US Measles Cases Highest In A Decade Due To Vaccination Fears

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MIKE STOBBE | August 21, 2008 08:52 PM EST | AP

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ATLANTA — Measles cases in the U.S. are at the highest level in more than a decade, with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination, health officials reported Thursday.

Worried doctors are troubled by the trend fueled by unfounded fears that vaccines may cause autism. The number of cases is still small, just 131, but that's only for the first seven months of the year. There were only 42 cases for all of last year.

"We're seeing a lot more spread. That is concerning to us," said Dr. Jane Seward, of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pediatricians are frustrated, saying they are having to spend more time convincing parents the shot is safe.

"This year, we certainly have had parents asking more questions," said Dr. Ari Brown, an Austin, Texas, physician who is a spokeswoman for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The CDC's review found that a number of cases involved home-schooled children not required to get the vaccines. Others can avoid vaccination by seeking exemptions, such as for religious reasons.

Measles, best known for a red skin rash, is a potentially deadly, highly infectious virus that spreads through contact with a sneezing, coughing, infected person.

It is no longer endemic to the United States, but every year cases enter the country through foreign visitors or Americans returning from abroad. Measles epidemics have exploded in Israel, Switzerland and some other countries. But high U.S. childhood vaccination rates have prevented major outbreaks here.

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In a typical year, only one outbreak occurs in the United States, infecting perhaps 10 to 20 people. So far this year through July 30 the country has seen seven outbreaks, including one in Illinois with 30 cases, said Seward, of the CDC's Division of Viral Diseases.

None of the 131 patients died, but 15 were hospitalized.

Childhood measles vaccination rates have stayed above 92 percent, according to 2006 data. However, the recent outbreaks suggest potential pockets of unvaccinated children are forming. Health officials worry that vaccination rates have begun to fall _ something that won't show up in the data for a couple of years.

The vaccine is considered highly effective but not perfect; 11 of this year's cases had at least one dose of the vaccine.

Of this year's total, 122 were unvaccinated or had unknown vaccination status. Some were unvaccinated because the children were under age 1 _ too young to get their first measles shot.

In 63 of those cases _ almost all of them 19 or under _ the patient or their parents refused the shots for philosophical or religious reasons, the CDC reported.

In Washington state, an outbreak was traced to a church conference, including 16 school-aged children who were not vaccinated. Eleven of those kids were home schooled and not subject to vaccination rules in public schools. It's unclear why the parents rejected the vaccine.

The Illinois outbreak _ triggered by a teenager who had traveled to Italy _ included 25 home-schooled children, according to the CDC report.

The nation once routinely saw hundreds of thousands of measles cases each year, and hundreds of deaths. But immunization campaigns were credited with dramatically reducing the numbers. The last time health officials saw this many cases was 1997, when 138 were reported.

The Academy of Pediatrics has made educating parents about the safety of vaccines one of its top priorities this year. That's partly because busy doctors have grown frustrated by the amount of time they're spending answering parents' questions about things they read on the Internet or heard from TV talk shows.

In June, the CDC interviewed 33 physicians in Austin, suburban Seattle and Hollywood, Fla., about childhood vaccinations. Several complained about patient backlogs caused by parents stirred up by information of dubious scientific merit, according to the CDC report.

Questions commonly center on autism and the fear that it can be caused by the measles shots or by a mercury-based preservative that used to be in most vaccines. Health officials say there is no good scientific proof either is a cause. Also, since 2001, the preservative has been removed from shots recommended for young children, and it was never in the measles-mumps-rubella combination vaccine. It can still be found in some flu shots.

Brown said she wrote a 16-page, single-spaced document for parents that explains childhood vaccinations and why doctors do not believe they cause autism. She began handing it out this spring, and thinks it's been a help to parents and a time-saver for her.

"People want that level of information," she said.

At least one outbreak this year of another preventable disease was blamed on lack of immunizations. At least 17 children were sick with whooping cough at a private school in the San Francisco Bay area, and 13 were not vaccinated against the disease, which can be fatal to children.

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Associated Press writer Marcus Wohlsen in San Francisco contributed to this story.

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- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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[my bloated ego convinced me that this was important enough to reiterate in a fresh post rather than have it buried in a huge thread]

Here is a list showing Thimerosal use (actually.­.the complete lack thereof) in childhood vaccines: http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

Further down it is expanded to all vaccines.

