The Game-Changer Scenario

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First Posted: 08-21-08 04:07 PM   |   Updated: 09-21-08 05:12 AM

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So, over the past week, national polls have tightened, along with the alimentary canals of Obama supporters, who find themselves full of worry with McCain's recent uptick, and lack an explanation for it. Not to cut myself with Occam's Razor, but it seems academic to me: this is what happens when one candidate jets off for a week's vacation in the middle of a campaign, ceding the field and the news cycle to his rival. But, anyway: PANIC TIME has set in, and so have the calls for Obama to do something "game-changing" and amazing, like capturing Osama bin Laden and slaking his hunger by eating his still-warm viscera.

Now, I'm of the mind that no one's done anything in this campaign to either win or lose this election yet, but since the Democratic National Convention is next week, and The Most Important Text Message Of Modern History is imminent(ish), we aren't going to have much time to contemplate these spectral inanities, anyway, so why not indulge? And, displaying some good timing, CNN Senior Political Analyst David Gergen has helpfully supplied us with three scenarios to chew over. Let's take them on out of order.

THREE: The "Building Team Obama" Scenario
In this case, Gergen says that Obama might change the game by making a big public show of revealing his various Cabinet members and key advisors, going so far as getting various luminaries to sign a pledge to support the Obama White House.

The argument for this is that Obama will run on the strength of a defined and celebrated team of Great Men And Women, each one inspiring a round of celebratory hagiography, which in turn plays up Obama's fantastic judgement. The argument against this is that it feeds two distinct negatives. First, it would feed the "presumptuous" meme: "Obama already thinks he has a cabinet!" Second, it would underscore public uneasiness with Obama's level of experience. There are Veep picks that cause the same problem, but there's only going to be one of them, not one hundred. This kind of roll-out would be met with a constant battery of GOP oppo media advisories, and the press would rattle away at the pro-and-con game. Pretty soon, this would be a team of people who define various shortfalls in Obama, instead of enhancements.

And the "public pledge" thing just sounds sort of grade-school, anyway.

TWO: The Al Gore Becomes Vice-President Scenario
In this case, uhm...Al Gore becomes Vice-President? And, according to Gergen, this "galvanizes Democrats" and "sends a clear message to the country that an experienced, fresh team was coming to Washington."

I don't think Al Gore is as potentially costly as rolling out a hundred-person line-up of vague notables would be, but with Al Gore, I just don't see what you gain. Sure, it would galvanize certain Democrats. But I've met these Democrats. They are already pretty galvanized! Some are galvanized about Obama, others are concerned but nonetheless galvanized about winning. Also, I'm not seeing the "fresh" in Al Gore returning to the Vice-Presidency. Gore's pretty much demonstrated that he's a far more effective leader outside of Washington. Signing up for another noxious Karl Rove-style street fight can only serve to damage and diminish his brand, and the quotidian details and duties of the VP job would only take away from the environmental work that has been his passion. By this point, he's also pretty much maxed out his persuadability: I don't see how this scenario provides a context in which a voter snaps to, realizing: "Oh! Now I get Al Gore!"

Besides, he doesn't want the job. I know they all say that, like busted-up robots, but really: AL GORE. DOES NOT WANT. THE JOB.

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ONE: The Hillary Clinton Becomes Vice-President Scenario
Yeah, baby. Now we're just getting CRAZY. You know the problems with this scenario already. Hillary Clinton can't stand Barack Obama. Bill Clinton can't stand Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton will never truly be able to subordinate herself in the White House. Ditto for Bill, who knows where all the danishes are buried. Mark Penn and Lanny Davis would probably find a way to make every child in America cry. Terry McAuliffe is blessedly encased in a Cone of Silence. She's an underminer. She's calculating. Maybe she's the final Cylon. Nobody knows.

BUT WHAT THE EFF. It's August, I'm about to take a day off, and what this idea lacks in seeming good sense it more than makes up for in sheer audacity. So let's consider this, like we were sad drunks staring at the sunset at The End Of Days.

