Obama "Infanticide" Smear Gains Traction: Campaign Forced To Rebut

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Two weeks ago, when the Huffington Post reported that the "infanticide" charge against Barack Obama was gaining traction in right-wing circles, the Illinois Democrat's campaign had not placed the issue on its "Fight the Smears" website. According to an Obama aide who spoke on background, the campaign did not see a compelling reason for lending greater profile to the attacks with a full-blown response.

On Wednesday, however, the campaign posted an exhaustive rebuttal to the "infanticide" charge -- a tacit admission that the controversy over a spate of anti-abortion bills that Obama opposed as an Illinois State Senator is not going away.

The event that forced the Obama camp's hand was a new push by the National Right to Life Committee. Late last week, the group announced that it had obtained details of a 2003 committee vote that contradicted Obama's past explanation for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act while serving in the State Senate.

In past statements, Obama had described his opposition to multiple versions of the bill as stemming from concerns that the bill could endanger Roe vs. Wade. The first two iterations of the Illinois bill did not contain language that explicitly re-affirmed abortion rights granted under Roe. The NRLC now points out that the 2003 version contained a "neutrality" clause similar to that of the federal version -- for which Obama says he would have voted.

Thus, the NRLC announced that it had discovered the mendacity and manipulation at the heart of Barack Obama's pro-choice position: support for the grave charge of "infanticide."

Since Obama initially carved out his response to the controversy on Roe-centric grounds, any maneuvering he performs now might seem like a slimy cover-up to low-information voters. But as the campaign's fact sheet reveals today, there were numerous other reasons for a pro-choice politician to stand against the Illinois legislation at the time, outside of a furtive desire to kill children.

Those reasons included the fact that the Illinois legislation was bundled together with a measure that threatened doctors with criminal prosecution if they incorrectly applied the Born Alive bill. When NRLC legislative director Douglas Johnson claims that Illinois Senate bills 1082 and 1083 had no relationship outside of being sequentially numbered, and that they "were not in any way linked," he is either under-informed or willfully bending the record. Both bills were introduced by the same senator, and the Born Alive act only passed when the doctor-intimidation measure was dropped in 2005 (after Obama had moved to the U.S. Senate).

A local AP wire story (not available online) from March 9, 2005 reflects the reality that the two bills were always considered connected. Reporting on the passed version of the Born Alive measure, the agency wrote: "Unlike earlier versions that failed, this bill does not spell out what medical care doctors must provide when an abortion procedure ends in a live birth. The legislation also specifically says it has no impact on Illinois abortion laws."

In addition, Obama's Wednesday fact sheet appropriately makes the distinction between federal and state roles in regulating abortion. Put simply, the U.S. Senate was at greater liberty to expound on the definition of "born alive" infants, since it plays a rather small role in regulating abortion practice. States, on the other hand, must make sure that any new definition of "born alive" can comport with other existing statutes. As Planned Parenthood's Illinois chapter wrote in its own policy memo: "Federal law does not regulate abortion practice. That is left to the states. Therefore, it is state legislation that would affect abortion practice in Illinois."

Given the headache-inducing wonkery at work, it's not hard to understand why the Obama campaign didn't immediately dive into the Senator's past policy to rebut a charge that fared so poorly for Alan Keyes in his 2004 Senate campaign.

But with the resurgent Born Alive debate rating coverage on the Christian Broadcast Network as well as The Washington Post and The New York Times, the Obama campaign now apparently feels that traveling into the weeds of the issue is less damaging than allowing the NRLC's charges to go unchallenged.

Two weeks ago, when the Huffington Post reported that the "infanticide" charge against Barack Obama was gaining traction in right-wing circles, the Illinois Democrat's campaign had not placed the issu...
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I think it's sickening that libs have spent literally years and years fighting against the will of the people on partial birth abortion by saying "Be reasonable. Be responsible. Consider the life of the mother." And although most people already do take that into consideration, libs wanted explicit language in every bill passed. And they have successfully used that strategy to block the will of the voters time and time again on this issue.