OH, I forget, it's from the government, so it's all lies...my bad

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 08/22/2008

And your bloated ego convinced me to respond again.

Well, if you learned to read and scrolled a little bit further down the page, you would notice that Tripedia (DTaP) contained 0.3 mics/0.5 ml of Thimerosal. A little bit further down the page, you'll notice that TwinRix (HepA/HepB) contains about 1 mic/5 ml dose of thimerosal. Last I checked, yes, I do believe I am correct, those we both pediatric vaccines..­..wow, the wonders of reading. Oh, and before I confuse you too much, that was the UPDATED chart from March of this year.

Thanks for playing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/22/2008

There you go with the obfuscation again. Poomlet links to a site with two lists. The first list is for pediatric vaccines. The second list is for all vaccines (like those for adults). The Twinrix vaccine is not on the pediatric list. Additionally, the Tripedia does not contain 0.3 mcg/0.5 ml of thimerosal­...it contains less than that due to THEORETICAL traces left from the manufacturing process.

The wonders of reading, indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 08/22/2008
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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TwinRix is NOT a pediatric vaccine...­never was."INDIC­ATIONS AND USAGE
TWINRIX is indicated for active immunization of persons 18 years of age or older against disease caused by hepatitis A virus and infection by all known subtypes of hepatitis B virus." http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_twinrix.pdf

There are several alternatives toTripedia, but it has 95% less thimerosal than it did 5 years ago. The amount of exposure created by that TRACE quantity is utterly unmeasurable, and undoubtably less than the child would get from breastmilk a woman that ate any fish within 3-6 months (and/or breathing).

Try pinning autism on that amount of Thimerosal in one vaccine that probably 2/3 or american kids don't take

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/22/2008
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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Anti-vaxers are really in a pickle these days.

They have pinned most of their efforts (and attempts for legal remedies) on mercury exposure to Thimerasol. But it's been gone for years....N­OW who can they blame?

So their spouting stuff like "multiple [unknown] causes..bu­t vaccines are still somehow involved, so ".

Give it up..there are two choices here;

1) Thimerasol & other sources of mercury exposure is directly & soley responsible for increasing autism diagnoses, which means there is no reason not to immunize every kid on the planet.

2) Mercury plays little or zero role in austim, in which case you can't sue anybody. It's a mystery, genetics have a huge role, but after looking at the data, mercury exposure can't be blamed.

You can't have it both ways...but that clearly hasn't stopped you from trying to do just that. You don't dare take the blame off Thimerasol, because nobody will ever get $$. But you don't have the balls to admit that now that it's gone, vaccines pose no risk.

This is what's driving us pro-vaxers crazy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/22/2008

Well, the problems with your erroneous statements stems from the fact that Thimerosal is still in the vaccines. Secondly, if you look at what's to blame, one common factor shows up; the vaccines. Thirdly, if you were to actually look up something once in a while, you'd learn that there are new studies and information on Mitochondrial Disorder. This study shows that it is far more common than realized, and vaccines can cause an adverse reaction in children with this disorder.

Glad I could help clear that up for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 08/22/2008
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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Thimerosal is 100% gone from scheduled childhood vaccines. It can be found in easily-avoidable flu vaccines that infants can be given, and it can be found in tetnus & diptheria vaccines given to older kids & adults.

Of course there are serious complications in a VERY small percentage of kids...and every other drug in the history of medicine. That's unfortunat­e...and terrible for those who are affected..­.but that's not what you're talking about.

You are trying to directly blame vaccines for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of autism cases by spinning anecdotal horror stories with precious little hard evidence. When presented with real science that refutes your agenda, you put on your tinfoil hats and say that every researcher at ever university­...along with every pediatrician and health organizations around the globe...ar­e crooked puppets being controlled by "big pharma".

Shouldn't you be making like OJ and be looking for the real 'killer' instead of hanging on to something that no longer exists?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 08/22/2008

For children under 7, the thimerosal is out of the vaccines. The only exception is the influenza vaccines, for which thimerosal free formulations are available.

In countries where thimerosal use was decreased in the late 1980s and eliminated in the 1990s, there has still been an increase in autism diagnoses. If the TCV hypothesis was correct, you would expect completely the opposite.

