Barack Obama: Egghead?

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First Posted: 08-20-08 12:29 AM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama begins most of his speeches with the claim that voters will have a crucial choice to make on November 4: "We meet at a moment when this country is facing a set of challenges unlike any we've ever known."

During debates Obama - the former University of Chicago professor of constitutional law -- keeps his head tilted thoughtfully, as if in a seminar. His answers weave in and out, sometimes incisively, sometimes evasively. When pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church asked Obama last Saturday if life begins at conception, Obama's 210 word response, or perhaps, non-response ran as follows:

From a theological perspective or scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade. But let me speak more generally about this issue because this is something obviously the country wrestles with. One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of is there is a moral and ethical content to this issue. So I think that anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties and gravity of the abortion issue I think is not paying attention. So that would be point number one.


But point number two, I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade and come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because ultimately I don't think women make these decisions casually. They wrestle with these things in profound ways, in consultation with their pastors or spouses or their doctors or the family members.

And so, for me, the goal right now should be - and this is where I think we can find common ground, and by the way I have now inserted this into the Democratic Party platform - is how do we reduce the number of abortions, because the fact is that although we've had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.

There are legions of voters who clearly thrive on the considered intellectual approach that has characterized Obama's presidential bid, finding it his core appeal. There are potential costs, however, according to a number of political observers. Obama's cerebral style and anti-war stance can be seen as detached, condescending, or even worse "effete" in the opinion of some -- potentially evoking the diminishing enthusiasm that undermined the Democratic campaigns of Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Bradley, Gore, and Kerry.

The McCain campaign has aggressively capitalized on this perceived vulnerability in Obama's performance, portraying him as disengaged from the high-pressure concerns central to the working and middle class. In the commercial "Family" the McCain campaign asks, "Is the biggest celebrity in the world ready to help your family?"

More recently, McCain has escalated his attack to suggest that Obama as an intellectual cannot grasp the military concept of victory.

Not content to merely predict failure in Iraq, my opponent tried to legislate failure. This was back when supporting America's efforts in Iraq entailed serious political risk. It was a clarifying moment. It was a moment when political self-interest and the national interest parted ways....
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Thanks to the courage and sacrifice of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines and to brave Iraqi fighters, the surge has succeeded. And yet Senator Obama still cannot quite bring himself to admit his own failure in judgment....Even in retrospect, he would choose the path of retreat and failure for America over the path of success and victory. In short, both candidates in this election pledge to end this war and bring our troops home. The great difference is that I intend to win it first.

There are a number of analysts who see Obama as vulnerable on this front:

Derek Shearer, Occidental College Professor of Diplomacy and World Affairs and Ambassador to Finland in the Clinton administration said, succinctly, "He is way too 'Harvard'."

Professor Caroline Heldman, also a political scientist at Occidental, said she is "concerned that Obama may be increasingly framed as 'not manly enough' by the Republican Party/ McCain Camp." The presidency, she said, "is conflated with masculinity in the minds of most Americans. In short, a great way to weaken a presidential opponent is to subtly 'feminize' him."

Democratic lobbyist Lawrence F. Obrien, III said: "People like to say he is a black Jack Kennedy. Fine, up to a point. Kennedy was smart, elegant, very well spoken, slim, handsome -- but, he also was Irish. Sharp, quick and abundant sense of humor, able to make contact with people."

"Obama's fundamental problem with voters is that he sometimes comes across as an elitist who talks down to them, dismissing their worries and telling them what they really should be concerned about. Voters don't like being addressed in this manner," said Emory political scientist Merle Black, an expert on the Republican realignment of the South.

Ron Kaufman, former political aide to George H. W. Bush, acknowledged that Obama "clearly connects with a ton of folks, but so did almost-President Howard Dean. The polls continue to say that this is tied. Obama should be 15-20 points ahead. The fact that he is not should worry them . . . . I honestly believe Obama may have a glass jaw."

On the other side, a substantial number of political specialists contend that Obama does not have a significant problem on this front.

"Barack Obama needs to work hard to win white working class voters. But, thankfully, he's not Adlai Stevenson; John McCain is not Dwight Eisenhower; and today's America is not the America of the 1950's," said David Kusnet, former chief speechwriter in the Clinton administration and author of the new book Love the Work, Hate the Job: Why America's Best Workers are Unhappier than Ever (Wiley, 2008).