The people have bent over backwards to make sure that they are being reasonable and responsible on considering the life and health of the mother.

Now here you have the corollary. People are worried about the life and health of a born child that has survived an abortion. All they asked was for people to be reasonable and responsible. But that's too much to ask for BHO. Too much of a "burden" on the mother.

How dare he? Nobody in Congress dared to take such a thoughtless and careless and offensive position, and make such a hypocritical argument. But BHO stood up and voted no, over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 08/21/2008

How can a fetus that is expelled from the womb during an abortion be classified as born if it is not viable and cannot survive even with medical intervention? Please answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 08/21/2008

If the doctor pronounces the fetus dead, there's no problem. If the doctor pronounce the baby alive, then it should get the standard level of medical care afforded to any other baby.

If the baby is so premature that the standard of care is to simply allow it to die, then so be it. But there's no reason to discriminate against a living preemie based on whether or not the mother wanted to kill it and failed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 08/21/2008

Ok, this thread has attracted an uncommon load of trolls, all of them barking and howling about "babies born alive" being killed. And I have posted the following question over and over and not got a response from anyone of them;

"By 'born alive' do you mean a non-viable fetus expelled from the womb 'alive' but unable to survive because the lungs are not yet developed enough to even be kept 'alive' by medical intervention?"

And the reason I have not got an answer, is because they don't want to address that senario, because they believe that abortion itself is "infanticide," any abortion at any time. And it is favorable to their "cause' to keep the argument as nonspecific and fuzzy as possible to obscure their real intent to outlaw all abortion and eventually all contraception. That is also why they rail against and try to discredit nuanced and detailed explanations, because on the specifics, they lose, so they don't want to go there. Ok?

Just keep in mind while they howl about Obama killing babies that all he was doing was making sure that women and doctors are not dragged in front of tribunals to defend themselves whenever they failed to keep a non-viable fetus expelled from the womb "alive." Is that simple enough for everyone to remember and understand? I thought so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 08/21/2008

Okay, so why didn't Obama say any of what you wrote, instead of the BS he actually did say? His claim that he voted down BAIPA because it didn't contain the Roe-neutral lingo was just a flat-out lie, and as usual he self-righteously played the victim in his lie. Even the HuffPost article above concedes that his initial "Roe-centric" defense is not the one he's using now. Regardless of where you stand on abortion, it is indisputable that Obama has been dishonest about his history on the abortion issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 08/21/2008

Maybe he thought it was obvious to any thinking person. I suppose his weakness, if he has one, is that as a thinking person himself he credits others with being the same. Regardless, of whether or not he stated the need to protect women and doctors what he did had that effect and I am willing to believe that was his intent and I honor him for it.

As for the Roe-neutral lingo,(if it was actually included as you say) it is possible that he did not think it clear or strong enough. The article said that he would have voted for something similar. It did not say it was the same. Even the slightest variation in wording can lead to a maze of legal haggling. It is also possible that such legislation even having such "lingo" can be used as a weapon to intimidate doctors by dragging them into court even if there is no chance for a conviction. Obama did the right thing and it had nothing to do with "killing babies."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/21/2008
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The answer to this is a strong, unequivocal statement by Obama supporting Roe and a woman's right to choose.

People like a strong leader, even if they don't agree with him on everything.

Does Obama think he' going to sway firm anti-abortion types with intellectual subtlety? The Republicans win by taking firm stands and not budging. Nuances are for the classroom, not politics, if you want to win.

I'm old enough to remember Adlai Stevenson.­Truman said he couldn't decide when to urinate. An egghead.

American anti-intel­lectualism isn't going away any time soon. Kennedy understood this and attacked Nixon based on a fictitious "missile gap." Kennedy knew better, but he wanted to win.

Does Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/21/2008

Smears, lies are discredited and go away. These facts will not go away.
As it turns out he did vote against the bill granting rights to infants who survive botched abortions. He has lied about the bills and his actions claiming the bills he voted against were flawed when it turns out they were not. He also made the claim that he would have voted for the bill if it were the same as the one passed in the US senate and now the record indicates the bill he voted against was the same as the US senate bill. He has accused others of lying when the record supports what his opponents said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 08/21/2008
- dutchess2 I'm a Fan of dutchess2 19 fans permalink

We have come to expect this from republicans.

