US, Poland OK missile defense base, riling Moscow

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VANESSA GERA and MONIKA SCISLOWSKA | August 20, 2008 06:09 PM EST | AP

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, left, and Poland's Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, right, shake hands after signing an agreement to place a U.S. missile defense base in northern Poland, at the prime minister's office in Warsaw, Poland, Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2008. The formal signing comes six days after the two countries agreed to a deal that will see 10 U.S. interceptor missiles placed just 115 miles (180 kilometers) from Russia's westernmost frontier. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a possible military response.

For many Poles _ whose country has been a staunch U.S. ally _ the accord represented what they believed would be a guarantee of safety for themselves in the face of a newly assertive Russia.

Negotiators sealed the deal last week against a backdrop of Russian military action in Georgia, a former Soviet republic turned U.S. ally, that has worried former Soviet satellites across eastern Europe. It prompted Moscow's sharpest rhetoric yet over the system, which it contends is aimed at Russia despite Washington's insistence the site is purely defensive.

After Wednesday's signing, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice dismissed any suggestion the 10 missile defense interceptors _ which Washington says are intended to defend Europe and the U.S. from the possible threat of long-distance missiles from Iran _ represent a threat to Russia.

"Missile defense, of course, is aimed at no one," Rice said. "It is in our defense that we do this."

She denounced an earlier threat from a Russian general to target NATO member Poland, possibly even with nuclear weapons, for accepting the facility.

Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.

"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

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Poland has been a staunch U.S. ally in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It sent combat troops into Iraq as part of the U.S.-led coalition and had 2,300 troops deployed there at its peak. That has been reduced to about 900, who will be pulled out in October. At the same time, Poland has been building up its military presence in Afghanistan, where it currently has some 1,600 troops.

Hours after the signing, Russia's Foreign Ministry warned that Moscow's response would go beyond diplomacy. The system to be based in Poland lacks "any target other than Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles," it said in a statement, contending the U.S. system "will be broadened and modernized."

"In this case Russia will be forced to react, and not only through diplomatic" channels, it said without elaborating.

Democratic Rep. Ellen Tauscher, who leads a key appropriations panel for missile defense, praised the deal. But she said that Democratic lawmakers intend to withhold funding for the interceptors planned for Poland until they are properly tested, a move that could delay the deployment for years.

The deal follows an earlier agreement to place the second component of the missile defense shield _ a radar tracking system _ in the neighboring Czech Republic, another formerly communist country now in NATO.

"We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told Rice after the signing.

Many Poles agreed. "After what happened in Georgia, I believe that this is good protection for us," said Kazimierz Dziuba, 49, a hospital worker in Warsaw.

The Georgian conflict "made the Americans agree to this deal sooner because the Russians are getting too bossy," Dziuba said.

Not all Poles were happy, however.

Alina Kesek, an 82-year-old retired office clerk who lived through World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union divided Poland between them, and then experienced four decades of Moscow-dominated communist rule, said the Patriot missiles were a "kind of provocation" toward Russia.

"This means a threat from the Russian side," said Kesek. "I am not very pleased with this deal."

Some residents in the northern Polish town of Redzikowo, where the missile defense facility will be located, fear it may expose them to retaliatory attacks or other dangers.

Along with the main deal, the two nations signed a so-called "declaration on strategic cooperation," which is to deepen their military and political partnership.

It includes a mutual commitment to come to each other's assistance immediately if one is under attack _ enhancing existing obligations both have as NATO members.

The declaration also was accompanied by a promise from the U.S. to help modernize Poland's armed forces and to place a battery of Patriot missiles there by 2012.

Rice said the deal "will help both the alliance and Poland and the United States respond to the coming threats."

Poland and the United States spent a year and a half in formal talks, which snagged in the final phase on Poland's demands for the Patriot missiles and other points.

However, the deepening U.S.-Polish friendship dominated Wednesday's proceedings.

"In troubled times the most important thing is to have friends," Rice said. "But it is more important to have friends who share your values and your aspirations and your dreams. And Poland and the United States are those kind of friends."

Approval for the missile defense sites is still needed from the Czech and Polish parliaments. No date has been set for lawmakers in Warsaw to vote, but the deal enjoys the support of the largest opposition party as well as of the government.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee, traveling with Rice, and Desmond Butler in Washington contributed to this report.