"Obama was a community organizer in a neighborhood where the steel mills had shut down. Obama does know how to address economic grievances and also how to connect these complaints with the sense that our democracy is as broken as our economy. Obama needs to continue fleshing out his economic agenda and contrast it with McCain's halfhearted embrace of Bush's failed policies. But his elevated rhetoric and down-to-earth policy prescriptions can reinforce each other, as they did with FDR and JFK," Kusnet said.

Another Clinton speechwriter, Michael Cohen, author of Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the Twentieth Century and How They Shaped Modern America (Bloomsbury, June 2008), contended: "The kind of rhetoric that Obama is employing below is really not that out of kilter in a change election. In fact it's pretty standard. I think this call for more specifics is hugely overrated and unnecessary. On the issues Obama is favored, particularly domestic issues, the big questions are really about personality and intangibles, like experience."

Princeton political scientist Nolan McCarty noted the he has had "friends and colleagues comment on the possibility that Obama could become the egghead candidate," but, McCarthy countered, "the current administration has given anti-intellectualism a bad name....With the outcomes of that kind of know-nothingism on display, the Republicans may find it harder to criticize Obama for being an intellectual (though they may find other ways to paint him as an elitist)."

Political scientist Jennifer Lawless of Brown said that in 2002, she found "that stereotyping about candidate competence to govern in a political context dominated by the 'war on terrorism' may work to the detriment of women candidates, at least at the presidential level. It wasn't that candidates have to be 'manly,' but rather, that traditional conceptions of strong leaders tend to be more consistent with images of male, as opposed to female, politicians."

Now, however, Lawless is not sure the same finding would hold:

Considering that public opinion regarding the war [has become] so negative, it is possible that a more 'unconventional leadership,' at least in terms of stereotypes, might be appealing to the average voter. In this way, a candidate like Obama might have an edge over McCain, if for no reason other than the fact that Obama represents something very different from George Bush and his rhetoric regarding war -- i.e., 'looking the terrorists in the eye' and 'smoking them out of their caves' didn't turn out the way most Americans would have liked.

Obama recently responded to McCain's assaults: "We've got work to do," he told supporters in Albuquerque on August 18. "[C]ontrary to what John McCain's advisers will say, we are not a bunch of whiners. We will suck it up."

On television, Obama has begun to directly counter-attack McCain on the issue of who is in touch with the middle class.

One of the more recent Obama commercials, Book, begin with the announcer saying "Economics by John McCain. Support George Bush 95 percent of the time. Keep spending $10 billion a month for the war in Iraq while the Iraqis sell oil for record prices giving Iraq a $79 billion oil surplus and hurting our economy. Barack Obama's plan: end the war responsibly, better schools, no more tax breaks for oil companies. Barack Obama: the middle class first."


Barack Obama begins most of his speeches with the claim that voters will have a crucial choice to make on November 4: "We meet at a moment when this country is facing a set of challenges unlike any we...
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- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 81 fans permalink
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We've already conceded the "dumb" vote to McSame and his cheating and platitudes.

Bush's presidency has been a real education for most thinking Americans. This time around they won't be fooled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/20/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Sure, "thinking Americans won't be fooled" -- that isn't the problem. The problem is that, intelligence aside, Obama is not projecting an "executive" message. He needs to work on putting away his communication style of the 'professor' in favor of the FDR (or even Reagan) style of bold, commanding, pithy rhetoric. He has that ability to speak that message, but he has been going back to 'professor Obama' and that can spell trouble when translated to the general electorate.

The deciding factor will be what style he chooses for the Presidential debates. Will he be a Ronald Reagan communicator or an overly elaborate John Kerry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ajegunle I'm a Fan of Ajegunle 25 fans permalink

AMERICANS ARE TERMINALLY STUCK ON STUPID.
WE'VE HAD A PRESIDENT WHOSE STUPIDITY HAS CAUSED THIS COUNTRY GREAT PAINS. NOW WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO VOTE IN A VISIONARY AND INTELLIGENT PRESIDENT INTO OFFICE; NOW HE IS TOO SMART (OR MAYBE TOO BLACK).

IF YOU VOTE IN MCCAIN; YOU WILL PROVE THAT WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

That's right.......If we think Obama is wrong we are racist uneducated bigots! Obama will lose because he is wrong on the issues that matter to people.