Even in the face of truth, they will continue to lie... its their way to win... having no ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 08/21/2008
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"Smears, lies are discredited and go away. These facts will not go away. "
Sure just like "Obama is a muslim" went away. Grow up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 08/21/2008

Get educated concerning the FACTS or shut up, you talking mouths. All you remotely know are the talking points drilled into you by Bible thumping preachers, and NOTHING more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 08/21/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 08/21/2008
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An exhaustive rebuttal to lies is a good thing. I don't blame the Obama campaign for ignoring it initially, but since these right wing thugs have shown their hand, the made the correct choice in offering their rebuttal Better to rebut AFTER the enemy has shot their wad.

Thoughtful, intelligent people will see through this. Ignorant, low information ideologues will not care.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 08/21/2008
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I am sorry to say that, after this week, I am hoping Fox news building gets swallowed up by a large sinkhole. These people with their lies, now it's baby infanticide. There is no hope for these corrupt people. Sad thing is, the station has the largest audience - go figure!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 08/21/2008
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The reality is Barry Hussein Obama is the most pro-choice candidate ever to run for office. He told Planned Parenthood last year that if elected he would do everything in his power to broaden the various options of abortion. Now, on Saturday, Mr. Warren asks him a simple question: "When do you give a human being rights?" instead of being courageous and bold and tell him how he stands on the issue, Barry the flipper attempts once again to obfuscate his true position and make the answer more convoluted for his right leaning audience by answering "that is above my pay grade." I guess he forgot that Lincoln as President had the power to change lives by freeing slaves, so surely the President can have some say about when he thinks Americans should be protected and when their life begins. But unfortunately for us dems, the rest of the electorate isn't buying his crafty doublespeak. Check out the latest dem Zogby poll. And worse for BHO, the one record he does have where there's a paper trail is on abortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 08/21/2008

This one can really do his campaign in. Even people that are pro-choice find this practice unforgiveable. There is a clip with Obama explaining why he opposed this bill. Can't really explain away ones own words.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/20/heres-the-audio-of-obama-endorsing-infantici/

What I also find interesting about all of this is that Obama felt so strongly on this issue that he actually voted on it, rather than just voting "present", which he says he did so often did to protest additions to or parts of bills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 08/21/2008
- dutchess2 I'm a Fan of dutchess2 19 fans permalink

No, his answer was the correct one.

He does not intend to try to play god...

It would have been wise for Bush to have done the same, remember him saying God told him to go to war in Iraq? Turns out it was the oil companies he was listening to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 08/21/2008

Is it OReally or O'Reilly, in other words, Foxxxxxxy? Sounds like that is where lowlife followers get their corrupt lies kind of information. Evidently Fox causes shrinking brains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 08/21/2008
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Hannity said tonight,
Coming up "O.bama is the only one in Illinois who didn't save the life of this pre-mature down-syndrome baby, and I've got proof"

These people....­.

Either way, good luck next year Hannity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 08/21/2008

I have this sick feeling in my stomach just like I did 4 years ago about the Swift boat scumbags with this story, the right is in a feeding frenzy on this story acting like they have discoverd some new info about Obama's secret plan to kill baby's. I think the chances of McCain getting all of us killed in WWIII are much more real than anything else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 08/21/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Don't worry, sweetie. These comments are really only representative of the extremists. There are more reasonable people in America than we give credit for. We just have to stay positive while fighting back. It's also smart for us all to try not to get down to their "nasty" level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 08/21/2008
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I hope you're right, I really do. I also hope our lad Baz (if you don't mind me using a diminutive that my countrymen back in the old couintry use for "Barry") knows what he's doing. This "staying above it" thing has never worked in the past and it worries me to no end. While i know he's not the answer to the country's problems, I also know that McC is trouble personnified. Reminds me of the time about 30 years back when I had a spontaneously collapsed lung... the doctor said, "If you quit smoking it might not happen again, if you don't quit, it definitely will." This is the "quit smoking" election as far as I'm concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 08/21/2008

One thing for sure, I will not be voting on personal issues such as abortion this time, I will not be fooled by the rethugs. The bring this issue up every election and they know they will NEVER over turn Roe v Wade and have never intended too!