Children with mitochondrial and metabolic tend to go downhill in their first few months of life, some of them regressing into autism regardless of whether or not they receive a vaccine. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 08/22/2008

Also correlated with the explosion of autism diagnoses: expansion of the internet! Quick, get off your computer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 08/22/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

You are too simpleminded for this conversation. Vaccines have different additives and ingredients. There is absolutely no precedent for making a determination that there can not be more than one possible contributor to autism. More likely, there are many. I find it disconcerting that you call yourself a pro-vaxer, objectivity on your part? None.

I would NEVER call myself anti-vax though my children are not immunized. I am ready and willing to be convinced that they are safe for my children. I review all relevant information and discuss with our pediatrician regularly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 08/22/2008

I am calling out a breed of partially-educated (some college, maybe even a BA from a mid-tier school?) too-much-t­ime-on-you­r-hands poseurs who are disproportionately represented on these blogs spewing paranoia and bitterness. You are critical of everything yet offer nothing. You make ridiculous accusations and try to bully others into believing them with name calling (sheeple is brilliant, really) and spurious url references and all caps. It is embarrassing to the non-hysterical majority of democrats/liberals to have you posting on huffpost. Vilifying pediatricians? Really? All those years of schooling just so they can poison your children? You posit they do so for money (all $100,000 per year) and “golf trips.” Does that make sense? How about the fact that they vaccinate their own children? I guess they’re all secretly nefarious/filicidal or maybe just dumber than you with your internet M.D.? This anti-vaccination garbage has got to stop. It was tolerable when it was limited to desperate parents of autistic children who somewhat understandably want to assign blame, but now that conspiracy theorists have adopted the cause it is starting to threaten people’s lives and quality of life (see also mumps 2006). Mass immunization is one of the greatest public health accomplishments of the last quarter century; now that you have the luxury of exemption from sterility and deafness from mumps, from birthing rubella-infected deformed infants, from polio paralysis, and from tetanic death, try to be grateful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 08/22/2008

"You make ridiculous accusations and try to bully others into believing them with name calling"

Oh, you mean how like your crowd says that parents who don't vaccinate should be imprisoned? Or how, in your crowd, you think that parents of unvaccinated kids should have their kids taken away? I'm not a desperate parent of an autistic child; I am a FURIOUS parent of an autistic child. Why am I furious? Because I have been lied to by people like you. I was told that everything was ok, that I should do the American duty and vaccinate my child for the good of everyone. Well, I did. You know what happened? 6 hours after his DTaP and MMR, he developed a 105 degree fever, convulsions, uncontrollable high-pitched screaming. We called his pediatrician, who said that it was perfectly normal. Perfectly normal???? We ended up bringing my son to the ER, where they did a CAT scan. You know what they found? They found that his brain was swollen. The official medical documentation states that his encepalopathy (that's a big word for a swollen brain, btw) was caused by an adverse reaction to his vaccines.

To be continued, because you deserve my rant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/22/2008
- amyeom I'm a Fan of amyeom 3 fans permalink
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For any parents wishing to invoke their right to CHOICE, please read this affidavit used by a family here in my state of NJ:

http://burwellfamily.us/njexemptform.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 08/22/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 107 fans permalink
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Aloha Craig- In 1984 I saw my beautiful two week old boy go through the exact same thing. Cri du chat is something that no parent should have to see their baby endure. After that, his pediatrician recommended that that he not get the Pertussis part of the vaccination. He received all of his numerous vaccinations, as I was a first-time mom, and felt helpless, plus I was ignorant of the real dangers that vaccines posed. My son wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome until after he had graduated from High School. Everyone I know with an autistic child saw their infants have severe reactions to a vaccination. Could other factors be in play? Of course. We are exposed to thousands of chemicals every day. It could be some bad combination that sets the stage. More research is need, but since the drug companies and FDA are colluding, it will be a long time before their machinations come to light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 08/24/2008

Continued:

6 months later, at the age of 2, my son was diagnosed with ASD, or Iatrigenic Autism. We have pHARMa-scum (tm) peddling their drugs to unsuspecting people, and people are dying. We have the High Priest of the Church of the Immaculate Vaccination Pauly prOffit making millions off of his killer Rotateq virus. We have Gardasil killing and paralyzing little girls. So, I'm sure you can see where this much deserved venom comes from toward you and the rest of the medical community. Perhaps you should consider these things before you try to "call us out."