Clinton as Veep is not just a Game Changing Scenario. It's the Shoot The Hostage scenario. It's a recognition that Obama cannot possibly fight a two front battle for the win in November, so instead he's going to try the most awkward team-up in the history of the comic books. They say that HRC brings the GOP voters to the polls. It also brings her supporters, though. They say that she provides fodder for GOP attack ads. That's okay: Obama should recognize that he's not getting an elevated discourse from his opponent, so why not have someone to draw the flak away from Obama. They say, "Seriously, Jason, these two HATE each other." I say, "If Obama wants to be the reconciliation candidate, he may as well shoot the moon."

Gergen says that HRC is the "come home" choice, and that she's cross between Sonny Liston and Doris Kearns Goodwin. Over at FiveThirtyEight, they cite a pair of more practical advantages. A reader notes:

Clinton's presence may be able to gin up Republican fundraising...except, because they are taking public financing, the McCain campaign will have precisely one week to both collect AND spend that money. In short, absent some increase in RNC money and possibly 527 money, for the most part McCain's advantage here would be completely neutralized by the clock. If Hillary had been the VP nominee all summer long the Republicans would be dining out on this--but now they simply would not have enough time to do it.

And 538's Nate Silver says:

I think that if Obama picks Clinton, the Republicans are likely to overplay their hand. One thing that Obama has not really been able to do is to generate some organic level of backlash when he is attacked. This is separate and distinct from the notion of "fighting back"; it is voters stepping in and refereeing the match themselves. Voters recognize that McCain has gone negative but they aren't really punishing him for it -- his favorables haven't moved at all. Why not? I think it has to do with the nature of Obama: he is new, he is confident to the point of being arrogant, and up until recently, he has been leading. To the extent there is any genius in the "celebrity" line of attack, it's that nobody feels much sympathy when celebrities are made fun of...it is a sort of sport to try and pierce their bubble.


With Clinton, on the other hand, voters naturally want to come to her defense -- and overzealous attempts to whip the Republican base into a frenzy will be counteracted with outrage from significant numbers of older and working-class women.

So there you have it! Vice President Clinton is officially the "So Crazy It Just Might Work Feelgood Hit Of The Summer." The news will shock the media and rock the convention. The Game Will be Changed. The Conventional Wisdom will be Overturned. The Revolution Will Be Text Messaged. And Ed Rendell will have a million billion orgasms. Everything you think you know about politics could be about to change!

But seriously, it'll probably be Bayh. Le sigh.

So, over the past week, national polls have tightened, along with the alimentary canals of Obama supporters, who find themselves full of worry with McCain's recent uptick, and lack an explanation for ...
So, over the past week, national polls have tightened, along with the alimentary canals of Obama supporters, who find themselves full of worry with McCain's recent uptick, and lack an explanation for ...
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- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Huffpo should know better than to try to block comments on Mitt as nominee page...wel­l, here goes:

Mitt's Mormonism should not be an issue. That being said, it will be for the Repubs bigots like Huckabee, and they will stay home, possibly, and not vote for Mack...but knowing that even the evangels won't want Obama more than they dislike Mitt's religion, they will fall in line for Mack, simply because that's what Repubs do...Obama­'s fans want all Dems to act like Repub sheeple too, but, unfortunately for them, Dems do NOT fall in line the way Repubs do...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 08/22/2008
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Oh for chrissakes! It's not just his mormonism.­...it's his flipflopping square-headed plasticism and that nobody likes him. It's really just that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 08/22/2008

It's the hair product.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 08/22/2008

I think you are underestimating Romney's appeal to independents and women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 08/22/2008

Conservative RETHUGS may not like Mitt, they may whine alot in the fall, but they will vote for MCSTRAIN over dems.

Thats why DEMS should rally together and get their a$$$ to the polls in November.

LOADS OF RETHUGS WILL NEVER VOTE DEM, SO WHY SHOULD DEMS VOTE RETHUG? Come on people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 08/22/2008
- rcwblessed I'm a Fan of rcwblessed 15 fans permalink
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I personally think McCain will pick Liebermann. He would never chose a VP considerably taller than he is, because of his insecure personality traits. Hmm?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 08/22/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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everybody but the candidate is in a panic. now that's funny. he's gotten this far his way by not panicking and not allowing himself to be pressed into action just to please others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

I think Mack, if he has chosen Romney, will be helping Obama bigtime...­maybe the downturn for Obama may be over now, since Romney will by no means help Mack win...stil­l, we know that VPs rarely help candidates­...the last time it really mattered was 1960.

