Obama "Infanticide" Smear Gains Traction: Campaign Forced To Rebut

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First Posted: 08-20-08 01:40 PM   |   Updated: 09-20-08 05:12 AM

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Two weeks ago, when the Huffington Post reported that the "infanticide" charge against Barack Obama was gaining traction in right-wing circles, the Illinois Democrat's campaign had not placed the issue on its "Fight the Smears" website. According to an Obama aide who spoke on background, the campaign did not see a compelling reason for lending greater profile to the attacks with a full-blown response.

On Wednesday, however, the campaign posted an exhaustive rebuttal to the "infanticide" charge -- a tacit admission that the controversy over a spate of anti-abortion bills that Obama opposed as an Illinois State Senator is not going away.

The event that forced the Obama camp's hand was a new push by the National Right to Life Committee. Late last week, the group announced that it had obtained details of a 2003 committee vote that contradicted Obama's past explanation for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act while serving in the State Senate.

In past statements, Obama had described his opposition to multiple versions of the bill as stemming from concerns that the bill could endanger Roe vs. Wade. The first two iterations of the Illinois bill did not contain language that explicitly re-affirmed abortion rights granted under Roe. The NRLC now points out that the 2003 version contained a "neutrality" clause similar to that of the federal version -- for which Obama says he would have voted.

Thus, the NRLC announced that it had discovered the mendacity and manipulation at the heart of Barack Obama's pro-choice position: support for the grave charge of "infanticide."

Since Obama initially carved out his response to the controversy on Roe-centric grounds, any maneuvering he performs now might seem like a slimy cover-up to low-information voters. But as the campaign's fact sheet reveals today, there were numerous other reasons for a pro-choice politician to stand against the Illinois legislation at the time, outside of a furtive desire to kill children.

Those reasons included the fact that the Illinois legislation was bundled together with a measure that threatened doctors with criminal prosecution if they incorrectly applied the Born Alive bill. When NRLC legislative director Douglas Johnson claims that Illinois Senate bills 1082 and 1083 had no relationship outside of being sequentially numbered, and that they "were not in any way linked," he is either under-informed or willfully bending the record. Both bills were introduced by the same senator, and the Born Alive act only passed when the doctor-intimidation measure was dropped in 2005 (after Obama had moved to the U.S. Senate).

A local AP wire story (not available online) from March 9, 2005 reflects the reality that the two bills were always considered connected. Reporting on the passed version of the Born Alive measure, the agency wrote: "Unlike earlier versions that failed, this bill does not spell out what medical care doctors must provide when an abortion procedure ends in a live birth. The legislation also specifically says it has no impact on Illinois abortion laws."

In addition, Obama's Wednesday fact sheet appropriately makes the distinction between federal and state roles in regulating abortion. Put simply, the U.S. Senate was at greater liberty to expound on the definition of "born alive" infants, since it plays a rather small role in regulating abortion practice. States, on the other hand, must make sure that any new definition of "born alive" can comport with other existing statutes. As Planned Parenthood's Illinois chapter wrote in its own policy memo: "Federal law does not regulate abortion practice. That is left to the states. Therefore, it is state legislation that would affect abortion practice in Illinois."

Given the headache-inducing wonkery at work, it's not hard to understand why the Obama campaign didn't immediately dive into the Senator's past policy to rebut a charge that fared so poorly for Alan Keyes in his 2004 Senate campaign.

But with the resurgent Born Alive debate rating coverage on the Christian Broadcast Network as well as The Washington Post and The New York Times, the Obama campaign now apparently feels that traveling into the weeds of the issue is less damaging than allowing the NRLC's charges to go unchallenged.

