Barack Obama: Egghead?

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First Posted: 08-20-08 12:29 AM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama begins most of his speeches with the claim that voters will have a crucial choice to make on November 4: "We meet at a moment when this country is facing a set of challenges unlike any we've ever known."

During debates Obama - the former University of Chicago professor of constitutional law -- keeps his head tilted thoughtfully, as if in a seminar. His answers weave in and out, sometimes incisively, sometimes evasively. When pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church asked Obama last Saturday if life begins at conception, Obama's 210 word response, or perhaps, non-response ran as follows:

From a theological perspective or scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade. But let me speak more generally about this issue because this is something obviously the country wrestles with. One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of is there is a moral and ethical content to this issue. So I think that anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties and gravity of the abortion issue I think is not paying attention. So that would be point number one.


But point number two, I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade and come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because ultimately I don't think women make these decisions casually. They wrestle with these things in profound ways, in consultation with their pastors or spouses or their doctors or the family members.

And so, for me, the goal right now should be - and this is where I think we can find common ground, and by the way I have now inserted this into the Democratic Party platform - is how do we reduce the number of abortions, because the fact is that although we've had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.

There are legions of voters who clearly thrive on the considered intellectual approach that has characterized Obama's presidential bid, finding it his core appeal. There are potential costs, however, according to a number of political observers. Obama's cerebral style and anti-war stance can be seen as detached, condescending, or even worse "effete" in the opinion of some -- potentially evoking the diminishing enthusiasm that undermined the Democratic campaigns of Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Bradley, Gore, and Kerry.

The McCain campaign has aggressively capitalized on this perceived vulnerability in Obama's performance, portraying him as disengaged from the high-pressure concerns central to the working and middle class. In the commercial "Family" the McCain campaign asks, "Is the biggest celebrity in the world ready to help your family?"

More recently, McCain has escalated his attack to suggest that Obama as an intellectual cannot grasp the military concept of victory.

Not content to merely predict failure in Iraq, my opponent tried to legislate failure. This was back when supporting America's efforts in Iraq entailed serious political risk. It was a clarifying moment. It was a moment when political self-interest and the national interest parted ways....
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Thanks to the courage and sacrifice of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines and to brave Iraqi fighters, the surge has succeeded. And yet Senator Obama still cannot quite bring himself to admit his own failure in judgment....Even in retrospect, he would choose the path of retreat and failure for America over the path of success and victory. In short, both candidates in this election pledge to end this war and bring our troops home. The great difference is that I intend to win it first.

There are a number of analysts who see Obama as vulnerable on this front:

Derek Shearer, Occidental College Professor of Diplomacy and World Affairs and Ambassador to Finland in the Clinton administration said, succinctly, "He is way too 'Harvard'."

Professor Caroline Heldman, also a political scientist at Occidental, said she is "concerned that Obama may be increasingly framed as 'not manly enough' by the Republican Party/ McCain Camp." The presidency, she said, "is conflated with masculinity in the minds of most Americans. In short, a great way to weaken a presidential opponent is to subtly 'feminize' him."

Democratic lobbyist Lawrence F. Obrien, III said: "People like to say he is a black Jack Kennedy. Fine, up to a point. Kennedy was smart, elegant, very well spoken, slim, handsome -- but, he also was Irish. Sharp, quick and abundant sense of humor, able to make contact with people."

"Obama's fundamental problem with voters is that he sometimes comes across as an elitist who talks down to them, dismissing their worries and telling them what they really should be concerned about. Voters don't like being addressed in this manner," said Emory political scientist Merle Black, an expert on the Republican realignment of the South.

Ron Kaufman, former political aide to George H. W. Bush, acknowledged that Obama "clearly connects with a ton of folks, but so did almost-President Howard Dean. The polls continue to say that this is tied. Obama should be 15-20 points ahead. The fact that he is not should worry them . . . . I honestly believe Obama may have a glass jaw."

On the other side, a substantial number of political specialists contend that Obama does not have a significant problem on this front.

"Barack Obama needs to work hard to win white working class voters. But, thankfully, he's not Adlai Stevenson; John McCain is not Dwight Eisenhower; and today's America is not the America of the 1950's," said David Kusnet, former chief speechwriter in the Clinton administration and author of the new book Love the Work, Hate the Job: Why America's Best Workers are Unhappier than Ever (Wiley, 2008).

"Obama was a community organizer in a neighborhood where the steel mills had shut down. Obama does know how to address economic grievances and also how to connect these complaints with the sense that our democracy is as broken as our economy. Obama needs to continue fleshing out his economic agenda and contrast it with McCain's halfhearted embrace of Bush's failed policies. But his elevated rhetoric and down-to-earth policy prescriptions can reinforce each other, as they did with FDR and JFK," Kusnet said.