Just because Dems are having buyers remorse, they should not attack the good american people and this great nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 08/20/2008
- mounthood I'm a Fan of mounthood 5 fans permalink

On which issues is Obama wrong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

That's right.......If we think Obama is wrong we are racist uneducated bigots! Obama will lose because he is wrong on the issues that matter to people.

Just because Dems are having buyers remorse, they should not attack the good american people and this great nation. Damn silly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/20/2008

Here! Here! I encourage everyone who agrees with Ajegunle and I to go to CafePress.com and treat themselves to a new bumber sticker/tshirt... it reads Obama 08 - Because this time I want a SMART president! It will be the best few dollars ever spent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 08/20/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Hmm. I'm not sure if a hundred or even a million of said t-shirts are going to change the electorate's mind. We can paste bumper stickers to all of our cars, but if Obama isn't translating well with the general electorate, people will dismiss the message.

Barack Obama needs to create a simple, clear, distinct, assertive message. If he remains overly exhaustive in his communication style during the Presidential debates, he's going to have a real problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 34 fans permalink

That does scare me as well. I don't know if this nation is better than McCain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/20/2008
- Xenopus I'm a Fan of Xenopus 33 fans permalink

How sad that being intellectual and thinking through your answers is a negative when running for President. To be well spoken is being high handed and snooty. How sad that having rehearsed simplistic remarks of a negative tone is what it takes to win. In other words, the electorate is so dumbed-down that the only person who can win enough votes for the highest office in the land must be a mediocre "ah sucks" type who is loose with the truth, uses name calling, and who promises things he can't deliever as long as he smiles and tells a few jokes. Golly "my friends", isn't that what we've had in office for the past 8 years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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It is sad, but if we ignore this reality then we could end up with another neoconservative, Rovian Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 08/20/2008
- vernbvb I'm a Fan of vernbvb 29 fans permalink
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This article points out some very interesting facts which probably contribute to why Obama is not doing much better in the polls. He is a cerebral and thoughtful person which is just what this country needs at this time. No, he is not tough sounding like Bush or McCain but he makes more sense than either of them. But the real problem is that no matter how much we are hurting in America, we like a good game and entertainment. It appears as though our tendency to gravitate toward the hyped up player might hurt us once again.

Obama needs to get fired up, roll up his sleeves, get a little dirty (but not nasty), and use more direct and succinct language that will appeal to a broader audience. He does appear to be an egghead but let's face it - race also matters . Some think he appears uppity while others think he is condescending. Those of us who labored hard to achieve (minorities) understand exactly what is going on. Within your race you had to tone it down and around the majority race you had to tone it down but for different reasons. We have made some progress but there is much work to be done. Understanding that many elements help our diverse population make decisions,Obama needs to become that quarterback for the democratic party who inspires, informs, and tells the republicans in no uncertain terms-"Not in our house".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/20/2008

So after the last 8 years of a Frat boy preznit... isn't it TIME for a Prof?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 08/20/2008

Kerry has worse grades than Bush ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 08/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 293 fans permalink

He wasn't president. Keep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/20/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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Kerry was president of the debate team. No One has worse grades the boosh, except maybe, mcfail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/20/2008
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Don't you think Boooshie's grades had something to do w/ Daddy taking care of them? or as he refers to his own father as "41"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 34 fans permalink

The fix was in to get Bush to graduate. He could not qualify for a quality prep school in Dallas and was shipped to Andover Prep where he could be admitted. Granted, Andover is one of the best prep schools going but it would admit bush based on his father's and grandfather's family "Prescott Bush" legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/20/2008
- mounthood I'm a Fan of mounthood 5 fans permalink

Frat boy who almost flunked out of Annapolis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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"Obama's cerebral style and anti-war stance can be seen as detached, condescending, or even worse "effete" in the opinion of some"

Yup, Americans are terminally stuck on stupid. Even after experiencing the consequences of electing dimwitted ignoramuses they seem ready to go right out and do it again. Why? Because McCain is "a guy like us." Because "I feel like I'd like to have a beer with him."

Screw that. I don't WANT a president to have a beer with. I have plenty of other guys I can have a beer with. I want a president who has the BRAINS and the KNOWLEDGE and the CHARACTER and the INTEGRITY to be a good chief executive.