Two weeks ago, when the Huffington Post reported that the "infanticide" charge against Barack Obama was gaining traction in right-wing circles, the Illinois Democrat's campaign had not placed the issu...
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- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

A friend of mine said: If a MAN had to have a baby and carry it for 9 months, there would most definitely be Drive-through Abortion Clinics." That friend was a man! Thought I would share.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 08/20/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

that friend is mentally disabled

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 08/20/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

Like you?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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That is not only an old joke but a sick joke about a very serious topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 08/20/2008

It's a very pertinent point to raise. If abortion is criminalized, which men will be penalized? The genetic "fathers?" Or just the Docs trying to perform a service that prevents infection and preserves future reproductive health?

There's nothing "sick" about pointing out the way anti-abortion proponents are utterly silent on the idea of punishment being meted out to men if abortion were to be made illegal by federal law. It's a very effective joke, which of course is why you elected to chime in anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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Jokes about "Drive-Through Abortion Clinics" are guaranteed knee-slappers among the American Left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 08/21/2008

HRC now please! BO dropping in the polls and losing ground. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 36 fans permalink
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Why is HRC letting this happen to O's numbers? I haven't heard her stepping up as a surrogate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Hill isn't your mother. She campaigns where O asks her to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 08/21/2008

The only recourse to this attack is to call a news conference and explain it to the public - it's the only thing that will work. Do it and do it now, otherwise it will be too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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Bad idea.

Take another vacation and let the media handle it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 08/20/2008
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 36 fans permalink
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You would like that, wouldn't you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 08/20/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 52 fans permalink
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why don't you take a vacation from being uninformed and do some research

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 08/20/2008
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Right, evertime Obama is attacked with lies, he must respond. Yet, everytime McSame is questioned or attacked he brushes it off and doesn't feel the need to answer. Why is this? Because the MSM is not following up and holding McSame to the same standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/20/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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Nah. It will come up in the debates, he can address it then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/20/2008

It is my opinion that everyone has a right to their morality but it cannot be legislatured. I am of an age whereby I've lived through those times of illegal abortions. I lost 2 friends to illegal abortions at the tender age of 15 and 17. The both bleed to death. I remember the days of women using coat hangers to extract an unwanted pregnancy and going on to either losing their uterus or causing scarring that led to them be sterile.

As I reflect back to those days I am pained for these were women who were destined to be contributors of good to society and because of an error in judgment they both lost their lives. Had it been legal, I dare to say where we would all be today, but I do know that ALL women should have complete autonomy over their bodies. This issue should not and cannot be of debate nor legislated.

Yes, abortions are painful to many of who are pro-choice as well as those who are pro-life, however, it is NOT MY RIGHT to say what is in the best interest of another as I also volunteer for many youth organizations and I have yet to determine which is more painful - children that have been born and later mentally, physically and sexually abused or the death of my friends who died of illegal abortions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 08/20/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

Hear, Hear!!!! No man has the right to tell or legislate a woman on what she does in the most difficult of situations. Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 08/20/2008

A child can have an abortion but can't drink, work at a strip club, or get a tatto. Margaret Sanger is smiling, especially since a brother is pushing her agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 08/20/2008

On the ballot will the name be Barack Obama or Barack Soetoro?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 08/20/2008

People like you really need to grow up - this election is not a game - there are lives on the line - are you aware that McCain agreed today that he could reinstate the DRAFT? Got Children?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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Oh please.

There ain't gonna be any draft. Why? Because the only ones talking a draft in America are the Democrats, and they only want a draft in order to undermine support for the war. Relax. No one takes these people seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/20/2008

That is yet another lib lie. He said it would take WWIII. Is that underway? Quit drinking kool-aid

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 08/20/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

It's often been said that the best way to stay out of wars is to have a draft. It makes it more personal to people and they think about it more and are more vocal. It might not be a bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 08/20/2008
- lincat I'm a Fan of lincat 2 fans permalink