A friend of mine has a very different take: she thinks that a lot of Dems who don't want to vote for Obama will go for Mack now with Romney, and all the pro-business types will, too...so we will see what happens...­her scenario seems a little off to me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/22/2008
- PennP I'm a Fan of PennP 26 fans permalink
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I'm not panicking. It was the perfect time to take a vacation. He's not even the true nominee yet, and the true campaign won't begin until Friday. This has just been a warmup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 08/22/2008
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Do you think Obama's supporters would abandon him if he chose HRC???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

It would be very foolish if they did...just as it would for Repubs to abandon Mack if he picks Romney as is being reported by Time. Romney may offend the evangels, but he will get the pro-biz Repubs, and even some Dems, according to some people...s­o let the party begin! Another intriguing chapter in this election season commences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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We might not abandon Obama but we would be gagging and have to hold our nose when voting!!!
We would be furious and very disappointed !!!

Obama/Sebelius '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 08/22/2008

Because she's soooo exciting, and complements Obama's perceived (by the uncommitteds) weakness on foreign policy and military affairs.

Sheesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 08/22/2008

Sebelius has a great record and bio but I don't know if she'd go over better than Hil with the PUMAs and general public. I mean I'm no big Hil fan after her primary gaffes and schizoid behavior. Biden is my first choice but Hil would certainly ignite alot of fires and cause alot of controversy, good and bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 08/22/2008
- PennP I'm a Fan of PennP 26 fans permalink
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I couldn't vote for him if he picked her. He wouldn't be the candidate I thought he was, and it would show that the FISA vote was no anomaly; his judgement would be clearly compromised. Besides, half of his time would be spent managing the backstabbing of HRC's cabal on the one hand, and trying to monitor the lobbying and, ah, fundraising activities of Big Boy on the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 08/22/2008
- Egalitare I'm a Fan of Egalitare 6 fans permalink
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If it really is a choice between HRC and Bayh, I'm going with HRC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 08/22/2008
- Mitchell4A I'm a Fan of Mitchell4A 8 fans permalink

Don't need any big game changing play, although having Al aboard would be fun for various reasons.

Obama has got to stick to the basics, and this means less focus on the war and foreign affairs.

“It’s the Economy, Stupid: TAKE TWO”
http://msa4.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Precisely.­..although if for some reason the economy should begin to get better, and people sense it beyond the Wall Streeters and the TV biz show blowhards like Suzy Orman, then Obama is in big trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 08/22/2008
- Mikecoatl I'm a Fan of Mikecoatl 34 fans permalink
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Do you or anyone else honestly think the economy is GOING to get better in the next two months?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 08/22/2008
- Buddhabman I'm a Fan of Buddhabman 7 fans permalink

Obama/Clark 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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Sebelius, Clark, Biden... any of those three would be fine with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

I rarely agree with Linkins, but he is right about Obama's vacation being a problem for him...he DID cede the news cycle for Mack, and now is flailing around with defensive posturing that looks whiny and desperate.­..McCain's strategist have painted Obama into a corner, and Obama is not handling it very well...the house melodrama is a bad one for Obama and his minions to pursue, simply because Obama got his house through money from a convicted felon...wh­at's worse, not knowing how many houses your WIFE owns (HELLO!) or some crook helping you buy your house? I think it's a no contest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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Senator Obama needed a vacation. He has been on the campaign trail much more than McCain in the last 19 months. He had to have a break to refresh. Everything will change during and after the convention. Obama hasn't even start to come out swinging with the punches yet. McCain ought to be pretty scared about what is going to be coming at him in September and October ;) Btw... Obama did not get his house with Rezko's money .. Obama purchased a few feet of land in the adjacent lot from him .. that is all. Obama used his own money to purchase his house!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

My point is it didn't help him...even Linkins points this out...Obam­a should know that you CANNOT let your guard down with Repubs, no matter who is running...­yes, Mack is an awful candidate, but he took hold of the news cycle from Obama, and that should have not have happened..­.there is NO room for error this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 08/22/2008

