US, Poland OK missile defense base, riling Moscow

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VANESSA GERA and MONIKA SCISLOWSKA | August 20, 2008 06:09 PM EST | AP

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, left, and Poland's Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, right, shake hands after signing an agreement to place a U.S. missile defense base in northern Poland, at the prime minister's office in Warsaw, Poland, Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2008. The formal signing comes six days after the two countries agreed to a deal that will see 10 U.S. interceptor missiles placed just 115 miles (180 kilometers) from Russia's westernmost frontier. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a possible military response.

For many Poles _ whose country has been a staunch U.S. ally _ the accord represented what they believed would be a guarantee of safety for themselves in the face of a newly assertive Russia.

Negotiators sealed the deal last week against a backdrop of Russian military action in Georgia, a former Soviet republic turned U.S. ally, that has worried former Soviet satellites across eastern Europe. It prompted Moscow's sharpest rhetoric yet over the system, which it contends is aimed at Russia despite Washington's insistence the site is purely defensive.

After Wednesday's signing, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice dismissed any suggestion the 10 missile defense interceptors _ which Washington says are intended to defend Europe and the U.S. from the possible threat of long-distance missiles from Iran _ represent a threat to Russia.

"Missile defense, of course, is aimed at no one," Rice said. "It is in our defense that we do this."

She denounced an earlier threat from a Russian general to target NATO member Poland, possibly even with nuclear weapons, for accepting the facility.

Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.

"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

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Poland has been a staunch U.S. ally in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It sent combat troops into Iraq as part of the U.S.-led coalition and had 2,300 troops deployed there at its peak. That has been reduced to about 900, who will be pulled out in October. At the same time, Poland has been building up its military presence in Afghanistan, where it currently has some 1,600 troops.

Hours after the signing, Russia's Foreign Ministry warned that Moscow's response would go beyond diplomacy. The system to be based in Poland lacks "any target other than Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles," it said in a statement, contending the U.S. system "will be broadened and modernized."

"In this case Russia will be forced to react, and not only through diplomatic" channels, it said without elaborating.

Democratic Rep. Ellen Tauscher, who leads a key appropriations panel for missile defense, praised the deal. But she said that Democratic lawmakers intend to withhold funding for the interceptors planned for Poland until they are properly tested, a move that could delay the deployment for years.

The deal follows an earlier agreement to place the second component of the missile defense shield _ a radar tracking system _ in the neighboring Czech Republic, another formerly communist country now in NATO.

"We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told Rice after the signing.

Many Poles agreed. "After what happened in Georgia, I believe that this is good protection for us," said Kazimierz Dziuba, 49, a hospital worker in Warsaw.

The Georgian conflict "made the Americans agree to this deal sooner because the Russians are getting too bossy," Dziuba said.

Not all Poles were happy, however.

Alina Kesek, an 82-year-old retired office clerk who lived through World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union divided Poland between them, and then experienced four decades of Moscow-dominated communist rule, said the Patriot missiles were a "kind of provocation" toward Russia.

"This means a threat from the Russian side," said Kesek. "I am not very pleased with this deal."

Some residents in the northern Polish town of Redzikowo, where the missile defense facility will be located, fear it may expose them to retaliatory attacks or other dangers.

Along with the main deal, the two nations signed a so-called "declaration on strategic cooperation," which is to deepen their military and political partnership.

It includes a mutual commitment to come to each other's assistance immediately if one is under attack _ enhancing existing obligations both have as NATO members.

The declaration also was accompanied by a promise from the U.S. to help modernize Poland's armed forces and to place a battery of Patriot missiles there by 2012.

Rice said the deal "will help both the alliance and Poland and the United States respond to the coming threats."

Poland and the United States spent a year and a half in formal talks, which snagged in the final phase on Poland's demands for the Patriot missiles and other points.

However, the deepening U.S.-Polish friendship dominated Wednesday's proceedings.

"In troubled times the most important thing is to have friends," Rice said. "But it is more important to have friends who share your values and your aspirations and your dreams. And Poland and the United States are those kind of friends."