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a ...
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- dogman44 I'm a Fan of dogman44 50 fans permalink
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Wow! Cold War deja vu all over again. Remember "Duck and Cover"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 08/20/2008
- 70sFez I'm a Fan of 70sFez 22 fans permalink
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"There once was a turtle by the name of Bert, and Bert the turtle was very alert, ...."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 08/20/2008

I think we're going to sit this one out.Whatev­er Russia does,do we have anything left other than a nuclear response? Sanctions? Bluster?Get serious folks,our fearless leader has put the whole world in bind,who can count on us now?I'm not just saying this as a Democrat,R­epublicans are just as aware,they know why their "Brand" is in the sewer,because they are too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/20/2008

This is terrible news for those of us with loved ones (who are American citizens) living in Russia. My brother is currently stuck in the Ukraine while Russia reviews his Visa. His car, job, and apartment are in Moscow. This is just absolutely scary. And Condi fails to realize this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- Andman0121 I'm a Fan of Andman0121 24 fans permalink
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Get those missiles out of Poland before World War III erupts! Hell, its THEIR backyard anyway! How would we handle their putting missiles ANYWHERE in the Western Hemisphere? War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/20/2008

Missile defense works best when you have launch spots all over the globe. So there's definitely a great incentive to plant them in Poland. But that would almost certainly cause a global conflict.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- dogman44 I'm a Fan of dogman44 50 fans permalink
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We didn't object when Russia put missles in Cuba. Why are they objecting to us doing the
same? It's all in the name of peace and cooperation right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 08/20/2008
- 530Rose I'm a Fan of 530Rose 2 fans permalink

beg to differ - we sorta objected..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 08/21/2008

Liberal dumbasses fail to understand the difference between 'missile defense' and 'missile offense'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 08/20/2008
- dogman44 I'm a Fan of dogman44 50 fans permalink
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Once the site is there it could be modified to launch medium range ballistic missiles.
Dumba$$, great word. Am I correct in assuming you apply it to all who dare disagree
with you, or your agenda, or your fantasy, Sir Knight?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- SlithyTove I'm a Fan of SlithyTove 11 fans permalink

Wingnuts are such linear thinkers that one must refuse, hackneyed as that line is, to engage in a duel of wits with an unarmed twit.

Nevertheless, here goes: the capability for sound missile defense (which by the way is still only a Star Wars fantasy, despite all the brainwashing of the Reagan years) by Nation A gives it immediate superiority in a war game scenario over Nation B. It upsets the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction, or Mexican standoff) balance of power that has kept this nuclear powder keg of a planet from self-destructing, and provides a positive incentive for Nation A to carry out a preemptive (heard that term before? WE'D never do THAT, would we?) first strike with impunity.

Would we be just as cool with Russian "defensive" systems coming on line in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela? Go find someone to explain game theory to you with cartoons and words of no more than two syllables.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 08/20/2008

Cold War 2, World War 3... hm... just another beautiful day in the safe little blogospher­e...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 08/20/2008

Russia Warns Of Possible Attack Against Poland Over Missile Deal With US? Da! America would do exactly the same if Russia put missiles in Cuba - again! So why should Russia behave any different? American foreign policy is a joke. Not only has the Bush administration created another unnecessary front with Russia, it has now distracted itself from the War on Terror. And Republicans are suppose to be stronger on foreign policy? What a bunch of hogwash!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 08/20/2008
- lboucher I'm a Fan of lboucher 2 fans permalink

Iraqi and U.S. negotiators have completed a draft security agreement that would see American troops leave Iraqi cities as soon as June 30, Iraqi and American officials told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 08/20/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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somebody better inform mccain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 08/20/2008
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There is much speculation that the missile platforms that Russia placed in Ossetia, in a attempt to thwart the US military from intervening, were armed with tactical nukes. Apparently Russia feels that it's conventional military is no match for the US military and that their only recourse is to respond with nukes.

We probably came much closer to a nuclear sparing match with Russia, than most Americans are aware of.

Thank all your Republican friends for helping to facilitate such a scenario. It's only a matter of time now before all out nuclear war breaks out. That's what happens when you let religious fanatics, that believe in the biblical myth of Armageddon, in charge of your country.