It's no contest until Obama resonds, as he should, by noting that McCain's main money man early in his career was a convicted felon and that McCain did unethical things on his behals. I am talking of course about Charles Keating, whom the Obama folks should be reminding everybody about until he is once again the household name he was in the eighties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 08/22/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

forget Keating, what about Bronfman? Look at who C McCain is and where her money came from. M O B.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 08/22/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 495 fans permalink
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I think the pundits are talking to each other too much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 08/22/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I agree. Hill is out. That's a silly fantasy. Ditto for Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 08/22/2008
- Shelly1970 I'm a Fan of Shelly1970 10 fans permalink

You're slowly coming to terms, PumAnn. Good for you :)

*pat pat*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 08/22/2008

I have to wonder how much longer mentally defective media types will be trying to shove clinton down our throats. It tasted bad 2 years ago and has only gotten worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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I hope for not much longer. At least now Dan Abrams is off the air - he has a huge crush on HRC and gushes over her to no end ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 08/22/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

It tasted bad 16 years ago too. I towed the line in 1992 because I was less informed than I am now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

It did?
You were better off with Bush I or Bush II?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 08/22/2008
- yorkie I'm a Fan of yorkie 5 fans permalink

YES ANY INFIGHTING SHOULD BE VERY DISCRETE AND WAIT UNTIL JANUARY! LET ANY INFIGHTING GO ON BY THE GOP! I THINK THE TIME HELRPIN STORY ON ROMNEY MAY EITHER BE AN ACTUAL SCOOP OR ANOTHER DISTRACTION TO GET SOME PUB OVER THE MAC HOUSES SCANDAL AND O'S VEEP PICK NEWS! THE PRESS SEEMS TO BE CARRYING MAC'S WATER FOR NOW...... THIS IS A TIME FOR THE BIGGEST CELEBRATION EVER WITH HOPES NOT FEAR TO REVIVE AMERICA AND ADVANCE THE CAUSES FOR REAL CHANGE! LET'S BEGIN ANEW WITH THE BIGGEST BLAZE FOR CHANGE AND GET OUT THE VOTE EFFORT EVER TO SQUASH THE COMING STORM OF TV ADS ETC THAT ONLY SERVE TO DISTORT,DISTRACT US FROM THE REAL ISSUES WE FACE AFT THE DEBACLE OF WAR,DEBT,D­ISTORTION,­KATRINA. ETC THAT IS BUSH/MAC RULE SINCE THE MIS-VOTE IN 2000!!!!!!! MAC IS PRO WAR,ANTI WOMEN,ANTI WORKERS WITH LOW WAGES,ANTI UNION,ANTI ENVIRONMENT ON THE REAL NEEDS, ANTI REAL HELP IN ALTERNATIVE FUELS AND NEW ,HELPFUL CLEANER ENERGY POLICIES ETC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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Please take your cap locks off... trying to read your comment after drinking a glass of wine is impossible!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 08/22/2008

LOL a little sippy aren't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 08/22/2008
- rcwblessed I'm a Fan of rcwblessed 15 fans permalink
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ROFL!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 08/22/2008

They do look good together, and Barack will score a lot of points with woman if he is defending her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/22/2008
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I dislike the Clintons intensely because of the kind of primary they ran. However, like Barack Obama, I am a pragmatist and can see the appeal of an Obama/Clinton ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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I will never be able to get the image of Hillary hollering "Shame on you Barack Obama!" on TV out of my head!!!

Obama/Sebelius '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/22/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Ditto for me, except O did it to a very wonderful Dem from Hawaii.

*blech*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Hillary had it EXACTLY right...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 08/22/2008
- jick I'm a Fan of jick 4 fans permalink

That comment will give McCain a BIG opening to attack. Look forward to endless web/ TV ads showing the "shame on you" clip next to a clip of their love fest at the convention. Don't ask for it. I can just hear "Joan" doing the voiceover: "Does this sound like a unified ticket?"

Obama can win it without Hillary, as long as he doesn't pick Kaine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

The subset of Obama fans who have this negative streak are only a handful in the electoral scheme...a­ny of you will not matter in the long run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 08/22/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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keep telling yourself that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 08/22/2008
- Kache I'm a Fan of Kache 31 fans permalink
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Of course there is another reason to pick Hill.... Vice Presidents disappear in to the wood work. She would be too old in 2016 and would probably not be the second term choice. Picking her would effectively end her career.