So anyone that think they are God and want to take on the abortion fight, should in fact go to God himself, because these rethugs are just playing the name it game again. Name what the people hate most and we can will, well you will not win with this former republican vote. No way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 08/21/2008

"These comments are really only representative of the extremists. "

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/20/heres-the-audio-of-obama-endorsing-infantici/

And by extremists do you mean those who argue to let babies that are born ALIVE die?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 08/21/2008
- ranchosx I'm a Fan of ranchosx 4 fans permalink

it's a shame1 THE RADICAL CHRISTIAN MILITANTS wil say anything to keep their white supremacist aganda, They have already said he is the anti christ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 08/21/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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There does seem to be quite a few Christian militants on this thread. The irony is that they are under the delusion that since they don't strap RPGs to their backs and blowup buildings that they are somehow "reasonable". These people give peacefully religious people a bad name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/21/2008

Zoey, some of the anti Christian types have inflamed the militant Christian types beyond a "reasonable" point of view. Whatever that means. But with that said, ranchosx is what the Christian militants are up in arms about. Denigrates their faith labels them and demeans them personally in one sentence. That is wrong, it is the politics of personal destruction and is played across America. No wonder people are up in arms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 08/21/2008

SUE FOR LIBEL! It's way past time for the folks who peddle this kind of hate through the mail, internet, books, rightwingnut radio to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the poison they spread!

I know if someone were spreading outright lies about me or my family, I would SUE them for libel and drag them to a court for punishment and damages! Why can't a candidate for office do the same thing? There HAS to be a way to stop these hate mongers, such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Corsi, from getting away scot free of the damage they do everyday with their LIES, innuendos, smears to anyone they oppose! NO CANDIDATE SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 08/21/2008

Maybe it is all true. Maybe Barack Soetoro is confident that Obamamaniacs will not question..­...the Messiah. The media did not do its job on Wright, Michelle, Davis, Alinsky, Marxism, etc.... Many are now having buyer's remorse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 08/21/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Head trauma as a child? Just curious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/21/2008
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And the media really haven't done their job on McCain. Military records, adultery, divorce, Keating 5, Cindy's forgery and drug addiction, no clue who any of the players are in Iraq, McCain trying to push us back to the Cold War. He is SO PATHETIC!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/21/2008
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the proof that a public figure actually must prove is malice aforethoug­ht.....ver­y hard to prove.....­.basically that they intended to do harm with premeditat­ion....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 08/21/2008

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/20/heres-the-audio-of-obama-endorsing-infantici/

Sue for what, Obamas own words and actions coming back to bite him in the butt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 08/21/2008
- dutchess2 I'm a Fan of dutchess2 19 fans permalink

Get your atty and go for it!

Your rights as a citizen in this country are seriously infringed by their lies...

You have as much right to sue as do they... it would be the landmark decision of the century,
and attys lined up to make their name with it..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 08/21/2008
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Are the pro-lifers the same Christians who got snookered into the Abramoff & Reed scheme to bilk 2 sides on the same issue? Hey, you voters: check the statistics. They show the number of abortions dropped during Bill Clinton's administration, not so under Republicans. Who are you listening to? Obviously you've got the web - go get the facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 08/21/2008
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Facts? We don' need no steenking facts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 08/21/2008
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Remember when Obama and cult trashed Hillary for her 'nuanced' position on the war. She voted yes to authorize the president to have that power if necessary but not for the war itself. Pretty clear but now they want us to believe that Obama's stuttering and stammering and struggling to answer a question is 'nuanced' and shame on us for not getting it. Yet, they claim to be the well educated voters but if you read their snarky insults on this site, you'd think you were reading walls in a public restroom. If he loses, it's the fault of many of his nasty supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 08/21/2008
- ranchosx I'm a Fan of ranchosx 4 fans permalink

she voted for the war and never read the intel reports, She is a warpig

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 08/21/2008

The Obama show has been on of the greatest hustles of all time. Bigger that the fixed World Series or the radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds". Obama went far left to defeat Hillary. He also utilized John Edwards to beat up on Hillary. Next he flipped and flopped towards the center while tossing folk under the bus. When a teleprompter is not around he stammers, stutters, and finally says that things are above his paygrade.

