Study: Conservatives Grow Wary Of Mixing Religion, Politics

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ERIC GORSKI | August 21, 2008 05:48 PM EST | AP

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Social conservatives are growing more wary of church involvement in politics, joining moderates and liberals in their unease about blurring the lines between pulpit and ballot box, a new study found.

Fifty percent of conservatives think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago, according to a survey released Thursday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

That significant shift in conservative thought has brought the country to a tipping point on the question: a slim majority of Americans _ 52 percent _ now think churches should keep out of politics.

That's an eight percentage point increase over 2004 and the first time a majority of Americans has held that opinion since Pew officials started asking the question 12 years ago.

On this question, the gap between conservatives and liberals is narrowing: just four years ago, liberals were twice as likely as conservatives to say churches should stay out of politics. Now, 50 percent of conservatives and 57 percent of liberals think that. Four years ago, 62 percent of liberals opposed church involvement in politics. Democrats and Republicans are about even on the question, as well.

The survey also found largely unchanged attitudes along religious lines on the presidential choices compared with 2004, despite Democrat Barack Obama's strong play for religious voters and Republican John McCain's hesitancy to talk about his own faith and problems connecting with his party's evangelical base.

McCain leads Obama 68 percent to 24 percent among white evangelical Protestants, comparable to what President Bush was polling four years ago. But the support is tepid: just 28 percent of white evangelicals call themselves "strong" supporters of McCain, well short of Bush's 57 percent in 2004.

Changing attitudes about mixing church and politics could emerge as a factor in the fall campaign _ particularly for McCain. Both campaigns are plotting get-out-the-vote efforts in faith communities, but past Republican successes came when attitudes were more welcoming.

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The attitude shift cut across conservative constituencies: 46 percent of Republican Protestants want churches out of politics, up from 28 percent in 2004. Thirty-six percent of white evangelical Republicans hold that view, up from 20 percent four years ago.

The question asked specifically about places of worship, which by law cannot take stands for or against candidates or political parties but may speak out on issues. So the public might hold different views about political stances taken by religious leaders speaking as individuals or religious advocacy groups.

The findings come after midterm elections in 2006 that saw Democrats seize control of Congress, a landmark court ruling this year legalizing gay marriage in California, and also amid an identity crisis among conservative evangelicals about which issues should take priority and who speaks for the movement.

Among the groups that shifted strongly away from wanting to see churches involved in politics: Americans who are less educated, those who believe gay marriage is a very important issue and those who think the two major parties are unfriendly to religion.

"To my mind, that spells frustration," said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center. "But by the same token, we know these very same people are not interested in less religiosity in the political discourse. They almost universally want a religious person as president.

"It's not that they want to take religion out of politics, it's that their frustrations with the way things seem to be going are leading them to say, 'Well, maybe churches should back off on this.'"

The survey confirmed that white non-Hispanic Catholics, who make up about 18 percent of the electorate, are shaping up to be a big swing vote this fall: 45 percent support McCain, while 44 percent back Obama. Democrat John Kerry, a Catholic, was doing better at this juncture in 2004, winning 50 percent of those Catholics.

Asked which candidate "shares my values," 47 percent of all respondents replied Obama and 39 percent said McCain. White evangelicals favor McCain on that question, the religiously nonaffiliated leaned Obama, while white non-Hispanic Catholics and mainline Protestants were split.

Democrats have made inroads in closing the so-called God gap, at least by one measure: 38 percent of respondents said the party is "friendly toward religion," up from 26 percent two years ago. Even so, considerably more people _ 52 percent _ viewed the Republican Party as religion-friendly.

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Social conservatives are growing more wary of church involvement in politics, joining moderates and liberals in their unease about blurring the lines between pulpit and ballot box, a new study found. ...
Social conservatives are growing more wary of church involvement in politics, joining moderates and liberals in their unease about blurring the lines between pulpit and ballot box, a new study found. ...
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- BEHM777 I'm a Fan of BEHM777 14 fans permalink
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Be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves. In other words, it is okay to think. Using critical thinking skills is what many conservative religious folk do not seem to do. IF they did, they wouldn't be one-issue voters.

It is way past time for that to change. When it does, they may actually start to resemble The One they say they love and serve.

BEHusseinM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 08/22/2008
- Diogenis I'm a Fan of Diogenis 66 fans permalink

If you live in Metro Atlanta you must be wearing a white hood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 08/22/2008
- BEHM777 I'm a Fan of BEHM777 14 fans permalink
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You lost me. I am the last person on this PLANET that would wear a white hood.

Okay, maybe a white BAPE hoody, but that's it.