Be afraid... be VERY afraid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 08/20/2008
- Pyrrhus I'm a Fan of Pyrrhus 7 fans permalink

Cap-

I'm not entirely sure I believe in the speculation going around- first use of tactical nukes doesn't fit in with Russia's traditional military tactics.

From what I remember and have researched, the old Soviet doctrine (which the Russian Federation has kept) emphasizes conventional forces because they're much larger than the West's. The attack on Georgia exemplifies what they would have done in central Europe- a surprise attack by overwhelming force along a broad and deep front. Since Soviet units have been generally not as wel trained as Western counterparts, and since 1981 clearly technologically inferior, this type of attack makes sense. First use of tactical nukes against a Soviet invasion was a NATO strategy since at least 1952.

I also don't think we could have had a large force intervene for obvious reasons- overdeployment, overcommitment, escalation

However, with the supposed state of affairs in the Russian military, who knows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- Stanley I'm a Fan of Stanley 5 fans permalink

The political implications are huge but to prvoke Russia to win a General Election is not the likely scenario. Much of what is happening is in response to Russia, not as a move to create chaos. Russia has been systematically working at amassing wealth, power and both political, economic and military influence. The goal is to rebuild the mighty empire and its gravitas on the world stage. The loss of the Cold War was economic not as much military. Centralizing the energy wealth at the top and using it to bully neighbors is he new plan. How much it works will be followed by military bluster in order to gather back any of the weak or allied territory they can grab. The US is in a weak position because of a prolongued wars on two fronts which are eating at our resources and degrading our goodwill. The meak europeans will not wrestle the bear until it has already decimated and plundered. The eastern europeans will however do anything to not return to pre-1992 status. Their economic growth and prosperity as well as self rule are vital to the future. Especially Ukraine! This is the big prize Russia covets. Georgi has the competing pipeline but Ukraine has the wheat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/20/2008

Hey Russia! Only the US is allowed to systematically work at amassing wealth, power and .... military influence. Only the US is allowed to build a mighty empire. Only the US may centralize energy wealth and use it to bully other countries.
Hey Russia. Play by OUR rules!

!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/20/2008
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If Russia attacks a NATO member, all other NATO members are obligated to counter-attack.

Welcome to WWIII. Make sure and thank all of your friends that voted for Bush, for making this all possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 08/20/2008
- steeler5 I'm a Fan of steeler5 3 fans permalink

To think people think Bush is stupid and by your logic he created communism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/20/2008
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Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 08/20/2008
- tbrnotb I'm a Fan of tbrnotb 18 fans permalink

Another brilliant post from a Steeler fan! Forget to take your meds today?
go browns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/20/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

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Isn't this convenient? Which one of McCains surrogates said a few months ago that a new "conflict" would boost McCains chances to win? It is starting to look like the Republicans are pulling off a new conflict just in time to help McCain. How far would Bush and the boys go to keep power? Just wondering.­.

As Marlon Brando replied in 'The Wild One', waddya got?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 8 fans permalink
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To borrow their phrase: “they are rolling out a product”. Like the Iraq’s WMD and all that followed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- steeler5 I'm a Fan of steeler5 3 fans permalink

Let's try this in a way that you might understand. A guy comes by and offers to sell you an alarm system for your house. Your interested but not quite sure. Several weeks later your neighbor is broken into and is robbed. Now you pick up the phone and ask to see that alarm system as soon as possible. Bush would have to be the ultimate strategist to scheme with Poland over 2 years ago in accepting a missile defense system so he could get his buddy McCain elected. I know, I know he planned it and was able to get Georgia to start a fight with Russia so operation "Defeat the Democrat" could begin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/20/2008
- SuiginTou7 I'm a Fan of SuiginTou7 69 fans permalink
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Yeah, if you believe George is that smart, Major Tom, I know it's time to get you back in the spacecraft , the air in your suit is gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 08/20/2008
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 39 fans permalink
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I think the whole Georgia provocatio­n/invasion was a set-up to goad the Poles into signing the anti-missile defense system. Saakashvili got a green light from the Bush admin to clamp down on the two Russian sympathizer areas, then Russia sent in tanks (conveniently unobserved by satellite surveillance) and scared the bejesus out of the Poles. Who benefits? Arms manufacturers. Who loses? Everyone else.