Here's a clue, not-so-saintc, we aren't going away. We are furious, and we are gaining numbers. And as long as there are people like you who try to shut us up, we will only get louder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 08/22/2008
- amyeom I'm a Fan of amyeom 3 fans permalink
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Remove the toxins and provide parents a legal recourse for when the vaccinations cause neurological damage to children and it takes the issue off the table entirely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 08/22/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Jeez, do you live on a soapbox? Like many issues, this one is very complex. You seem intelligent enough to be able to recognize that. I don't know anyone who thinks doctors are evil, they are just conditioned to see things through a very narrow scope. It is not even that the pharmaceutical companies have nefarious intentions, it is that they are profit driven, period. They are not focused on much more than profit (as exhibited by the mass lobbying and unleashing of drugs prior to proper vetting). The majority of parents who choose not to vaccinate put tremendous thought and research into their decision. Shame on you for being so simplistic as to think that you have the final word on this. Any aggressive attacks such as yours are useless and disrespectful. Why don't you try communicating like a civilized human being?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 08/22/2008

She's here saying that we're calling people names? And there's people here on the board calling parents who have legitimate fears about vaccination nutjobs, kooks and whack-jobs? One thing that ticks me off more than anything is hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 08/22/2008

Oh, and for the record, I am currently working on my Doctorate in Software Engineering, so I am neither "partially­-educated" nor a "too-much-­time-on-yo­ur-hands poseur." I sometimes comment on this site when I'm at work when I'm between projects or taking a break. I have 3 children, one of whom is completely unable to care for himself, so I certainly don't have too much time on my hands. Have I given a spurious URL reference? No.

And your edumacation is? What exactly is it you do for a living? Who do you work for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 08/22/2008

"unfounded fears"

Children who have a history of or who have siblings with a history of allergies, seizures, or have had a previous reaction are excluded from studies. So how can they claim it's safe for all children. My youngster falls in all 3 categories. Still I have given him some but not all vaccines. If I get a medical exclusion, I have to go back and get it every year, so I use a philosophical reason.

Years ago when I researched this I found the CDC gave conflicting data. My daughter had severe reactions three times and it wasn't reported. My fully vaccinated son got the mumps and the doctor said he would have reported it as mumps only if he HAD NOT been vaccinated. WHAT!!!

I'm not suggesting that vaccinces are not good, but that they are not regulated correctly and that doctors do not report possible reactions or vaccine failures. They also tend to over diagnose unvaccinated children w/ "preventable" diseases. Reseachers also exclude data that doesnt benefit them (ie: in some cases HIB increases incidence of the disease). I find this all very disturbing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 08/22/2008
- jvarga I'm a Fan of jvarga 4 fans permalink

Can you post links to the data about HIB increasing disease incidence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 08/22/2008

No, I researched this nearly a decade ago; my daughter is a sophomore in college. You could try http://nvic.org/ for information. The site is pro-information as opposed to anti-vaccine.

According to what I have read, for the first 2 weeks the HIB vaccine makes the patient more vulnerable to the disease.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 08/22/2008
- amyeom I'm a Fan of amyeom 3 fans permalink
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Imagine my surprise when the last I called my pediatrician the "hold music" was actually advertisements for vaccines! Three different ones to be exact. Needless to say, I changed the primary care physician immediately.

Since when has health care been reduced to, "Do you want fries with that?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 08/22/2008

Look, all of the poking fun and snickering aside, this whole measles "epidemic" is getting blown way way WAY out of proportion by the media and the vaccine activists. Out of 300 million Americans, you have less than 200 cases and 0 deaths. Wow. I'd better call the guy with the cow bell from Monty Python and have him roll down the street with his body cart yelling, "Bring out your dead!"

Of course, this could be a scare tactic from the Pharmaceutical company so that we can all be good little sheeple and go get our medicine.

So many people blame the Pro-safe vaccine crowd for this epidemic. Well, here's a news flash; many of these people you blame HAVE vaccinated their children. Your health and safety and "herd immunity" were bought at the expense of my son and many children like my son.

So, it's useless debating with some of you because you've developed said herd mentality and refuse to see past the butt of the herd member in front of you. Think about the sacrifice our children have made, and then consider if you want these organizations that have no accountability and no checks and balances (and who have knowingly and willingly lied to the public about their product and were caught red handed, only to do it again) to control the "safe" products that you put in your children's bodies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/22/2008
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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Measles, chicken pox and (especially) whooping cough can KILL my child, despite his vaccinations (titers don't always hold, 'specially in immunosuppressed people).