BEHusseinM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 08/22/2008

I hate to point this out, but to the HuffPost: the world does not begin and end in Manhattan. While there may be some northeastern Catholics who are coming around to the idea of separating a politician and his religion, I assure you that is not the case in most of the country. As an often lonely dem in the southeast, I will assure you that most people, unfortunately, still use a candidate's religious views as the main reason for voting for/against him/her. I live in metro Atlanta, among many well-educated southerners and transplants, and most call Obama "too liberal" and "not Christian enough". Say what you want, but it will take much longer to undo what Rove, Bush, et al have done in their merging of church and state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 AM on 08/22/2008
- haleywins I'm a Fan of haleywins 2 fans permalink

McCain's more Christian? LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 08/22/2008
- conniedogs I'm a Fan of conniedogs 13 fans permalink

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/22/2008
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Hey UGAgirl,
I too live in Atlanta and hear the same arguments - just remember this is a VERY red state, not truly reflective of what (I believe) the rest of the country is thinking and feeling - heck, I still see "W" bumper stickers on trucks here! Please don't take offense to this - Georgia is a beautiful state, but the population here leaves a lot to be desired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 08/22/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Interesting you say that, since i too live in Georgia, so that's 3 of us on HuffPo from Ga alone, hehe. Small world? Anyways, I had never thought of Georgia as a red state until the 2006 election. And in that election, we elected more democrats than Republicans. Matter of fact, one of the very few incumbents to survive was the Governor. Georgia, I feel, is mostly blue and progressive. Yet, for some reason, it's always labelled a red state. Maybe the Georgia GOP does a better job getting out what few people there are that give a damn about voting, I don't know. But with Atlanta, Athens, Augusta and Savannah being hotbeds of progressive areas, not to mention some of the biggest cities the state has to offer, makes you wonder how a neocon could get elected at all in Georgia. Course, there was that redistricting like 5 times within 4 years, or was it 4 times within 3 years we went through? Barnes did it in 2000, then Perdue made it a do-over soon as he took office, then he redid it for the 2004 election, then when that was called into question, redid it again. And I fail to see how bringing in rural people would make the districts red, since most farmers and rural people, remember the devastating policies of the Reagan/Bush era. It's no wonder that John Mellencamp's biggest album, Scarecrow, was all about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 08/22/2008
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being.But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growingthroughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on aparticular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to bea moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D." Just who dothey think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism." [Barry Goldwater]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 08/22/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Does "Conservatives Grow Wary of Mixing Religion, Politics" extend to all faiths, including the non Christian? hmmm..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 08/22/2008
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Very doubtful

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 08/22/2008
- GBartrem I'm a Fan of GBartrem 3 fans permalink
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What most folks fail to realize is that there are a lot of Christian democrats. We don't follow James Dobson. We do however want safe schools for our childern, equal rights for women and to worship God without fear of being dragged off to a concentration camp. We are plain folks like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 08/22/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 157 fans permalink

I agree. However, I do not trust so-called religious leaders to tell me or anyone else what to think about an issue or who to vote for. Religion should be about faith and thinking, not faith without thinking. Religious extremists of any kind are a threat to everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 08/22/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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I was gonna post somethign on my own, but after reading the posts by you two, I figured you both spoke so well, that I didn't need to post anything. So I'll just say that you both made some excellent posts and keep it up. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 08/22/2008

Great! Maybe they'll get back to doing "gods work", like helping the poor, feeding the hungry instead of trying to control women;s reproduction rights and what goes on in peoples bedrooms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 08/22/2008
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 79 fans permalink
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well golly geez o'wiz. it's time to stop letting your religion be exploited by politics. yeah right.

christian americans could NOT handle an America truly run on King James
version of the Bible.

Instead of a constitution, every political situation would be based on the 10 commandments, subject to every ones religious interpretation of the bible.

My surgeon dad believes the bible says Jews should be vanquished and woman and children should obey men.

Sounds like fundamental islamic to me. silly season.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 08/22/2008
- JBoy I'm a Fan of JBoy 5 fans permalink
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"Democrats have made inroads in closing the so-called God gap, at least by one measure: 38 percent of respondents said the party is "friendly toward religion," up from 26 percent two years ago."

...this is difficult to believe, judging by the comments of many posters at Huffpost. The prevailing attitude I've observed here is that Christians believe in a fantasy world; and that if you don't believe you evolved from a lizard, you're a stupid idiot. That's not exactly friendly IMO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/22/2008
- pithy I'm a Fan of pithy 10 fans permalink

As a born again, I disagree with you - Democrats are deeply religious, evidenced by their continuing care about poverty issues, health care for all, and particularly, against war (read death and destruction) as a solution to anything but an outright attack.

Republicans deliberately courted Evangelicals, and simultaneously branded Democrats as all anti-religious.But how can we be "anti-religious" when we abide by what Jesus said - "when you care about the least of you, you care about me!" Democrats have always worked to raise the life experiences of the sick and suffering and down trodden.

