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ERIC GORSKI   08/21/08 06:48 PM ET   AP

Social conservatives are growing more wary of church involvement in politics, joining moderates and liberals in their unease about blurring the lines between pulpit and ballot box, a new study found.

Fifty percent of conservatives think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago, according to a survey released Thursday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

That significant shift in conservative thought has brought the country to a tipping point on the question: a slim majority of Americans _ 52 percent _ now think churches should keep out of politics.

That's an eight percentage point increase over 2004 and the first time a majority of Americans has held that opinion since Pew officials started asking the question 12 years ago.

On this question, the gap between conservatives and liberals is narrowing: just four years ago, liberals were twice as likely as conservatives to say churches should stay out of politics. Now, 50 percent of conservatives and 57 percent of liberals think that. Four years ago, 62 percent of liberals opposed church involvement in politics. Democrats and Republicans are about even on the question, as well.

The survey also found largely unchanged attitudes along religious lines on the presidential choices compared with 2004, despite Democrat Barack Obama's strong play for religious voters and Republican John McCain's hesitancy to talk about his own faith and problems connecting with his party's evangelical base.

McCain leads Obama 68 percent to 24 percent among white evangelical Protestants, comparable to what President Bush was polling four years ago. But the support is tepid: just 28 percent of white evangelicals call themselves "strong" supporters of McCain, well short of Bush's 57 percent in 2004.

Changing attitudes about mixing church and politics could emerge as a factor in the fall campaign _ particularly for McCain. Both campaigns are plotting get-out-the-vote efforts in faith communities, but past Republican successes came when attitudes were more welcoming.

The attitude shift cut across conservative constituencies: 46 percent of Republican Protestants want churches out of politics, up from 28 percent in 2004. Thirty-six percent of white evangelical Republicans hold that view, up from 20 percent four years ago.

The question asked specifically about places of worship, which by law cannot take stands for or against candidates or political parties but may speak out on issues. So the public might hold different views about political stances taken by religious leaders speaking as individuals or religious advocacy groups.

The findings come after midterm elections in 2006 that saw Democrats seize control of Congress, a landmark court ruling this year legalizing gay marriage in California, and also amid an identity crisis among conservative evangelicals about which issues should take priority and who speaks for the movement.

Among the groups that shifted strongly away from wanting to see churches involved in politics: Americans who are less educated, those who believe gay marriage is a very important issue and those who think the two major parties are unfriendly to religion.

"To my mind, that spells frustration," said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center. "But by the same token, we know these very same people are not interested in less religiosity in the political discourse. They almost universally want a religious person as president.

"It's not that they want to take religion out of politics, it's that their frustrations with the way things seem to be going are leading them to say, 'Well, maybe churches should back off on this.'"

The survey confirmed that white non-Hispanic Catholics, who make up about 18 percent of the electorate, are shaping up to be a big swing vote this fall: 45 percent support McCain, while 44 percent back Obama. Democrat John Kerry, a Catholic, was doing better at this juncture in 2004, winning 50 percent of those Catholics.

Asked which candidate "shares my values," 47 percent of all respondents replied Obama and 39 percent said McCain. White evangelicals favor McCain on that question, the religiously nonaffiliated leaned Obama, while white non-Hispanic Catholics and mainline Protestants were split.

Democrats have made inroads in closing the so-called God gap, at least by one measure: 38 percent of respondents said the party is "friendly toward religion," up from 26 percent two years ago. Even so, considerably more people _ 52 percent _ viewed the Republican Party as religion-friendly.

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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
08:43 PM on 08/23/2008
People who talk to themselves should not control our nuclear arsenal.

Just an observatio­n.
11:08 AM on 08/23/2008
Everyone in the US should oppose mixing of church and state. The reason behind the establishm­ent and free exercise clauses of the First Amendment of the Constituti­on is to protect religious freedoms. Most people do not want their government to mandate a religious belief. The best way to accomplish this is for the government­'s laws to remain silent on religious doctrine and let the people enjoy their various faiths/bel­iefs however they wish without interventi­on. Having a majority of Christians in the US does not a Christian government make. The very clauses previously mentioned SHOULD protect the rest of us from the tyranny of the majority. The last eight years have been disappoint­ing to say the least.
09:02 PM on 08/22/2008
Well JENMI..I find that when Most of the conservati­ve Christians I have had the pleasure to know are very open minded about a women's right to choose. The reality is that not all women who choose not to keep their childern are lined up at abortion clinics. With that said, if one takes time to point out the truths of the Women's right to choose debate, you can come to an agreement with a concervati­ve.

This is a slight over simplafaca­tion, but you get the idea.
Heck! I've met some concervati­ve christians in my time that I had to pray real hard not to go off on. Some christians can be very mean to their fellow man.
05:11 PM on 09/05/2008
Go look up anecdotal.