This election can't be decided on single issues like abortion. The republicans don't care, they are using it to get the evangelical vote. What Obama is saying is that he is not for abortion but that he is for educating young people and that means knowledge about contraceptives which the republicans are against. They want to teach abstinence which doesn't work and as a resul we have std's and unwanted pregnancy's . If Roe vs Wade was to be overturned under a Nuts administration, that wouldn't stop women from trying to get illegal abor tions that would endanger their lives. The republicans think it's okay for insurance to cover viagra and not contraceptives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/20/2008
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 36 fans permalink
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The Republicans never have intended to abolish abortion ... if they really wanted to, they would have done it when they bludgeoned the Dems from 2001-2006. The Repubs like the issue to remain out there for them to use as a wedge and promote divisiveness. Get a clue far right, the Repubs don't really share your values they just use you to win elections. Look at what these clowns have been caught doing in just the last 2 years: adultery, gay sex, graft, greed, bribery, accepting bribes. Are those really your values? Do you really approve of divorce? Do you really approve of adultery? John McCain has done both ... and he did it as sleazily as Newt Gingrich did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- DaRight I'm a Fan of DaRight 6 fans permalink

Say it ain't so O!

Why did'nt you just vote present on the Abortion bill like you did on all the other bills.

No record. O knows the fewer details we have about his past, his friends his politcs the better.

Let them eat cake! (HOPE & CHANGE)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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You're digging, and there ain't no gold in them thar hills my Rethug friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 08/20/2008
- lincat I'm a Fan of lincat 2 fans permalink

Can't you repugs say anything original . It's always the same talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

no but the Community organiser/ u of c law professor does ... and he voted against saving the life of a born child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 08/20/2008

"My friend" you simply can't save the life of a 21-22 week fetus, which are the "births" being described here. They simply don't possess functioning lungs and cannot survive outside the womb. In fact, the cervix becomes dilated the day before the procedure, the act of which is in and of itself a death knell for the non-viable fetus. So all the phony handwringning about the poor healthy babies left for dead on some tiled floor in a sterile clinic is just so much bilgewater. Keep parading your ignorance "my friend" it's very winning, charming and entertaining.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 08/20/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

You really CANNOT comprehend LAW can you? Please stop with the lies. Anyone with half a brain knows what you speak of is not only inhumane, but also CRIMINAL!!! Please for the love of the GOD you believe in educate yourself or get HELP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 08/20/2008

Regarding abortion, Obama will attempt to finish what Margaret Sanger started. Black folk need to look at Obama a bit closer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 08/20/2008
- LexLuthier I'm a Fan of LexLuthier 7 fans permalink
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Betcha Soul (Saul) is whiter than me, and I am a Scandinavian albino who got trapped in a coal mine for two years. Almost three.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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Oh yeah, terrible woman that Margaret Sanger. Giving women the first hope of freedom in 2000 years, fighting against all odds to change the bitter ignorance that people like you wear like a badge of honor. Makes me want to puke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/20/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

your ignorant diatribe should make you want to get some book learnin... Sanger started Planned Parenthood , abortion on demand as a racial cleansing vehicle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 08/20/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 604 fans permalink
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Maybe YOU need to look at black people a little closer. It may help you to see that we're not a monolithic group of people who conform to your stereotypes, and if you ARE black, then maybe you need to examine yourself a little closer.

Margaret Sanger was a pioneer who saved millions of lives through her courageous effort to bring birth control to women who would have otherwise died in self-performed or back-alley abortions. If Senator Obama pursues Ms. Sanger's model in preserving the health and life of women, then that is a good thing. It may also enlighten you to know that black women are far from the only women, or even the majority of women, who must make the difficult choice of abortion. It may have also helped if you had researched Margaret Sanger before using her name to cast judgment on Senator Obama or the black community.

Pro-choice is not a black or white concern. It is an American and world concern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/20/2008

Ramirez, will you vote for a O-ba-ma / Cl-in-ton ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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No, of course not. No one would.