Because Democrats are typically less judgemental (another God biggie - "judge not lest ye be judged") and therefore don't persecute alternative lifestyles, Republicans have managed to convince some that we are "Godless LIberals."

For me, anyway, Democrats absolutely represent Christian values - and Republicans, as the party of greed and big business, do not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 08/22/2008
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Your confusing your own orthodoxy with a generalized belief in God. People that think the world is only 6000 years old and humans co-existed with dinosaurs do believe in a fantasy world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 08/22/2008
- tjntn I'm a Fan of tjntn 5 fans permalink
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First of all, I don't think a single person commenting on HuffPo thinks that humans evolved from a lizard. Based on modern phylogenetics, it is clear that mammals and reptiles come from two distinct evolutionary branches, and neither descended from the other. What some of us do believe is that statements like the one you made about evolution show a massive unwillingness to look at an issue in the depth required to understand it. Faith is nice, but when you make statements about science without first learning anything about the topic, it is difficult to take you seriously.

I know many Democrats that are deeply religious people. In fact, it seems to me that the Democratic party follows the teachings of Christ much better than the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/22/2008
- DougNTexas I'm a Fan of DougNTexas 9 fans permalink

Gee my Pastor preached against those rich greedy TV preachers fleecing the last $ out of poor widow women just this Sunday morning. I am white and so is my Pastor. The reason a lot of the top preachers today are Republician is that they are RICH.The flock just mind boggling follows them to the polling booth and pulls the Republician lever. O did I mention that a great many preachers are now RICH?
I wonder what Jesus would say about that rich bunch?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 08/22/2008
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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that rich bunch whose organizations pay no taxes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 08/22/2008

First of all - there is a difference between Evangelicals and Christians. It's as different as Evangelicals and Mormons.

Christians preach tolerance. Evangelicals preach prosperity. Mormons just preach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 08/22/2008
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Hypocrites and Bigots. What would Jesus think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 08/22/2008
- iswideopen I'm a Fan of iswideopen 76 fans permalink
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Well, it makes me have hope that all voters are re-thinking their options as Americans. For reasons that I do not understand, year after year I have watched republicans vote republicans back in office and yet, all of their policies protect the wealthy. They leave out the people like those in Appalacia and other rual areas of America and make them "think" they are special to be a part of the republican party. They have given them the "illusion" that other minorities are to blame for their "poorness", if you will. Haven't you ever wondered why no one wants us to talk, or get along with each other. DIVISION IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. Please, don't let them continue to use you for votes.I could never imagine voting for anyone who does not think I am worth fair taxes, a job, and social security benefits. The republicans have two issues; pro-life and no raised taxes. Just look what that has done to US AMERICANS WHO ARE BARELY GETTING BY ECONOMICALLY. 8 more years of this and I shutter to think where many of us may end up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/22/2008

Yep, I just do not get the average Republican voter. They vote against their true interests and support these monopolistic corporate vampires who want nothing more than to enslave these people and suck the lifeblood out of them. The GOP hiearchy have these people bamboozled with their wedge issues.....god, gays, guns, minority's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/22/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 239 fans permalink
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The way to fight blind ignorance is to shine the light of truth upon the situation.

Does God think the "fear-and-smear" politics is OK? Fear and lying are condemned in the Bible. So why do conservative Christians tolerate it within the GOP?

I am a Christian. I know the Bible does not present homosexuality as anything but a sin. However, when I was a kid, I heard a sermon ranting against gays while a man and his family sat in the pew in front of my family. The man was hung-over. His wife wore sunglasses inside the dark sanctuary, to hide her black eyes. The kids were often slapped around and yelled at indesently. Knowing this man's character, he probably cheated on his taxes, most definitely had been out the night before with his mistress, and probably was open to recreational drugs. But he was heterosexual and paid tithes, so he was in good with the preacher. But had a tax-paying, law-abiding, nonviolent, monogamous homosexual come into that church, he and his partner would have been ridiculed and ran out.

We are all sinners. We should realize that's what should bring us together. I've worshipped with gays. Why? Because it's God's job to talk within their conscience. I'm willing to share what the Bible says with gays, but I bet they could find some sin of mine to do the same in return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 08/22/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 42 fans permalink

The explanation is quite simple. They stupidly think a guy with a beard, sitting on a cloud, is gonna give 'em a harp and robes. All they gotta do is love god, hate gays, love guns, hate minorities....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 08/22/2008

The conservatives are now suddenly less approving of mixing religion and politics because some of those "great thinkers" believe Obama is a Muslim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/22/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

I don't believe it, but I welcome the change if it were true. For one thing they should have noticed that every single thing Kerry warned them would happen did. Job losses, deficit growth, Bushie in bed with the Saudi Royal Family, the list goes on and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/22/2008

Lets Hope they have finally seen the Light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 08/22/2008
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