Watch what ya beg for PUMAs, you just might get it ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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The PUMAs have already said that they will still not vote for Obama if Hillary is the VP.
The founder of PUMA (Murphy) has said "Hillary as president or nothing".
The goal of PUMA is to destroy the Democratic Party ... do some research on them on the net and you will see that is what their goal is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 08/22/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

I admit. All the latest round of articles about how he should choose her reactivated my own thinking.

I was pretty sure if she was on the ticket, I'd have to work for it.

However, I felt a bit of resistence come up today just thinking about it.

It galls me.

I don't want her to take that slot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/22/2008
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PUMA matters less than the crap I just flushed down my toilet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 08/22/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

No surprise then that PUMAS support the Clintons, as Bill destroyed the heart of the Democratic Party during his two terms in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 08/22/2008
- laire I'm a Fan of laire 4 fans permalink

Puma has raised all of 50 thousand dollars but there getting all this attention and have created a perception in the public through corporate media that there are 18million voters out there for her. I believe if you did the CA primary again Hillary would lose because so many people have lost respect for her and Bill. I once had a great deal of respect for Hillary but know more. I'm not sure when her senate seat is up but I'm sure she will be challenged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

No one is out to destroy the party...le­t's stop this melodramatic silliness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Repeat: Hillary hating Obamabots are a tiny subset in the party...yo­ur wishes will not be entertained or considered­...just live with your unimportance in the grand scheme of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 08/22/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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other way around

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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And you NTOo8, sir, are only a tiny microscopic spec....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/22/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Why would she be too old in 2016?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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Obama/Sebelius '08

I think Obama is going to pick Gov. Kathleen Sebelius because of several reasons...

1) She is a team player
2) She has 22 years of elected office under her belt
3) No baggage and no drama
4) She has roots in Ohio
5) She is low keyed and has integrity
6) She is a governor so it wouldn't pull anyone out of the senate
7) She will make a good role model
8) Experience in the insurance field (she was an insurance commissioner)
9) Likely-hood of her ever having an affair is very low
10) She is already working for him as convention co-chair
etc., etc., etc.

Obama/Sebelius '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/22/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

She's boring.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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VPs are not supposed to be exciting. They are not supposed to dominate the ticket. They are supposed to be in the shadows supporting the President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 08/22/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Her weaknesses are the same as Obama's. He really needs foreign policy to tamp down the national security uneasiness of the voters. She will not serve that purpose at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Excellent point...an­d she comes from a state that will not be going for Obama in a million years...he does not need someone who is exactly the same as he is in politics..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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Considering that Senator Obama has a degree in Foreign Relations and experience in Foreign Policy etc... and good judgment .. I think that he needs someone that is more experienced in economics.­.. not foreign policy!
Obama will have his folks in his cabinet ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 08/22/2008

Is there any chance that Hillary would accept a VP spot from McCain if he asked? Especially if she wasn't offered the spot from Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/22/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 102 fans permalink
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That wouldn't work because Hillary is a registered Democrat and some states have rules regarding who can be on a ticket with a Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 08/22/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Of course not. Hill IS the Democratic Party for traditional Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/22/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Fortunately, those "traditional Dems" are aging and the Party is changing. I am in the demographic of "traditional Dems", and though I have voted Democratic all my life because I was afraid, this war has changed me and I will do so no longer. I do not support mass slaughter or those who enabled it. I can live with someone second on the ticket who enabled the war in Iraq, in the hopes that he or she will never be President. Fortunately, in the case of Biden or Clinton, they will be too old to run in 2012, since the demographic will have moved past them and the new voters will be unaware of their "experienc­e." The world changes and so should we. Maybe we could even move past seeing violence as a "solution" because it really never is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 08/22/2008
- cindyw I'm a Fan of cindyw 44 fans permalink
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I'm not sure what you consider a "traditional Dem", but I've been a Democrat all my life. I respect and admire Senator Clinton, but no one person IS the Democratic Party. No real Democrat would put their personal angst about Senator Clinton's loss above the good of the country, and any Democrat who votes for McCain is doing exactly that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

A ridiculous proposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 08/22/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

No, none. She is a Democrat to her core. At the very least, buying into McCain's health care plan would drain the life out of her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 08/22/2008

Are you really that stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 08/22/2008
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