The Dems best lineup is Hillary/0bama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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Pfffft.tthoikdnuf huh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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Let's see POTUS, or token black guy in the White House, which would you choose?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 08/20/2008
- SENCvoter I'm a Fan of SENCvoter 7 fans permalink
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Yeah, right. Hillary was a saint. NOT! Stolen items from the White House, gifts in excess of $85,000 unreported, the list goes on and on and on. Wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 08/20/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I think many would have voted for that ticket but the Democrats have messed this gimme election up so badly I wouldn't think anyone would trust any of them to run the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 08/20/2008
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Ramirez? Ramirez! oh,no...he's slipped back into his coma...mumbling about another President Clinton....No,no,let him stay under until after the election...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 08/21/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

The question is how many children were not born that would have been born if abortion was illegal. I know quite a few women who had several abortions and they ended up with anywhere from 1 to 3 children. So if a woman plans to have 3 children and she has that many, but also throws in a few abortions, then demographically, she did ok, except there would still be a delay in the babies being born. Usually, the woman has less children then she would have had if abortion were not legal. Also, you have to factor in that a percentage of women would have illegal abortions. Abortion is a symptom of a larger problem created when women started living lives similar to men. Once women reached this point in the 1960s, Western Civilization probably became doomed. Immigrants who could care less about America are having to be brought in because there are not enough kids to do those jobs that were a rite of passage when I was a teenager in the 80s. A woman's choice is probably a Nation's downfall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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The question is how long can neo cons use this ruse to make themselves feel moral. You had the House. You had the Senate. You had the Presidency. You had the Supreme Court. You did NOTHING. You don't care about this issue. You don't give a whit about the unborn.

You're a lshill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

I care but remember, I am guided by the natural world. Nature doesn't equip men to care too much about another man's baby. It goes against the first law of Nature and also promulgation of the species. Some other primates as well as other animals will actually kill the offspring of a female so they can then mate and pass on their genes.
Regarding the politics, you just stepped in it. You guys have been saying that if McCain gets in there, the women will lose their access to abortion; then you admit the R's had power and didn't touch the issue. So, scaring women about this issue is purely bogus. Thanks for admitting it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 08/20/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

yeah but look at what you guys did to the country in two short years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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There are elements of validity in your post.

"Western Civilization" is indeed suffering from low birthrate. It is becoming critical in Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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You are both on some form of hallucin.. (sp) drugs. The world's population growth is showing absolutely no signs of slowing on any continent. We are spinning right towards self extinction, and we don't even know it. Makes me crack up sometimes, what people think to give themselves a warm and fuzzy concerning procreation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 08/20/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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A quick Google tells me there were approx 7 new humans created for every one aborted, and those are only the reported births. In case you haven't been watching much TV, the rest of the world recreates much faster and with less restaint than our puritanical little hutch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

"low birth rate' Thank God. I live in northern LA County and we are having trouble securing water for new housing and business. I welcome low birth rate. We encourage it with out dogs and cats. Why not us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/21/2008
- Summer71 I'm a Fan of Summer71 2 fans permalink

A woman's choice is a Nation's downfall? Dude. The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopic novel not a how-to manual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 08/20/2008
- SENCvoter I'm a Fan of SENCvoter 7 fans permalink
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So, blame the women. WTF? Will you be happy to keep women in perpetual bondage to child-bearing and child-rearing, never being able to unfold their full potential as equal members of society? You are a dark knight from the dark ages. BAAAAAAD!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Are you saying they were in bondage until 1973?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 08/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

In the 90s during the war in Bosnia or Serbia, men would raid villages and towns and rape the women and then hold them prisoners until they gave birth. I guess they were pro-life like our republicans. Some of them want even rape victims to carry to term. What's the difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/21/2008

Or better yet, how many babies do you republicans send to die in your needless wars.

You guys are so hypocritical for you state you are pro-life yet wage 'illegal' wars (that kill many innocent women and children) and you elected a president from a state that killed the most people in your 'illegal' death penalty stance - how many people have you killed with these 'pro-life' stances?

I guess you Repugs have it all figured out - you want to use women to procreate the children that will either be killed in your wars and/or your death penalties to show your hard stances on crime?

