assured the next incumbent will not be arm twisted by America. It's trickier than the average tro// can even fathom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 08/19/2008
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The 'border' between Afghanistan and Pakistan is an artificial one imposed, like so much in the region, by the brits. The part they were able to pacify when they conquored became pakistan and the part that they couldn't became afghanistan. However, that line ran right down the middle of Pashtun territory. To them, and to everyone else in the area, the base social unit was the tribe, not the nation.

And that's what they still think. The government of Pakistan exists because of a detente with the 'tribal' areas. The government in Islamabad doesn't try and control things in the tribal lands, and the tribes don't revolt or go to war. Everybody happy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 08/19/2008
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yep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 08/20/2008
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Who were the attackers?? The Taliban or one of the contractors? Who is Gordon Johndroe? Why should we believe anything ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 08/19/2008

I cant wait until Obama gets in office and brings "the Surge" to these a-holes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 08/19/2008
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Amen! Preach Brother!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 08/19/2008
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Insurgent Defined

1: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent

TALIBAN, LET ME SEE WERE THEY NOT THE ESTABLISHED GOVERNMENT AND AUTHORITY BEFORE THE EXTERNAL INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN

GUESS IT ONLY DEPENDS IF HE FIELD IS LEVEL OR SLIGHTED OR BLIND OR CAN SEE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 08/19/2008
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I don't know where you live, but the Taliban government of Afghanistan was a totalitarian or theocratic dictatorship.

Nothing is perfect, but when they blew up the Bam statues, you know Buddha got pissed. (and as twins, you know what they were aiming for).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 08/19/2008

What ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/19/2008
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Fact not opinion

Opinion does not win wars, but facts might keep you out of them

That is why we have 2 going on today

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 08/19/2008
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Obama don't surge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/19/2008

LOL...sorry, but I don't believe for a minute he'll do any better than anyone else. Reason being, the people, the country and the region in general. When you've been at war amongst yourselves for hundreds of years and can't agree, but temporarily, on any common ground; how do you ever have peace, freedom, and stability? Too many factions with different agendas and beliefs. Right now the US brings them together. We are the invader and the endangerment of Islam, the infidels. Once we leave, doesn't matter who's left in charge, they fight again until one emerges...the one whose most ruthless, dangerous and is supported by the rest of the region because they are like him or afraid of what he can bring down on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 08/19/2008

the map has Turkey neighboring Afghanistan in the Northwest instead of Iran, maybe this is the John McCain's map for US-Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 08/19/2008
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