We are NOT picking the queen of the frigging senior prom here, people. Wise up. If that's possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

I'm voting on the issues like most people, and obama just isn't making an impact. he's wrong on the issues as has no moral judgement.....like hangin out in a racist church for 20 years....like Rezco, Wright, and let's not forget the ex terrorists........his friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- kcam44 I'm a Fan of kcam44 13 fans permalink
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boo hoo..keep trying the old talking points of Sean Hannity and the right-wingers..no one cares but you...we have moved on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 08/20/2008
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Ok, lets see - someone who calls his wife a c$&nt, someone who cheats on his first wife WITH second wife, someone who puts up second wife as an offering to the bear guzzlin', wet t-shirt contest grizzlies, oh and he PURSUES an hypocritical anti-Semetic preacher, lies about where he was during a forum at a CHURCH, and proceeds to plagiarize a story of "his" experience as a "Christian" POW.
Yeah, that's some SOUND moral judgement there.

Thanks...but no thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 08/20/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 34 fans permalink

Get an education!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

both candidates are bad.......I wish we could start over for both with new candidates.......I will just have to pick the better of 2 evils........McCain has my vote....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 08/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 293 fans permalink

That choice does not speak well of your intellect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 08/20/2008
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I wish we could go back to 2000 and get our REAL president back. (Minus the vice-presidential p(r)ick. )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 34 fans permalink

Why a new republican candidate? Your party would just give us another Bush/McCain. Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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obama is thoughtful. we don't want thoughtful in a president now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/20/2008
- Strywever I'm a Fan of Strywever 30 fans permalink

Haven't you heard? We want people who think and speak only in bullet points and who would be fun to have a beer with. Depressing, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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yes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

O-o-bama is th-th-thoughtful? How about 'calculating'? That was the knock on Hillary when she was able to speak extensively on any subject with a depth of knowledge that we don't really see with Obama. He rarely says anything we don't already know. He keeps it pretty superficial for his 'well educated base'. It's unfair to call someone 'elite' who says 'the devil is in the details' or 'it's above my pay grade' as he did in the recent church forum. Where have I heard that before?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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now he's calculating! you don't want calculating in a president why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/20/2008

He also has the intellectual discease. When confronted with large amounts of information and conflicting objectives, clear, logical analysis may not solve the problem and instincts based on experience has to kick in to make a final decision. Some intellectuals, perhaps many professors are trained to offer on one-hand and on the other-hand type of analysis without reaching a conclusion. That is fine and how it should be in academics but in real life you have to make decisions, not just point out the nuances of the issue like Obama did on the starting of life question at Saddlebrook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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''the intellectual discease''? wtf?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 08/20/2008
- prittfumes I'm a Fan of prittfumes 2 fans permalink
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Thoughtful is fine by me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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well, that's two votes!! say pfumes, please pass the word would ya: obama's got brains! then let's hope that sells...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 08/20/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

BO can be very thoughtful i agree......just his thoughts go extreme liberal.....hell I believe McCain is to liberal........that being said McCain is the least liberal and in turn has my vote.......

I don't want nationalized health care. It is a bad idea.....
i don't want higher taxes.......

just to name a couple of things

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 08/20/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 91 fans permalink
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hillary wants mandatory welfare, mccain wants mandatory warfare, and obama wants neither to be without a choice. and where is defending an illegal invasion endearing you to mccain? and 3,if you don't want higher taxes vote obama unless of course you're making over $250,000. r u making over $250,000? yeah me too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/20/2008

john McCain is the rep Dukakis. landslide Obama, McCain has no chance. you guys can compare your dumb ass polls al day ,but theres nothing you can do about, landslides 10-15 points and taking some real red states i love it . dont cry you aint gonna steel it . the repulicans havent won since 1988. nobody is scared and everbodies broke. landslide ......landslide........... landslide

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 08/20/2008
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As a non-citizen who have lived in this country for pretty much all my life, I will say Americans you sure are dumb. You keep voting for the same idiots over and over and over again, so you can keep on with the status quo.