Approval for the missile defense sites is still needed from the Czech and Polish parliaments. No date has been set for lawmakers in Warsaw to vote, but the deal enjoys the support of the largest opposition party as well as of the government.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee, traveling with Rice, and Desmond Butler in Washington contributed to this report.

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a ...
WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a ...
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- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

I wonder if Condi and Junior's paramour, Victor Ashe, hit the "show clubs" afterward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- nostalgia I'm a Fan of nostalgia 10 fans permalink

It seems all the bloggers here are really against the crazy bravado of the Bush/McCain policy to plunge the US and the world into a very dangerous nuclear world. Can you, the sane Americans, do something about it? Can you take to the streets? Can you help Obama camp more?
We, Canadians, are also very concerned. We wish we could do something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

The world need to show more strength and denounce escalation now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 08/20/2008
- slaxx I'm a Fan of slaxx 37 fans permalink
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seriously...will someone step in and please stop our stupid a**es. we are so arrogant that we see russia not listening to us and not doing what we want them to do as somehow a sign that they want to go to war with us. how is that so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 08/21/2008
- JShankel I'm a Fan of JShankel 113 fans permalink
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Bush isn't the problem here. He's a petulant manchild who will stamp his feet and talk about Russia's "nukular" ambitions.

But the bottom line is he's got no options. Already "the generals" have told him that picking a fight with Iran is a non-starter. What are we going to do? Rush to Georgia's aid? Invade Russia? Arm Poland?

Literally, Bush and what army? Where is this army? And how will we pay for it? Borrow from China? Great. And how long before Russia starts buying up those chips?

Putin will just wait him out, rile him, goad him, humiliate him and keep setting up his deals with the real players here: Syria, Iran, China, Pakistan, Iraq.

Take, hold, build. Wasn't that the strategy of the oh so successful Surge(tm)? Or was that caffeine free diet Surge(tm)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/20/2008

Do we know any Poles or Polish immigrants we can talk/write to and get Poland to keep us off Polish turf? Poland has been pro-USA for decades but Poland must understand that pro-USA means anti-Bush. It is against our national interest and against Poland's national interest to allow those ABMs into Poland. Get in touch with Poles or people with Polish contacts and get Poland to rescing that recent agreement. Do it now.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/20/2008

is this a hate site? i mean im a dem. but some of you are just plain mean and abusive with your language.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 08/20/2008

Who is that behind that Panero moniker? Pelosi or Reid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 8 fans permalink
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For those of you who don’t know BERNARD-HENRI LÉVY is French equivalent of Christopher Hitchens. Draw your own conclusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 08/20/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

Who said this?: Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

Vladimir Putin borrowing a quote from the godfather.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 08/20/2008

Are these people on drugs? Is that the simple answer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 08/20/2008

Russia will put defensive missiles in Syria and Iran (they are welcomed there BTW, so they won't be forcing anyone.

Just like the USA can push Poland into having missiles on their soil...............Russia can also put missiles on their friends soil.

Only a total hypocrite would say that was wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Israel rather easily penetrated Soviet missile anti-aircraft systems last year. Syria can waste their money on that junk if they want to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 08/20/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

What about the nu kes? Are they junk too? Let's stop talking arrogant. Let's start being humble about war for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 08/20/2008
- Balloonman I'm a Fan of Balloonman 13 fans permalink
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We are arming the world our favor for us. We often provide munitions to our friends soon enemies we bombing the crap out o next instantf. Making sure the MONEY stays the course. That the MONEY SYSTEM network overall remains solid world-wide trade/bartering globally intrinsic to our rulers. Works smoothly thick or thin. No borders are sovereign, including their own, MONEY in the pipe flows. Sounds pragmatic if not sensible. Considering MONEY is what it is ALL about. Bottom line. We, we being MONEY HAS NO HEART OR COUNTRY. And we are the major arms merchants. New and old and used up practically. We are not about to allow a PRESIDENT, any PRESIDENT, to interfere with WAR is the answer! Fear is the key! Now are we? Crumbs for the people? We are doomed without radical change. That close to easy Americans blood shed but of course that is impossible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 08/20/2008
- BruntLIVE I'm a Fan of BruntLIVE 8 fans permalink
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Poor Condie, if she was only white her words would matter and McCain would not be a candidate. Ohhh GOP, your color hang up will see you lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 08/20/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

Last week, I wrote that a dangerous precedent was being set by W's meddling in Georgia/South Ossetia independence problems.