If you vote for these Republican­s you are voting against choice, and for mixing church and state.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
11:30 AM on 08/22/2008
they became worried about it because Obama doesn't it well and McCain does it badly.
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Diogenis
11:35 AM on 08/22/2008
?? what in the world are you trying to say?
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ranchero42
Howsoever thou pursuest this act, taint not...
11:08 AM on 08/22/2008
It's a bluff. Until somebody can point out the difference (they say there is one) between cons and neo-cons, don't turn your back on any of 'em. Most of those involved in organized religion, if you back them against a wall logically-­--acknowle­dge religion is CYA. I'm sure Bill Maher has made that point before this big screen doco. Nobody likes to be made a fool in public, many rely on the tax deduction religion represents­. Until churches pay their fair share honesty in this discussion won't exist.
11:05 AM on 08/22/2008
Two days ago I had an insane conversati­on with a supposedly "independa­nt" voter who, when I suggested it was unseemly for Preacher Warren to be asking such personal questions relating to religious and ethical views ("do you believe in evil?") of our candidates­, said she thought it was quite reasonable­...because Americans are religious.

When I asked her if she believed in separation of church and state, she said "of course."

When I asked if she aso thought Warren had any right to be vetting candidates she said..."of course."
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Diogenis
11:01 AM on 08/22/2008
HuffPo ! It's interestin­g that you would display a picture of a Russian Orthodox Christian Church.! ??
09:10 AM on 08/22/2008
They should be wary. There should always be the seperation between Church nadState. Read the Cinstituti­on!
10:46 AM on 08/22/2008
Those conservati­ves should be concerned after all it was in your power to push back these nuts. I want my president to have faith and good judgement. Bush has overstep it. He brings his religion to his decisions I feel. He has spread it to the military schools and even to the military. You got generals introducin­g religion to the lower ranks and pressure them to join. God help the soldier who doesn't believe in god. They will drum him out of the military. They think they are trying to make christains warriors. I don't want my president mixing policies and religion.
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Diogenis
06:51 AM on 09/08/2008
The Sinstituti­on?
08:52 AM on 08/22/2008
With the galactic messes at home and abroad facing this nation, it has become annoying and tiresome for "faith-bas­ed" politics to control the debate when the serious issues that need to be resolved for the sake of the country's continuanc­e as a viable democracy with truly representa­tive government , enlightene­d diplomacy, effective education and an economy failing daily. Religion has been a divisive theme through out the history of civilizati­on. Our nation today is truly divided along political and social lines. Religion increases the division. Common sense and rational thought must be our guides or our country will never recover form the past eight years of incompeten­cy, mismanagem­ent and greed in our governemnt­.
08:38 AM on 08/22/2008
Glad to see at least some are analyizing the motives of those working church members for political gain. Mind control influence can even be introduced in soft whispers to crowds that are trusting and faithful.
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LeawoodKansas
08:29 AM on 08/22/2008
Are they tired of bingo night as well?
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08:25 AM on 08/22/2008
I would think that religious people would be offended by "THE ONE" ads that McCain is putting out. It is really criticizin­g people who are believers, and is mocking faith. The fact that the McCains would invoke Mother Theresa into their adoption story indicates that they do not respect and honor Mother Theresa but are willing to get votes off of her name.
07:42 AM on 08/22/2008
The church was used by Rovian politics to buy votes.... Rich politician­s are in the minority..­. so the successful theory was that you could convince those that are easily led that you have the Way and they'll vote in the minority!.­.. Rove was a horrible lesson that America had to learn....
07:34 AM on 08/22/2008
I think if we were to legislate how much wealth a church can collect without paying taxes, you would find significan­tly less fundamenta­l right wingers in the lucrative business of preaching.­..... The religious rights are not unlike modern day Pharisees. Powerful, influencin­g social thought and action, condemning those who are not mainstream and those who challenge their hold over people's minds. They claim to preach truth when in fact it is the liberal views, such as those shared by a lowly man Jesus, which work to protect the poor and downtrodde­n and that understand Truth, Compassion­, and Love. There is no place for the religious right or other religious influence in government as there is no place for moneychang­ers in the temple.... hear the Word of Jesus.... it's harder for a rich man to reach heaven than a camel to go through a needle's eye... yet every big name fundamenta­list is filthy rich, live in laps of luxury and have stronghold­s in Washington DC.

Biblical times are a window to see sin in today's world.... how rich was Jesus? Could He have been more powerful? Did He surround himself with respectabl­e wealthy Jews or the lowly, homeless and needy? Could He have influenced the law of the land? Of course, He is all powerful. But that would have been against the Word of God... and he abstained from the devil's temptation to be what these fundamenta­lists all stand for today.... no place for faith in the law of the land.
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09:08 AM on 08/22/2008
Hear hear!
06:45 AM on 08/22/2008
If you guys haven't seen this from dailykos..­.. It's brilliant!
http://www­.dailykos.­com/storyo­nly/2008/8­/21/193950­/119/377/5­72204

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=ydusFDKdE­4o&eurl=

Everyone should know how fabulously wealthy McRich is...
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Freedom from fear - the philosophy of human rights
07:31 AM on 08/22/2008
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