Then there's the Georgia/Mc­Cain/Randy Scheunemann loyybing issue simmering below the surface and the likelyhood that McCain's staff was fully briefed on the whole plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 08/20/2008
- chonus I'm a Fan of chonus 16 fans permalink
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Who benefits? that is the question that needs to be asked... good points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 08/20/2008

The problem that we in the USA have is that we've had Bush as President for going on 8 years, along with many other idiots (Ds and Rs) in Congress. Bush strutted around like a banty rooster on steroids but he didn't have any sense. Congress passed every "free trade" agreement that Wall St wanted. They failed to enforce immigration laws so that we can import illegal labor.

The world told us that we were wrong to invade Iraq, but we were the USA and did it anyway. As a result not only do we have zero moral authority (that's become a new term for the USA) to tell others not to invade other countries. BUT.....un­like in WW2 era we no longer have any power or financial wherewithal. This IS the can of worms that permitting Bush to open a preemptive war in Iraq has created and many warned us of such a result.

US citizens need to know that we have been mis-managed by incompetent leadership that has bankrupted us and now we have other countries with loads of our dollars and resources willing to kick sand in our face if we get too uppity. You could almost read Putin's mind 7 years ago as he was seething at Bush's arrogance and at the same time saying that our time is coming. We need to be very careful that the same political incompetence doesn't involve us in a more disastrous war for the sake of politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 08/20/2008
- basta I'm a Fan of basta 6 fans permalink

A little history from WWII: Germany invaded Poland in September 1939. France, England and bunch of other countries declared war on Germany, but sat on their hands for six months. The Soviets also invaded eastern Poland. Why Europe didn't declare war on the Soviets also is unclear to me. The Soviets claimed they were protecting Soviet nationals in Poland...A­lso, Germany was the real threat and everybody knew it, so the Soviets limited the German advance.

The fact that the Allies did nothing against Germany for six months, which is when Germany invaded France, is very telling. Poland is not considered vital as it has no oil, and does not border any major routes of trade, ... So if Russia takes Poland, NATO will cry out, but do nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 08/20/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 54 fans permalink
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The biggest cliche of all is that History repeats itself; it DOES NOT. Countries change, people change, the economies change; alliances, demographics, local culture, interest change. Macro and micro conditions change. To talk of the lessons history might teach us is fine, but it is not the same as having some fatalistic replay view of important events.

This kind of discourse derails real debate. We are not back in the thirties, forties and fifties; most people cannot relate to those events and, rightly, neither should they, as they are not a part of their experience. I imagine it's difficult to let go of the things you lived through or, which influenced you; but, that's the irony, metanarratives, as Karl Marx would have ithem, have long been discredited.

Each event is unique, each relationship particular, every motivation relational, every bogeyman circumstantial. let's not devalue our present and future by making it a mirrow of a distant past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/20/2008
- Andman0121 I'm a Fan of Andman0121 24 fans permalink
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You're right IDEALLY but wrong REALISTICALLY. True, many nations change and/or have changed their mindsets since the Cold War. However a defense alliance is a defense alliance is a defense alliance. If one nation is attacked it is the obligation to come to that country's defense. If Poland is attacked by Russia you better believe that World War III will happen. No one will twiddle their thumbs if we see Russian tanks in Eastern Europe, simple as that.

I agree that we should not devalue our present and future by making them a mirror of the distant past. I think it is kind of silly for anyone to be making World War II narratives and similarities because those were totally different events. But again you have to look at this situation with this, and only this, train of logic:
NATO = mutual defense
Anyone attacks a NATO country = overblown war that will end the world

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

The US is not provoking the Russian bear. Bush went out of his way and specifically said that Russia should confine their military actions to the two breakaway republics. This was US tacit agreement that Russia could seize these two territories. Russia thanked us by being even more bellicose.
However, the former Soviet bloc countries are alarmed and now Poland asked to sign the missile defense treaty. Before the Russian action, Poland was not going to sign the agreement. The real reason the Bear attacked is because they are propping up oil prices and they want to try and seize the Georgian pipeline if they get the chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 08/20/2008

"The US is not provoking the Russian bear. Bush went out of his way and specifically said that Russia should confine their military actions to the two breakaway republics"

Where did Bush say this? Do you have a link? I was under the impression that Bush and Co. were very adamant in their disapproval of Russia's military actions in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 08/20/2008
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