Now don't blame McCain when he's president for the economy to continue to tank while China is paying for your debt, when your house is in foreclosure, gas prices and food prices going up, and you continue to pump money, billions, trillions into a war you believe you're gonna win when you've lost. FACE REALITY. McCain is a filthy rich politician who's only there to help his rich friends. If you think not voting for Obama just because he's black and you're excuse is he's inexperience when really there have been many white politicians you voted for with very little experience, ex. JFK, Schwatzenegger, Bloomberg, Reagan, then Americans you deserve what's happening to you. You voted for it.

Millions of you out there voted for Bush and re-elected him into office. You know who you are. You're getting what you asked for. If I had voted for Bush 2x, I would've own up to it and blame myself.

Blame yourselves America
Blame yourselves

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

If you think this is such a bad place why haven't you ever emigrated somewhere else? My immigrant family loves this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 08/20/2008
- hawkeye58 I'm a Fan of hawkeye58 2 fans permalink

I don't see where he said he though America was a bad place. He simply pointed out the truth. This country elected GW two times. Half this country thinks McCain would make a good president when he the same policies as GW which got us into the mess in the first place.
I'll take the so-called in experience of Obama over the so-called experienced decisions of McCain.
One of his recent decisions:
After distancing himself from Phil Graham, he chose Carly Fiorina as his cheif economic advisor. The same Carly Fiorina who cut profits in half and caused large job losses at Hewlett Packard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 08/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 293 fans permalink

A gay republican? I can't imagine why anyone thinks you have a low IQ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 08/20/2008
- Strywever I'm a Fan of Strywever 30 fans permalink

She isn't saying America is a "bad place." Criticizing our country's failures and weaknesses is a responsibility EVERY American citizen shares, because it is the only way we can begin to fix them. But sadly, that responsibility is one most of us have chosen to neglect for far too long. It is truly pathetic when people who are not citizens have to show us the way -- and we mock them for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 08/20/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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"Blaming" America isn't exactly constructive nor will it get the results you desire.

Keep in mind too that we have an education system that needs a serious overhaul. I'm not excusing the American people for being vacuous, but it is a significant factor to consider when trying to understand the current state of the electorate.

Obama does need to be more cognizant of his "wordiness" and work on honing his clarity of speech. To ignore that is to lose this election. I think he can do that. But he does need an "intervention".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/20/2008

Only 22% of German women have college degrees - it is about 50% in the US. And that makes the US vacuous!! The way the US has always succeeded is by having relatively few people who went through the rigors of top education while others chose to pursue their variety of interests. Many people don't even care about politics and that is why the turnout is only around 50%. Too many intellectuals like too many cooks spoil the broth!!! They spawn carefully contructed do-good policies but forget to account for unintended consequences. Take the 35 hour workweek in France for example. Who could argue with that from a quality of like point of view? But it is being dismantled because of unintended consequences!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 08/20/2008
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As a non-citizen this is above your pay grade. We do elect idiots over and over. And we still do better than the rest of the world. Please don't overstay you visa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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"And we still do better than the rest of the world."

Oh really? In what ways? Have you ever even been outside of this country? Americans put up with crap that NO OTHER DEVELOPED NATION IN THE WORLD would tolerate.

Screw it -- if Americans are dumb enough to elect McBush they'll deserve what they'll get, but I don't. I'm leaving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 08/20/2008

We do better than the rest of the world, at what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- Strywever I'm a Fan of Strywever 30 fans permalink

That is a truly ridiculous and sadly typical "only Americans count" response. Who we elect has impact all over the world. Of course people outside our borders are concerned about this! It could mean the difference between war and peace in their countries, or between economic expansion or retraction, or any number of other potential impacts *they* will have to deal with due to *our* decision.

Furthermore, you made yourself look ignorant. You do realize that people in other countries (NOT here on a visa) follow our political process via the Internet precisely because of the points I made above? I know the concept of paying attention to what's happening in other countries is not familiar to many Americans, but surely after what's recently happened in Georgia (the country, not the state, I feel compelled to explain), you can see why it might be a good idea for us to follow their lead instead of mocking them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 08/20/2008

You blind sheep approach to life show that Americans really ARE stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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What an idjit. Laughing stock around the world. Dollar, on pace with the peso. Military, broken. 8billion dollar a month, borrowed to pay for a needlesswar....
On and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 08/20/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

then move if you don't like it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/20/2008

Americans really ARE stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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When you have to resort to the "love it or leave it" argument you've shot your wad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 08/20/2008
- smitallica I'm a Fan of smitallica 17 fans permalink
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I love that argument. Don't try to fix what's wrong when the country makes a stupid decision (say, Bush). Just leave.