Doesn't these views make you Republicans - pro-choice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 08/20/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I absolutely pro-choice but your "how many babies do you republicans send to die in your needless wars" argument is a weak one. We have a volunteer army.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/20/2008
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The same (mostly) chickenhawk Republicans that don't want women having abortions are the same ones who will complain about there being too many Useless Eaters down the road...to them,WAR is population control,not abortion.
These same buk-buks that drone on about the "culture of life" have no qualms about blowing to bits some non-white men,women,and children in some other country.
And a lot of these church-going,pro-life folk would be the first to tell their mistress to abort their "love" child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/21/2008

Is Barry's Global Poverty Act designed to help out his poor brother that resides in a hut? I would think that a leader as great, kind, and powerful as Barry would watch out for his family. He has demanded that we give more .....why doesn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 08/20/2008

He doesn't need a handout. He's pretty good with his fists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/20/2008
- truegreen I'm a Fan of truegreen 25 fans permalink

Dude,

Seriously, get a woman/man or something...u have way too much time on ur hands be to writing about nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 08/20/2008

Dude, what are you writing about? Going to Denver?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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Bootstraps!

It'll build character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- lincat I'm a Fan of lincat 2 fans permalink

Said like a true repug, Ramirez

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 08/20/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

Gee when will Cindy McCain helps her poor half sisters living in poverty in this country ?? Pot kettle ya know what I mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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Who says they live in poverty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Obama's brother doesn't have running water and could die at any time in the skirmishes there. Her sisters are fine, they are not starving; they just aren't rich. I guess you're joking but that's a pretty idiotic comparison. Plus, she isn't running for president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/20/2008
- DaRight I'm a Fan of DaRight 6 fans permalink

His brother make $12 a year.


O pony up and send him a $12 check to double his income.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 08/20/2008
- truegreen I'm a Fan of truegreen 25 fans permalink

There are a lot of morons and trolls on this particular message board tonight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

Yep and saying nothing really!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- LexLuthier I'm a Fan of LexLuthier 7 fans permalink
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Can you imagine what the last week of october is going to be like?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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It's not gonna be barry friendly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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Someone said that the name 'Barry' is a codeword they use to let each other know they are onthread, that they are fellow tr*lls, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Barry was his name before he joined the black liberation movement (international communism); so many of us prefer Barry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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This is the topic that gives them meaning. They can rattle off and feel high and moral. And when you remind them that the entire government was Republican for SIX YEARS, they don't answer your post. They know they're a bunch of shills.

They're desperately trying to change the subject.

DESPERATE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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tax cuts... check
2nd amendment... check
"faith-based" stuff... check
FISA... check
surge... check
surge A-stan... check
off-shore drilling... check
partial-birth ... check

Coming soon under the bus .... Roe v Wade!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/20/2008
- LexLuthier I'm a Fan of LexLuthier 7 fans permalink
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Continue our decline into third world status... check

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 08/20/2008

And here I thought we lost the chance to vote for the "conservative alternative" to JMac when Mitt was defeated in the primaries...

Pretty soon BHO will be to the right of Attila.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/20/2008

Pastor...check
Typical white grandmother...check
Frank Marshall Davis....check (I think)
Hillary....check

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/20/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

I hope you of draft age............McSame will be sending your smart a$$ to Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 08/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Oh boo hoo hoo.

That really hurt.

THEY GOT NOTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 08/20/2008

This is getting silly. Obama voted against a version of BAIPA that had the Roe-neurality lingo included, and he got caught red-handed telling a lie about it. If you want to mount a coherent effort to "fight the smear" first acknowledge the facts of the matter. Wallowing in denial just makes your guy look even worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 08/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
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And NEVER accuse the other guys of lying, especially when they have documents with your name on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 08/20/2008

What the hell are you even talking about? Where is the lie? Over what? He voted the way he voted and it's a matter of public record. Use of the inflammatory phrase "infanticide" is the lie, and anti-abortionists will one day regret they raised their ugly heads over this ridiculous non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/20/2008
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