The fatality rate for pertussis is under 1% for regular kids (though complications can linger for life). If you're immunosuppressed, it's 35%. A friend of my boy's sister got chicken pox last year...not the friend...a­nd we had to rush him to a hospital 50 miles away for a "V-ZIG" shot, because the fatality rate for that is about 15% for him vs. some miniscule fraction for regular kids

THIS YEAR, 17 kids got whooping cough at a private school in San Francisco.­..13 were not immunized. Over 50% of the measles cases are due to the 7% of kids who aren't immunized. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26333787/

THE MMR VACCINE THAT STOPS THIS NEVER HAD THIMERASOL IN IT..NEVER!­!

Screw thinking of others....­screw those nut allergy kid, jimmy and emma need their Jif!! Screw the millions of immunosuppressed people who can die....I need to protect my kid from vaccines that don't even have the stuff everyone's freaking out about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/22/2008

Yes, your answer says it all. So, it doesn't concern you that the Pharmaceutical companies have repeatedly lied to you about their products. That's fine, please follow the rest of the sheeple.

And have I said that MMR contains Thimerosal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 08/22/2008
- amyeom I'm a Fan of amyeom 3 fans permalink
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Oh, I know. Run for your lives!!! Puhh-thetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 08/22/2008
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Getting measels when your a kid is pretty safe as long as you have parents that can provide a safe environment for the child. When I was growing up in the fifties it was common for parents to bring thier kids over to neighbors who already had measels to infect the own kids so they can get it over with.
Hanna Kreuger (a homeopathic and herb doctor from Colorado) told me that measels were a clearing disease that kids get to clear away the residue of afterbirth. And once they get measels they are innoculated from alot of other health problems that could arise latter in life.
So I think that the vaccine is just a way for drug companies to make money at our expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 08/22/2008
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Wow.

Who needs medicine, when you can just rattle bones and chant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 08/22/2008
- jvarga I'm a Fan of jvarga 4 fans permalink

Uhhhhh. Pretty much speechless after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 08/22/2008
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yeah.

Don't worry though. With the help of Darwin, New Age medicine should only last a generation or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 08/22/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

Dont take these vaccines.

They are poison.
Americans are being poisoned by these vaccines.
They degrade your immune system, affect mental development and general health.
There are hundreds of objective scientific studies that are not connected to a drug company that
has bought your government in order to gain the right to poison you.

These vaccines are poison and are a serious threat to our species.
I applaud any and everyone who refuses to take these poisons.
GO OUT AND FIND INDEPENDENT (NOT GOVERNMENT) STUDIES ON THIS.

Stop poisoning your children and your self. Dont take any vaccines.
Take your chances with the greatest healing system the world has ever known
The human immune system.
We made it this far without the vaccines, we'll continue to make it.

Peace and blessing to you all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 08/22/2008
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 21 fans permalink
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Yeah...tha­t whole Polio vaccine thing fizzled out, didn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/22/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

You mean the one with the live strain that was actually giving people polio? Yes it did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 08/22/2008
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Smallpox too....gee­z, you can't swing a dead kid around without whacking someone with smallpox

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/22/2008

Who let you out of the asylum? What are you going to do when you step on a rusty nail; drink some tea and hope for the best? No, my guess is you'll run to the nearest emergency room and get that tetanus shot. People like you make me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 08/22/2008
- pompous I'm a Fan of pompous 6 fans permalink

There is no absolute certainty that vaccines are not the cause of autism. That being said there is more data that suggests that autism may be related to genetic predisposition. It is difficult to say why there has been an increase in autism. This increase cannot be denied but other factors need to be considered such as pesticides­.There is a risk of having only some of the population vaccinated because a virus will adapt and become stronger making it difficult to prevent and treat. It is the very reason doctors have limited the use of antibiotics. This is a public health issue and as such vaccinations should be required. Many of rus received vaccines as children and are healthy adults. My heart goes out to those families dealing with autism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 08/22/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

You are suggesting that parents should be forced by the government to inject additives and perhaps unknown substances into their infants' bloodstreams. Do you really believe that? Think about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 08/22/2008

No, the population is already there. There are 10's of thousands if not 100's of thousands of children that have not been vaccinated already. A ready made sample. Why not take the autism rate of these children and compare it to the rate of vaccinated children? I believe in choice, it is every parent's responsibility to choose what is best for their own children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/22/2008