Great thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 08/20/2008
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Let me guess, wdw101 and Nofuzzydreams, are angry at themselves for voting for Bush 2x. Let me guess your kicking yourselves for it, right? You're losing your home, job, food, car, no money for gas, huh? Dumb Americans. Stupid is Stupid does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 08/20/2008

And that is why you left your god forsaken country to come and live here!!! Rockchick - results matter!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/20/2008
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For your information, I didn't leave my country, Canada.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 08/20/2008

McCain says the two words...Mitt Romney of Michigan and we will know our new President.

Rueters has John McCain leading by 5pts today.

John McCain '08

http://www.johnmccain.com/HomeLogged.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 08/20/2008
- breezi I'm a Fan of breezi 10 fans permalink

Dream on, Volub! The only way a Republican could win the presidency this year is the way they "won" in 2000 and 2004: voter purging, rigged voting machines, artificial recounts, hate mongering and fear mongering. Aren't you just proud to be a Republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 08/20/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 50 fans permalink
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Don't be silly. The poll only called people with landlines. I don't know anyone with a landline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/20/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

on that one i will agree with you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 08/20/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 19 fans permalink

Why? Because Michiganers beleived Romney's lies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 08/20/2008
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JSM will LOSE michigan with or without MR. Bet on it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

Even Michigan is in play right now. It should be a slam dunk for Obama, but McCain is now within 2 points. Obama cannot close the deal. He will lose because of empty rhetoric and just being opposed to issues that matter most to people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 08/20/2008
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Senator Obama is opposed to: tax cuts for the wealthy, further devastation of the middle class, prolonging our engagement in Iraq, promoting off-shore drilling as the only remedy to our energy crisis, alienating America fromthe global community, out-sourcing American jobs, etc. Not only are these issues that matter to most people, but the manner in which Senator Obama expressed his positions on these issues was far from "empty rhetoric." otherwise we would not even be aware of what his positions on these issues are. In fact, to say that it is "empty rhetoric" and then to say that he is opposed to issues that matter most to people is in itself a contradiction. How would you even know his positions of the alleged opposition you claim if all you heard was "empty rhetoric." You're getting your talking points a bit confused, and even so, you're still wrong on the facts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

Obama wants wealth redistribution. i do not. How will he help the middle class by raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations who actually create jobs?

McCain beleives in nuclear energy, wind, solar, coal, hydrogen,,,,,basically everything including off shore drilling. To believe that we will replace oil in 10 years is silly. Obama opposes drilling and nuclear energy. i don't. most americans don't either.

'alienating" America? Obama would outsource our foreign policy to "effective" organization like the UN. He would give away our sovereignty to the world court and world institutions. I don't agree. he doesn't have our best interest in mind.

obama will lose for being Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/20/2008

The emptiness of his rhetoric is that he only says what he's apposed to and not how he will remedy them.

Excactly how is he going to stop "further devastation of the middle class"?

How will he power America until alternative energy sources are able to take over?

How will he stop companies from outsourcing jobs without causing them to go bankrupt?

It's very easy to say you're against something without offering viable alternatives.

For example, Obama says he wants a million new hybrids on the road in a few years. However, America has almost 200 million cars. What Obama proposes is changing 1/2 of 1 percent of all American cars: silly. That will not change our dependence on oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 08/20/2008
- breezi I'm a Fan of breezi 10 fans permalink

MidSection, if you honestly believe that McCain has your best interests at heart, such as the ability to have a roof over your head, feed your family, keep your over-18 children from dying in a war, and enjoy the "pursuit of happiness", then I have a famous bridge I'd like to sell you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

more so then Obama Hussein.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 08/20/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

Sure do. Moreso then Obama Hussein.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 08/20/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 19 fans permalink

I'm so sick of republicans repeating the 'empty rhetoric' line. O has laid out his vision, but everyone acts like all they know is the celebrity ad. Grow up or grow something, but enough with the 'empty rhetoric'. Just because you repeat it does not mean it's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/20/2008
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Obama needs to step it up. I agree with you. He needs to go to the rural areas, roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty a little.. Let the people know that he knows what they are going through. He also needs to get his surrogates out their and attack McSame like he and his surrogates are attacking Obama. They're going to criticize Obama no matter what he does, so he should just go after McSame. By the way, where the heck are his surrogates? I haven't seen anybody speaking out on his behalf. Maybe I missed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 08/20/2008
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"Obama cannot close the deal."

