Did McCain "Agree" On Draft Reinstatement? Not Exactly.

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First Posted: 08-21-08 11:29 AM   |   Updated: 09-21-08 05:12 AM

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Yesterday afternoon, the news that John McCain, at a town hall meeting, had agreed that he was amenable to reinstating the draft blasted into my inbox. Naturally, it piqued my interest, so I thought I'd check it out for myself. Throughout the blogosphere, the quote was being reported thusly:

QUESTIONER: If we don't re-enact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of Hell.

MCCAIN: Ma'am let me say that I don't disagree with anything you have said, and thank you.

Of course, seeing the draft tied to McCain's nonsensical "Gates Of Hell" rhetoric was enough to set my teeth on edge. Military service is a serious matter for those who volunteer for the job and their families - the fact that McCain would ask for more sacrifice to support his rivetingly unserious approach to the War on Terror, is something of an insult.

But, in the interest in being thorough, I watched the available video, and realized that the claim that McCain had agreed to draft Americans to journey to the netherworld was entirely without foundation. Here's the full question:

QUESTIONER: Yes, Senator McCain, I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase bin Laden right to the Gates of Hell and push him in, as you stated on your forum. I do have a question, though.

The disabled veterans, especially in this state, have horrible conditions. Their medical is substandard. They drive four hours one-way to Albuquerque for a simple doctor's appointment, which is often canceled. Our VA hospital is dirty, it's understaffed, it's running on maximum overload. The prescription medications are ten years behind standard medical care. We have 700 claims stacked up at the VA office in Albuquerque. Some of them are ten and seven years old, waiting to be processed. And in the meantime, these people are homeless.

My son is an officer in the Air Force, I'm a vet, and I was raised in a military family. And I think it's a sorry state of affairs. When we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialists, top physicians, the best medical, and our vets can't even get to a doctor. And these are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don't re-enact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of Hell.

[In the interest of full disclosure, I want to point this site briefly provided a link to this post, intimating that McCain had agreed on draft reinstatement. It was subsequently removed.]

That whole second paragraph is what's at stake in this exchange -- the indisputable meat of this particular question. The bit about the draft? Just a rhetorical flourish on the part of the questioner, who is clearly trying to build a case for the quick and deliberate correction of the deplorable conditions our veterans suffer when their service is over and forgotten by all except family members, like this one. And when McCain says, "Ma'am, I don't disagree with anything you just said," it's a real stretch to suggest that he really only means that he agrees with the last sentence of this question. In fact, he has committed himself to an agreement in toto with the questioner's remarks.

Marc Ambinder, whose overall assessment of this aligns with mine, suggests that this is a case of "Liberals...having a conniption." I think Ambinder is overstating it just a bit. This is really a case of McCain's opponents grabbing at the lowest hanging fruit -- putting a "McCain agrees with the draft" meme out there because it's the most shocking thing that can be mined from this exchange, if we agree to ignore the bulk of it. Ambinder notes that McCain has presented himself as opposed to the draft. ThinkProgress defend themselves here, noting that McCain has, in fact, brought up the possibility of reinstating the draft at other times, in a different context.

But there is plenty in this exchange to have a conniption about nevertheless! Do illegal immigrants really jump the line on health care in the zero-sum manner the questioner describes? It may be the case, but it has the sniff of xenophobic urban legend to me. More importantly, though, does McCain's record make his total agreement with the questioner credible? Remember, McCain had ample opportunity to do something positive for veterans by supporting the recently-passed G.I. Bill, but he instead opposed it up until its passage became inevitable, at which time, he started taking credit for it.

And right there is ample meat for pushback in highlighting just how irresponsible and fatuous McCain has been on the issues of veterans' affairs. It's far better to base a disputation of McCain's ability to lead on his actual words and deeds, than on the ones stuffed into his mouth for shocking effect.

Yesterday afternoon, the news that John McCain, at a town hall meeting, had agreed that he was amenable to reinstating the draft blasted into my inbox. Naturally, it piqued my interest, so I thought ...
Yesterday afternoon, the news that John McCain, at a town hall meeting, had agreed that he was amenable to reinstating the draft blasted into my inbox. Naturally, it piqued my interest, so I thought ...
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Well you can't read his nonexisting mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/22/2008

Whether or not he currently would like to reinstate the draft is a moot issue. The facts are that McCain's first instinct with any foreign policy issue is to trot out the military and that the military threat , in addition to being bad foreign policy when used as the first option, holds no water when it cannot be backed up with actual action. We clearly are in no position to commit to any military action with the current state of our armed forces, which are stretched thin and showing few, if any, signs of strengthening in numbers. We have reduced our standards for new recruits. Recruiters are using unethical, even illegal, tactics to draw new enlistees. Fewer vets are willing to re-enlist -- why should they, when we've all seen how they are treated? Our soldiers are sent off to kill and be killed in a war of choice. Their tours are extended. They are kept in through the stop-loss program. They come home with PTSD only to be diagnosed by the Army with a previously­-undiagnos­ed personality disorder, thereby stripping them of VA benefits and leaving them untreated -- no wonder military suicide rates are at (if I'm not mistaken) a record high.