Another Clinton speechwriter, Michael Cohen, author of Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the Twentieth Century and How They Shaped Modern America (Bloomsbury, June 2008), contended: "The kind of rhetoric that Obama is employing below is really not that out of kilter in a change election. In fact it's pretty standard. I think this call for more specifics is hugely overrated and unnecessary. On the issues Obama is favored, particularly domestic issues, the big questions are really about personality and intangibles, like experience."

Princeton political scientist Nolan McCarty noted the he has had "friends and colleagues comment on the possibility that Obama could become the egghead candidate," but, McCarthy countered, "the current administration has given anti-intellectualism a bad name....With the outcomes of that kind of know-nothingism on display, the Republicans may find it harder to criticize Obama for being an intellectual (though they may find other ways to paint him as an elitist)."

Political scientist Jennifer Lawless of Brown said that in 2002, she found "that stereotyping about candidate competence to govern in a political context dominated by the 'war on terrorism' may work to the detriment of women candidates, at least at the presidential level. It wasn't that candidates have to be 'manly,' but rather, that traditional conceptions of strong leaders tend to be more consistent with images of male, as opposed to female, politicians."

Now, however, Lawless is not sure the same finding would hold:

Considering that public opinion regarding the war [has become] so negative, it is possible that a more 'unconventional leadership,' at least in terms of stereotypes, might be appealing to the average voter. In this way, a candidate like Obama might have an edge over McCain, if for no reason other than the fact that Obama represents something very different from George Bush and his rhetoric regarding war -- i.e., 'looking the terrorists in the eye' and 'smoking them out of their caves' didn't turn out the way most Americans would have liked.

Obama recently responded to McCain's assaults: "We've got work to do," he told supporters in Albuquerque on August 18. "[C]ontrary to what John McCain's advisers will say, we are not a bunch of whiners. We will suck it up."

On television, Obama has begun to directly counter-attack McCain on the issue of who is in touch with the middle class.

One of the more recent Obama commercials, Book, begin with the announcer saying "Economics by John McCain. Support George Bush 95 percent of the time. Keep spending $10 billion a month for the war in Iraq while the Iraqis sell oil for record prices giving Iraq a $79 billion oil surplus and hurting our economy. Barack Obama's plan: end the war responsibly, better schools, no more tax breaks for oil companies. Barack Obama: the middle class first."


Barack Obama begins most of his speeches with the claim that voters will have a crucial choice to make on November 4: "We meet at a moment when this country is facing a set of challenges unlike any we...
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I don't agree with Edsall that Obama's response to Warren's "Does life begin at conception?" question was a nonresponse. Nobody 'knows' when life begins, so the question isn't exactly fair. How can you answer something that is impossible to know? However, what Obama said about their being moral implications for the individual who has an abortion is true. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, she will have to live with that decision for the rest of her life.

Also, Obama is running for President of the United States. He should not have to hold back his intelligence to appeal to that portion of the electorate that believes intelligence is feminine. The fact of the matter is, Howard Dean never spoke to a crowd of 75,000, and Obama has. I wouldn't change anything if I were Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/20/2008
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Yep, and Kerry & Gore were ahead in the polls all the way up to the end.
Wait until after the convention, that's when the picture will become clearer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/20/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 156 fans permalink
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imagine0594,

Actually, I think that Obama answered the question well instead of getting backed against the wall as McCain did. For those of you who think this is just an intellectual question that has no bearing on anyone but those who would have an abortion, think again. Bush and the HHR, at the urging of the radical right, have redefined when pregnancy begins. This is scary. Hillary wrote about it last month in Huff Po. If pregnancy (i.e life) is defined as the moment of conception then birth control pills, IUD, etc are tools of abortion. For those of you who think this is a black and white question, it seems that Bush (McCain and all of you who say life begins at conception) is at odds with the American Medical Association.

Read this and tell me again how easy it is to answer the question of when life begins. For those of you who say conception are you willing to give up methods of birth control that prevent the implantation of the embryo? If not, do you consider yourself a hypocrit?

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/07/15/hhs-moves-define-contraception-abortion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 08/20/2008
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Thought you folks might be interested. It looks like Mr. Egghead is 5% behind of McCain in the most recent Reuters/Zogby poll released today. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 08/20/2008

Pay attention. The national polls mean nothing. Take a look at the electoral map. And if you insist on being ignorant, Quinnepiac had Obama up by 5% in it's most recent poll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 08/20/2008
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Just curious, when those polls say he's behind, what will you be saying then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 08/20/2008

The latest realclearpolitcs electoral poll (the one that gets tossed around on here most often #10) just changed also.