Hmmm, where have I heard that line before? Oh yeah -- from Hillary! Anybody remember Hillary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 08/20/2008

Obama

Too little too late

McCain in lead and will maintain it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/20/2008
- breezi I'm a Fan of breezi 10 fans permalink

McCain is not leading in ANY poll. The only issue that might give him an edge is an uninformed electorate in favor of drill, drill, drill...oh, and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Get a grip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/20/2008

OPEN LETTER TO OBAMA CAMPAIGN STRATEGISTS.

Dear Colleagues:-

It is with a complex admixture of fear and resentment that I write this message: fear for the unknown, and resentment against the low-voltage tempo gradually creeping into a hitherto optimistic endeavor. The campaign must deal with “what is available,” rather than contemplate with “what ought to be.” That is to say, Obama’s belabored mantra that politicians cannot underestimate the intelligence of American voters does not fly in the reality in which George Bush has been elected twice as the POTUS.

McCain seems to have learned some unfortunate lessons out of this and is appealing to the primary, instinctual, and libidinal impulses of American voters through emotionally-laden tactics of fear and “be afraid” about the potential hazards associated with Obama’s candidacy. McCain’s inroads to the atavistic impulses of American voters seem to be working. Recent Gallup Polls show McCain is ahead of Obama by five points. Take note that Obama cannot effectively counter the politics of fear and primitive politricks with rationalistic appeals to the internalized moral consciences of American voters. The supposedly reservoir of political superego, that is amenable to rational positivism, as suggested by Obama’s rebuff to the primitive appeals by McCain, is an elusive construct antagonistic to the thinking of American voters.

I am afraid Obama could lose the elections if his campaign fails to devise a strategy that could equally make inroads to the sub-conscious biological instincts of American voters.

Concerned Obama Advocate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 08/20/2008
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No offense, but your post is a prime example of the overly 'cerebral' approach (and thesaurus laden verbiage) that does not resonate with most people. Obama's problem isn't necessarily that he is too intellectual, it is that he is too expansive or "wordy". He should work on being more concise. Also, many interpret him as being "vague" or "lacking moral conviction" which, if you analyze his words, you will see that is simply not the case on nearly all issues he confronts. Even still, his excessive dialogue waters down what could be reduced to a more potent message. This 'problem' of his is a product of law school. The very nature of law is to examine the precise wording and attempt to state your case as thoroughly as possible in order to avoid "loophole" rebuttals.

Simply put, he needs to be more succinct and pithy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 08/20/2008
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"Simply put, he needs to be more succinct and pithy."

Yes. He needs coaching from a good PR professional. I'm surprised that he hasn't already had it. He needs to master the art of the 30-second (or 15-second) sound bite. Focus on three or four main points and repeat them relentlessly. This is what gets your message across to people, not 200-word, compound-complex sentences. Maybe that's the way Obama thinks and writes, but in press conferences and debates he needs to boil it down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 08/20/2008
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I think the question "When does life begin?" is a trick question as no one will ever be able to pinpoint the beginning of life let alone the fact that there isn't a definition of "life". It's about metabolism and reproduction but fire could be (with a grain of salt) alive, too, because it can reproduce (think of wildfires) and there's something like a metabolism going on (oxygen changes to carbon dioxide). Besides, fire can die if you withdraw its nutritients heat and/or oxygen. Nevertheless, fire is not alive because it's basically just hot glowing combustion gas. I won't pursue this any further but let me just tell that the meaning of (the word) "life" can be outlined to some extent but can't be nailed down.

So if there isn't a definition of "life" then it's difficult to tell when it begins. Philosophers are pondering about this for years and people expect an exact answer from two senators not being philosophers. It is indeed a difficult issue but none that can be solved -- snip -- by just one word. It's really not a right-wrong question.

Maybe Obama could have used less than 120 words but he has made a consistent statement which can only be countered because of its content and not because of something explaintive or necessary he missed saying.