Then I wrote and repeated this morning that this foreign policy blunder (which is to provoke the Bear with Georgia and now Poland) will have consequences much more disastrous than Iraq.

Could it be that jmac will indeed become president because karma for this country is just beginning and must run its course for people to learn the lesson that karma wants to teach this country?

The consequences of W's reign were just the beginning.

As hard as you try, you can't fight karma. This is definitely not auguring well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 08/20/2008
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If I understand KARMA is applies equally to all people and countries

Yes, we have created allot of Karma attacking two innocent counties

And now we point fingers at Russia

More stupid than karmic, but the bad karma for bad deeds will follow its the law of KARMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 08/20/2008
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On the one hand I agree with you. Why provoke Russia? On the other hand Vladamir Putin needs to realize that he can't just walk into other countries like Georgia. Too bad, however, that the US has little credibility after it invaded and occupied Iraq. On balance I think you are right. Typical Republican bully boy tactics. "Lets not negotiate and discuss, lets rather provoke and infuriate and get the United States involved in yet another war. When all is said and done this childish behavior is going to bankrupt the US"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- slaxx I'm a Fan of slaxx 37 fans permalink
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i'm sorry, i just had to pipe in here because people keep mentioning putin. medvedev (sp?) is the russian president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/20/2008

I've been having the same premonition. Karma will ensure we end up with John McCain - to finish the madness wrought by Bush - and to 'finish us off' as a country. That said, I'll keep giving $$ to Obama, and do what I can for November. But I think its somehow out of our hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 08/20/2008
- slaxx I'm a Fan of slaxx 37 fans permalink
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can someone explain to me why we are involving ourselves in this and obviously provoking russia? many scholars agree that nuclear war will most likely result from a mistake or accident rather than deliberation. the more arms we have stationed everywhere, pointing every which way, etc. the more likely that someone will slip and there goes half the earth (they say that the most likely sceniaro is that a defense system will accidently pick up an incoming missile that isn't really there and will automatically retaliate).

that aside, as if the poland ordeal wasn't enough, we are going to be bringing aid to georgia using a destroyer and a port that is surrounded by russian ships. it really looks like we're waiting for something to happen, like we're just taunting them, setting up the perfect circumstances for war. but why? we could obviously obliviate russia - so what are they doing here? we really have to change our stance on war and world affairs. we seemt o think that we HAVE to be involved in and CONTROL every little thing. i don't care about some lame pipeline that might be going through georgia; if soth ossetia wants to break away, let them. forget all these "stratgetic" moves that do nothing but bring us closer and closer to unecessary wars. it seems like we're just using this georgia thing as an "excuse" for our actions, just like 9/11 was the "excuse" for the iraq war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 08/20/2008
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Sorry, Pat forget about Cold War II

America's McCannon, Military, CIA and FBI head long into WW III

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 08/20/2008
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Cross-ocean short-sighted military obligations- the best way to start a nuclear war. Congratulation, Poland - you put yourself yet another time in a position between a rock and a hard place. Is normal peaceful life too boring for you?
Watch Prague and learn. I am 100% sure they won't allow the radar system put on their land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 08/20/2008
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They have a legacy to uphold

Britain and France Attacked Germany the last time someone Attacked them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 08/20/2008
- SwingVoter I'm a Fan of SwingVoter 19 fans permalink
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Is it time to keep an eye and extra security on the U.S.-Russian border?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 08/20/2008
- aBr1t I'm a Fan of aBr1t 13 fans permalink

bomb bomb bomb bomb .. POLAND :o

cant see them attacking poland thats just silly I HOPE!!




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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 08/20/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

They will bo mb the missle defense system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/20/2008
- mnkors I'm a Fan of mnkors 5 fans permalink

patrickjkiger wrote: “Putin crushed dissent and consolidated political and economic power in Russia and turned it into a dictatorship again.”
On the list of the world democracies:
Russia = # 102
Georgia = # 104
Have a nice day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 08/20/2008
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