Barack Obama 264 John McCain 274

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 08/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

It's bad enough when the pundits recite poll numbers daily but now they've trained the voters to recite them instead of discussing issues. Worse yet, they all refer to different polls to support their view rendering the poll discussion meaningless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 08/20/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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...and we all know how accurate polls are! (Ref. 1992 elections)

Polls are about as "scientific" as McCain is a MENSA member.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/20/2008
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Odd, you folks weren't saying that when he was ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 156 fans permalink
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Wasn't Zogby the most inaccurate poll during the primaries? Just checking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/20/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 275 fans permalink

Tell us what it's like to be so mean and hateful. I'm sure it must be exhausting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/20/2008
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Actually it's delightful! LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/20/2008
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I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me tonight.

I feel charming,
Oh, so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel!
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I'm real.

See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!

I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

Two previous posts have called McCain a 'pr*ck' and a dunce and you're complaining about Obama being called an 'egghead'. That's one of the problems with Obama's campaign in that his supporters are such hypocrites. For some reason that's what he inspires in many people. Read on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 08/20/2008

i for one want someone who is smarter than me to be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 08/20/2008
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That is just too easy. I'm going to give you a pass on that. Just this one time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 08/20/2008

no...go ahead....give me your best shot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 08/20/2008
- Summer71 I'm a Fan of Summer71 2 fans permalink

We are absolutely doomed as a society if we really believe that intelligence is a liability instead of an asset.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 08/20/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

Only your nitwit pundit above and other nitwit posters here are saying intelligence is a liability...maybe if his views were more in line with more people he would poll better

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 08/20/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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It's easy for fascists to win in polling when the survey is taken in the swamp.

November will come as quite a shock to the flying monkey brigade. Fox and the corporate oligarchy are waisting alot of money on you trollers (as if you care, right?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/20/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 584 fans permalink
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Posters who oppose Obama have been ridiculing his intellectual approach to expressing and addressing the issues throughout this election process, translating his intelligence as elitist, arrogant ... and uppity. Republicans in particular and low-information voters overall are intimidated by Senator Obama's intelligence and therefore try to trivialize it as an anomaly. Senator Obama's views are virtually identical to the views and positions of Senator Clinton and are in keeping with the views and positions of the Democratic Party and most Americans in general. In fact, it's the Republican Party whose views the majority of the American people are repudiating.

As I've said before, we all know why Senator Obama is not polling better. It's the little dark (no pun intended) American secret that we don't like to talk about, but is exposing itself more and more as the election draws imminent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/20/2008

Too smart for President? Geez, that would horrible to have an INTELLIGENT President for a change.

Certainly too smart for the likes of you. Thanks for your NON-CONTRIBUTION to the political discussion, clown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 08/20/2008
- mounthood I'm a Fan of mounthood 5 fans permalink

Obama's problem may be that he tries to use reason. For right wingers reason is 6/7 of treason. It's traitorous to think for oneself instead of buying the party line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 08/20/2008

After nearly eight devastating years of rule by a man who can't put two words together in an intelligent sentence, a man who has never had either an intelligent or original thought, a man who disgraces us at every turn, I'm ready for Obama! He is thoughtful, deliberate, intelligent and, most important of all, is well-versed on the Constitution of this great nation. He taught the Constitutional Laws which Bush breaks at every turn. Here's to the egghead!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 08/20/2008
- lafrance I'm a Fan of lafrance 40 fans permalink

Since when is it desirable to have a president you can have a beer with or is one of the guys? When it is desirable to have a president that is more bully boy and tough talk then stateman?
I always thought our presidents should be above the rest of us average people. Afterall, to be leader of the free world, shouldn't we want someone who is intellectually gifted, thoughtful and well read?
Look at the mess we have when vote for for someone who is like the guy next door: Harding and Bush.
And look at when we vote for hopeful men: FDR and intelligent men: TR and Kennedy.
And with the mess our country is in we don't need a guy you can bowl with or have as your neighbor but, someone with intellectual gifts and is a cut above the average guy.
Besides, I want a statesman and someone who is not embarrassing to this country with leaders from around the world.
And one who can speak a whole sentence intelligently.
I am tired of the anit-intellectual, proud of their ignorance right wing who is defining what is acceptable.
They find bullies acceptable and we end up with King George and his lower then average IQ to lead us.
Maybe it's time for the left side to define what is acceptable in a president and we won't end up with the mess we are in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/20/2008
- pico I'm a Fan of pico permalink

I would like someone smarter and more elite than I to head this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/20/2008
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 45 fans permalink

Imagine how wonderful it will be to have a president who has a superiour BRAIN. Imagine regaining respect slowly but surely world wide. Imagine having a president who does not disgrace this country by getting drunk as a skunk at the Olympics, in front of the entire world. A president who can speak in complete sentences, does not dance on the WH steps, does not smirk and grin when asked about all the death and destruction in Iraq. If you can imagine that, then McCain is not the man for the job. He is an adulterous compulsive gambler who wrecked 5 planes by being reckless. His sense of entitlement equals Georgies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/20/2008
- jmad I'm a Fan of jmad 4 fans permalink