Maybe I could have used less than 246 words but I wouldn't have been able to address every aspect of the issue. ;o)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/20/2008

Your post, I think, was absolutely on the money. I couldn't have said it better myself. I have just one other point to add.

The latest Zogby poll shows that Obama has lost almost a sizable advantage with key groups. An analysis will confirm that many of those polled were, in fact, capable of nuanced and rational discourse. This, I believe, reflects a significant dropping off in Obama's status with progressives.

Judging from the blogosphere, there are a lot of progressives who, like me, previously hoped that Obama would deliver, only to feel increasingly betrayed. So much for the audacity of hope, eh?

His taking that group for granted, on top of his obsessive insistence on "playing by the rules" and offering convoluted replies when sound bytes would work better, will almost certainly prove his undoing. The issue isn't "what's true." The issue is public perception.

Unless he pulls a VP out of the hat of the caliber of Gore, I suspect he is doomed. The American psyche respects only strength. Obama at this point is perceived as showing weakness, and that is the meme that Rove knows how to exploit so well to his advantage.

The Greens and Nader fail to realize we do not operate in a parliamentary system. I won't be voting Green, but at this point, I shall probably just sit the election out. Let America take the cyanide it craves and deserves. All the better to serve the secret death wish it harbors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/20/2008
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Give me a break, booosh stole both elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 08/20/2008

I think Obama would rather just enjoy his family and raise his kids as a Senator than lower his intellect to the level of the "git 'er done' bunch. As he said at the end of Saddleback, "we'll get the President that we are supposed to have".


Wake up Everybody, McCain wants a draft...do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 08/21/2008

Obama put forth Hillary Clinton's answer to the abortion issue. She states that abortion should be "Safe, Legal, and Rare". Obama said basically the same thing only it took him 120 words to say it.
Tell me again who is the better Democratic candidate and why you think it is Obama.
Is it really an advantage to take 120 words to say nothing of substance against an opponent who is short and to-the-point. Obama's inexperience is still showing and will be his downfall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 08/20/2008
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So, being a master of "politics as usual" is to be experienced? To dumb down the English language is experience? The only thing Obama may be inexperienced in is disingenuousness. But I guess America would rather elect a idiot fraud to the White House than an intelligent man who speaks purposefully and candidly. Oh wait! We DID elect that kind of president, didn't we? Someone we can drink a beer with, but doesn't know how to utter a complete sentence without messing up. I guess if Obama modeled himself after George Bush, he'd be a shoe-in!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 08/20/2008
- breezi I'm a Fan of breezi 10 fans permalink

foreffectivegovernment--where have you been living for the past 8 years? In a cave? Sure, McCain is short (really short) and to the point. He's also lying out his you know what!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 08/20/2008
- AliveInNYC I'm a Fan of AliveInNYC 3 fans permalink

So being able to come up with a better sound bite makes someone more qualified to be President?

What about the facts that Obama thinks about his positions and explains them in detail? In my opinion, that makes him the better candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 08/20/2008
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I think you are mistaking that reply. Obama doesn't know HOW to answer a simple question. He goes round, round and round the answer he should have given minutes ago. But, he still does so much talking, you don't know if there was anything possitive in those words or just "words". NO one knows, even this late in the election, just what he means by change. He has said this is the best country in the world,'AND HE WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES". What idiot would say those words? He may be smart, bookwise, but he knows nothing about the USA government and will have to be trained IF he SHOULD BE elected. I really don't think we can wait for someone to learn how to be president while he is in officel We need someone who is capable of that job, AND IT IS NOT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!! OOPS! Sorry, you don't like to hear that middle name, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 08/20/2008

With all due respect Mr Edsall I think by now all you bloggers feel you have to say something every other day. Newsflash....you don't!! And as I tell my children. ' it's not everything you think that i want to hear' !!!
Please only blog when there is something productive coming from the right and left brain, otherwise save the over critiqueing just for the sake of it for thought for a day notelet at home Too much talking
Who wrote the song....just talking loud and saying nothin? The steady daily dose is becoming too much overload. Bloggers really have to up the ante, as we are getting a tad exhausted with the constant chatter!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 08/20/2008
- yhgtup I'm a Fan of yhgtup 12 fans permalink

To answer your question, soul singer James Brown sang the song "Talking Loud & Saying Nothing" back in the late 70's, I believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 08/20/2008
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