He wouldn't debate Hillary and avoids townhalls with McCain. Yet, he is eager to have a cigar with Castro or to visit Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/21/2008

Hillary defeated herself. She went negative hard and never let up. That was her downfall. She also had a lot of the wrong people advising her. You cannot blame that on anyone but her.

As for the teleprompter issue. I would suggest you take a hard look at McCain who has his note cards at EVERY event. He cannot even stray away from the podium for fear of losing his place. Obama seems to have not problem using the whole stage.

As for debates, he and Hillary had over 20 debates so how do you figure he was afraid to debate her. After that last ambush, I would not have agreed to anymore either.

McCain started on the town halls before Obama even clinched the nomination and hounded him relentlessly as he still does and yet when the Obama camp attempted to negotiate with them they refused. It was their way or no way. Sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/21/2008
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As I recall, the Dems had something like 20 debates before the end of the primary, so Hillary had her opportunities. The issue Obama struggles with is his awareness that the world and its problems are not simple and will not be solved by the simple answers spouted by Hillary and McCain. Obama knew the gas tax was a farce. He was right. Unfortunately, the average American has the intellectual fortitude and attention span of a small child. We like simple answers. We prefer to be sold simple solutions even when we know they are wrong. We prefer cartoonishly decisive leaders, even when those leaders prove themselves decisively wrong over and over again. Let's run down what McCain has been right about over the past 26 years or so...uh...­hmmm.

Whatever disaster McCain and his ilk may bring upon us, if we vote them into office we deserve it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 08/21/2008
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i hope they replaced the cigars from the clinton presidency­........th­at would be funny and nasty in the same thought

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 08/21/2008
- dutchess2 I'm a Fan of dutchess2 19 fans permalink

Tell the truth now...

John Edwards was the first to challenge Hillary... and he and Elizabeth kept at it as long
as he was in the campaign. They had their own agenda, and Obama was not included.

It is Obama's calculation that it will require only three appearances on the same stage with John McCain to do him in.

Why should he give McCain more exposure when its not necessary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/21/2008

I am so sick of you haters going on and on about Obama's studdering. I would rather have him studder, think about and give well thought out answers than to just start spewing out the first thing that comes in to his head.

McCain gets caught off guard with an unexpected question and he just stands there muttering and then attempts to hide from the question. He is unfit and a danger to this country. His immediate responses to the Georgian/Russian conflict was one of harsh words and near threats. When called out by the Georgian president to back up his words with action, he did nothing but continue to criticize the Russians. Why, because he is NOT POTUS as he seemed to think he was when Russian invaded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 08/21/2008

He has a new tactic. Now he just smiles and says that it is above his paygrade. The brother is elusive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/21/2008

That's the issue. There is little in his head. He considers who is listening, the political consequences, and then does his dance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/21/2008
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One thing I will agree with you: There are a LOT of nasty, hateful supporters of Obama's. Then again, let's think about it -- there are nasty, hateful supporters of McCain's and of Clinton's. I think it is a good idea to distinguish between the groups of misguided supporters and the candidates themselves.

Obama does have an issue with hesitant stammering in his speech. However, his responses DO reflect nuance and a careful choice of wording. This was especially apparent at the Forum and in his first statement on Georgia. I've been listening to his (and McCain's) speeches during this election and Obama's stammering is not a constant problem. Having said that -- Obama DOES have a problem with being overly wordy. He need to be more concise and pithy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/21/2008
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"Borned."

Unbelievable. Just insane, these United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 08/21/2008
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