The american voter is so lame. They are afraid and intimated by someone smarter than themselves.
We have suffered for seven and a half years the consequences with one of the most intellectually lazy presidents in history. Sadly, the country is at the same juncture that we were at eight years ago.
We can do better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/20/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

Since you are probably an American voter, you are lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/20/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 156 fans permalink
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Actually, he was talking about you. The people who defend the Bush years. The people who want more of the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 08/20/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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"Americans" were hypnotized by pop-culture and consumerism. As long as they had their "stuff", they would continue believe whatever the corporate establishment told them. We all thought the invasion was wrong, but we had our "stuff" so we didn't care. We knew our government does awful, violent and inhuane things in this world but "Hey, as long as they don't take my bigscreen..!"

Not only are Americans intellectually challenged, we are apathetic and cowardly. We see Corporations abuse, kill and steal from our neighbors and we only turn up the volume so all we can hear is "reality tv" so we can watch others be humiliated and abused to make ourselves feel better about our empty lives, our lack of freedom and our prison of corporate slavery because hiding behind the TV, apathy and fear is a good quick fix, it's a yuppie version of "crack". We wouldn't know courage if we saw it stand down a police-state humvee.

We went from being the greatest country in the world to one of the worst since 1980.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 08/20/2008
- TerBoy I'm a Fan of TerBoy 9 fans permalink

Can we please see this headline: "Trading Frat Boy for Maverick, Americans contemplate choosing another four friggin' years in the O.K. Corral."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 08/20/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

I saw that at Kos last week

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/20/2008
- firewmn I'm a Fan of firewmn 63 fans permalink
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I prefer "eggsheads" OVER "boneheads" hands down running our country any day.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 08/20/2008
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Damn right he's an egghead!!!

What a breath of fresh air to know we could have The Wizard in the White House instead of the Scarecrow

LONG LIVE THE WONKS!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/20/2008
- MoeB I'm a Fan of MoeB 54 fans permalink

Look, we need to turn this election into a referendum on REPUBLICANS. They need to convince the american electorate why we should trust them for another 4 years! I mean corruption has run at levels unprecedented in our nation's history, yet, no coverage from the media. No mention of how if McCain wins this election, it is VERY likely that he will appoint more of the same type of folks that are CURRENTLY running our government (into the ground).

They (we) should be asking how can a government be effective when they are immersed in scandal and corruption? How can republican government be responsible to the PEOPLE when they only serve the interests of lobbyists who aren't just lobbying on behalf of a particular industry, but a particular IDEOLOGY?

This is serious stuff. We and the media need to start calling out republicans. They are NOT pro-middle class. They are pro-business and privatization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 08/20/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 156 fans permalink
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You are right. Why we would trust them with our country for four more years is beyond me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/20/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

Ah so you don't want to vote for someone, you want to vote against someone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 08/20/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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It's not a matter of voting against someONE -- it's a matter of voting against someTHING, namely a toxic, destructive radical-right-wing dogma that has all but wrecked this country and will finish the job if we give it four more years to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 08/20/2008
- Yesbama I'm a Fan of Yesbama 6 fans permalink

Yes, unfortunately I am starting to believe that this country is too dumb to elect Obama. They don’t want a thoughtful person they want someone with quick, clear answers like "defeat it" and "the moment of conception". I know it’s only August, but I am afraid we are headed for 4 more years of the same.
Does he need Clinton?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 08/20/2008
- Whatashame I'm a Fan of Whatashame 19 fans permalink
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I was watching Larry King last night and Bill was saying how Americans are too dumb and that is why they will vote for McCain because they are dumb down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/20/2008
- Yesbama I'm a Fan of Yesbama 6 fans permalink

Yeah, Bill was great last night, even he thinks he needs Hillary.
I do think Obama has a big ego, I think you need to have a big ego to be a politician, but if he picks someone like Kaine, he will prove that his ego is out of control. Especially when he promised us, his supporters that he is humble enough to see his own shortcomings and will surround himself with people who can help. Hillary will help. Biden will help. Kaine...I don't think so.
We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/20/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

larry who? is he still on the air?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/20/2008
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Yes he needs Hilary. However, all the terrible things she said about him in the campaign JM is now using them in his stump speech. I think that she seriously damaged him by giving them ammunitions to use against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 08/20/2008
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I too think HIlary said damaging things throughout the campaign. " Elitist", "The heavens will open up.......choirs will sing" , "Speeches you can Xerox"....just to name a few. YES, it was a lot of ammunition for the McCain camp to use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 08/20/2008
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