I hate to say it, but I believe only the foolish and/or desperate would choose to enlist under the current Bush or the possible McCain regimes. Reinstating the draft is the only way the military could acquire the manpower necessary to accomplish his goals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/22/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 23 fans permalink
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So you would say that when McCain says "I don't disagree with anything you have said," that means he does not agree with everything she said? What insight do you have to know when McCain is saying what he means or meaning what he says. The premise that "I agree with everything" means he agrees with most, some, but not all, is ridiculous spin.

Add in the fact that this is consistent with McCain’s stance and in embarrassing for you to try and cover for him like this.

John McCain’s existing plans for troop deployment will REQUIRE a draft. His current plan is not possible without a draft. He has stated that a draft would be needed if we got into a world War III situation, and he has separately stated that the middle east conflict is the begging stages of a world war III situation. SO when he says he agrees completely with everything she said I think it is safer to take McCain’s world that he meant what he said or your weak attempt to excuse his poor policy as poor speaking is dangerous and irresponsible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 08/22/2008
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Huh? Jason didn't say that McCain didn't mean what he said (double-negative aside) that he agreed with everything the questioner had to say, just that picking the draft part of the comment to report on/hightlight leaves out the more substantive comments that are even more damning. McCain, by his actions of working against the veterans bill of rights, has proved that he actually does NOT agree with everything the questioner said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 08/22/2008

I agree that it is possible that McCAin was agreeing with some other part of her statement, but when the blogosphere lit up with the suggestion that McCain supported reinstating the draft, why hasn't his campain clarified, if that is not his position (particularly since that viewpoint will hurt him with young voters and women)??? Have any reporters asked him directly under what circumstances he would reinstitute the draft?

Americans deserve to know how many wars McCain wants to fight and under what circumstances he would remove the "voluntary" from our armed forces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 08/22/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 23 fans permalink
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He has been asked directly about a draft. He said the only way he could see a draft was if we got into an "all out world war III situation. He has also stated that the Iraq war is the begginging of an all our world war III situation.

His troop deployment plans are not possible without starting a draft. He is planning on a draft.
This was simply a moment of truth for mcCain.

Vote GOP and get a Free American Coffin Flag for each of your children!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/22/2008

McCain will reinstate the draft, or at least try to. just you wait and see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 08/22/2008
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Draft issue at about 3 minits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN0mReLiOx0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/22/2008
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One more fact -- proving McCain does INDEED support a draft.

* 9/29/2007: McCain said, "I would consider a draft if it could be fairer than the vietnam-era version in which many avoided any risk of being called up using deferments."

Only one thing is holding McCain back from issuing a DRAFT ... The election is not over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 08/22/2008
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Great post and I'm glad to see the whole of what was said. This questioner raised other important issues that certainly are just as meaty as the draft. And, I hope to see some Dem. response about the way we treat our vets and how MCane has voted. Back it up with stats that many in the military are supporting Sen. OB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 08/21/2008
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Here's WHY troops DO support Obama 6:1 over McCain

7/2008:McCain supports rationing healthcare for vets.

6/11/08:Republican FORBES magazine; "McCain's top economic adviser, Doug Holtz-Eakin, blithely supposes that cuts in defense spending could make up for reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%" ie.,cut defense spending to cover corporate tax cuts."