I work in healthcare and have assisted doctors in basic patient selection for research studies. That said, I have always wondered why, since 10's of thousands if not 100's of thousands of children have not been vaccinated, why has there been no research published comparing the autism rate of unvaccinated children with those of vaccinated children? I know this is not perfect, since it would not be blind, but since doctors would not randomly not vaccinate, this study would give valuable insight into this autism question. It scares me sometimes, late at night, the answer to that question. If anyone has seen a valid study using these populations, please provide a link. Always question your own preconceptions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/22/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

No one has the money to pay for it but it is a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 08/22/2008
- jvarga I'm a Fan of jvarga 4 fans permalink

There are studies from Europe using cohorts that received thimersol-­containing and thermersol-free vaccines. I used to try and talk about them on the various "autism-mom" bloggers posts on this website. My posts that included links to the papers had very short lifespans so I don't do it anymore. Anyhow, those studies showed no statistically relevant changes in autism rates between the two cohorts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/22/2008
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The western Indian is behind it

The lotto and slot dollars are contaminated with measles

History repeats itself if you do not punch the criminals

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 08/22/2008
- doomsday I'm a Fan of doomsday 6 fans permalink

I am glad that this story has made it into the light. Regardless of whether the vaccines are to blame or not, SOMETHING is happening that is causing the spike in autism. At this point there have been no proclamations of a "war on autism" which is what is truly needed.

We broke up the shots, and just gave our 5 year old daughter the last measles shot last week. It is staggering to know as many parents as we do that have children stricken by autism.

I hope that anyone posting slander about the people making the difficult choice about their kids and vacs, can understand the horror that so many parents live every day about this issue. When you hear of so many kids getting the MMR then digressing into autism, it makes you think twice, whether it's the culprit or not.

If our kids were as important as oil, our goverment would have a solution to this epidemic today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/22/2008

Thank you, doomsday. Very well spoken, indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 08/22/2008
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When it comes to vax dangers this is pretty much all you need to know:

THIMEROSAL COMBINES WITH GENETIC RISK FACTORS TO INHIBIT METHYLATION AND CAUSE NEURODEVELOPMENTAL

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Richard+Deth,+Ph.D.++autism&hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Z7X&um=1&ie=UTF-8&oi=scholart

Richard Deth, Ph.D.
Professor of Pharmacology
Northeastern University

Phone: 617-373-4064
FAX: 617-373-8886
Email: neu.eduneu.edu

argue with this Professor of Pharmacolo­gy...or just suck on it for a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 08/22/2008

That isn't a scientific paper referenced. It's a hypothesis presented to a congressional committee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 08/22/2008
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Jay Zee:

Thimerasol is no longer used in any childhood vaccine. It can be found in a few adult vaccines, mostly for the flu.

Knowledge, not myth and rumour, is power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 08/22/2008

Thimerosal is not even in the vaccines that people are refusing. I think this issue is symptomatic of our scientific ignorance, which has somehow become culturally acceptable, to the point where people don't accept the conclusions of research, but instead turn to baseless internet nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 08/22/2008
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It's been removed from vaccines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 08/22/2008
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If we vaccinate the children, you scream AUTISM !

If we don't, then its the republican/fascists fault for not caring about the children.

....When is the partisan narrow-minded crybaby act ever going to end......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 08/22/2008
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B.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 08/22/2008

The people who refuse to vaccinate don't even know what they're afraid of. First it was Thimerosal, a mercury based preservative. Mind you, there was never a shred of evidence to support this fear. There is now no Thimerosal in any vaccine except the flu shot for people over three years old. What are they afraid of now? Most people couldn't even tell you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/22/2008
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That statement is false.

Here is a complete list of current vaccinations, the manufacturer, contact information, and each drug's individual ingredients.

http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm

You wanna go pump a bunch of Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Mercury in your arm, nobody is stopping you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 08/22/2008

How about this? Let your child be bitten by a rabid dog. I wonder if you'll get the vaccine then. And I don't think you should advertise the fact that you're still breast feeding a three year old child. That kid is going to be a mess because of you. That is, if measles or polio or tetanus etc. etc. doesn't strike first. Shame on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 08/22/2008
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Also, aren't vaccinations VOLUNTARY ? A parent has a right to say 'no'.

Because in nations like Cuba (whom bloggers brag about), vaccinations are MANDATORY !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/22/2008
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And, paying taxes, stopping at red lights, and educating your children are all mandatory in the USA. What is your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/22/2008
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That picture is repugnant. Cycle it out cycle it out please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 08/22/2008
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