5/22/2008:McCain voted AGAINST Webb'sGI Bill[vote 137]

9/19/2007:McCain voted AGAINST bill specifing minimum periods of time between deployment of units sent to Iraq[vote 341]

5/4/2006:McCain voted AGAINST Amendment that would provide $20 Million to Department of Veterans Affairs for health care facilities[vote111]

4/26/2006:McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote AGAINST $430,000,000 for Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans[vote 98]

3/14/2006:McCain voted AGAINST increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.McCain loves tax loopholes for corporations,he voted for them over veterans' needs[vote 41]

3/10/2004:McCain voted AGAINST increasing Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion[vote40]

10/2/2003:McCain voted to TABLE Amendment by SenDodd that called for additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq[vote376]

4/2/2003:McCain voted to TABLE voting to provide $1 Billion for National Guard Reserve Equipment in Iraq related to shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, tactical vests.[vote116]

Gotta ask, "Why does McCain hate our military so much?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 08/22/2008
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McCain SURE DID agree to begin the draft YESTERDAY AND McCain said twice in the last year he wants to being the DRAFT....
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*On June 28, 2008 - McCain said, "World War III Would Justify Draft."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/25/mccain-world-war-iii-woul_n_109121.html

* September 29, 2007 in New Hampshire about the draft, McCain said he would, “consider it.”
http://votevets.org/news/?id=0165

And on POW-McCain's website
* "McCain believes we must enlarge the size of our armed forces to meet new challenges to our security"

* McCainwebsite, "As requirements expand in the global war on terrorism so must our Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. McCain thinks it is especially important to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps"

* McCainwebsite, "McCain believes we must enlarge the size of our armed forces" * "HOW" will McCain increase size of the military. (Could it be by drafting our kids?)

link: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/054184f4-6b51-40dd-8964-54fcf66a1e68.htm

*As Pat Buchanan (R) said on MSNBC, "no doubt John McCain will be a war president. He's in Putin's face, he's threatening Iran. John McCain is promising you more wars."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Gjc6tkCsk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 08/21/2008
- RRK70 I'm a Fan of RRK70 16 fans permalink

Please stop clouding the issue with FACTS!

nice post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 08/21/2008

Thanks for getting the facts out!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 08/22/2008
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About illegal aliens having great medical care via medicaid: I work in a teaching hospital in a large city close to Mexico. Illegal aliens aren't the only people that have to use Medicaid, but I assure you, no one on Medicaid gets the great care this woman is talking about. The real question is why do any US citizens have to suffer substandard health care? There are plenty of working, tax-paying citizens that don't even have crappy VA health care. They have nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 08/21/2008
- Kim445588 I'm a Fan of Kim445588 4 fans permalink

Common sense should tell us that we can't keep rotating our soldiers forever, so of course he agreed.

Like the ad said, he's not getting his hands on my kiddos. 100 years in Iraq is a long time. Not getting the grandkids either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 08/21/2008
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This isn't exactly a secret. How long can we keep rotating these soldiers. I know one thing MC

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 08/21/2008
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Double post, had a glitch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 08/21/2008
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So many topics to slam the ubican candidate with, we do not even have to say things that would be added on by the Repubican party about judgement and such. We can just show the things he has said, the people he is involved with, his shady Keating five deal. His lack of clarity about his military record, his needing to be grandfathered through the Naval Acadamy his terrible flying record, His phillandering ways his whole life his lack of memory in a Alzhiemer like manner.
And just let the record do the talking. Not like making up slander about Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 08/21/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 23 fans permalink
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I also wonder what pschycologists would say about the effects on a person tortured in a prison camp for 5 years. We know that spending time in our US jail turns people into animals. Is it not likely that he sufferes some serious side effects from that time that would impair his judgement as the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth? American Hero absolutely, but should we deny or overlook the damage this must have done to him? PTSD alone has cause people to snap and McCain went through some pretty bad times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/22/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

Why doesn't anyone go for the obvious question, which takes to heart the lady's concern? Mr. McCain, you've been in Washington for 26 years, you are on the Armed Services Committee of the US Senate. How can you have let your brother veterans down so badly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/21/2008
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Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/21/2008

Gimme a break. Of course, McCain would support the draft, that's why he agreed to the question. the follow on question is how many more wars are you planning, John?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/21/2008
- gage I'm a Fan of gage 4 fans permalink

Jason is correct, and this event is just one more example of why I never fully trust a partisan pundit's account of an opponent's quote. It's too easy to take a quote out of context, or just just truncate it, to make it show the opposite of the speaker's intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 08/21/2008
- ex-pat I'm a Fan of ex-pat 19 fans permalink

Maybe McCain could have refuted the claim had he not been so exhausted he had to take the day off today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 08/21/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 23 fans permalink
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Again your argument is when he said he "agreed with everything she said" he did not mean he agreed with everything she said? He meant the opposite?

The partisan pundit truncated the quote to make it show the opposite of the speakers intent? That is your view on this. His own words, not twisted, not misquoted, not taken out of context, not a miss speak and completley in line with his past statements but because they sound bad for his campaign he must not have meant what he said? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SPIN AN UNTRUSTABLE REPORTING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 08/22/2008
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