Bush Administration Inks Deal To Withdraw All Combat Forces From Iraq By 2011

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CHARLES BABINGTON | August 22, 2008 03:39 PM EST | AP

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In this March 5, 2008 file photo, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., smiles as he looks towards President Bush in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington. Barack Obama likes to say, "We can't afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush's third term." Bush's "third term" has become a favorite attack line for Democrats, one repeated almost daily by the candidate and his surrogates. They argue that McCain favors failed Bush administration economic policies and would keep U.S. troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak, File)

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain prides himself on being gung-ho about pursuing the Iraq war even if it hurts him politically. Recent events in Baghdad threaten to put him still farther out on a limb, however, as the Bush administration works toward a troop withdrawal schedule that is more aggressive than McCain envisions.

Democrat Barack Obama says a McCain presidency would amount to a third term for President Bush, whose popularity approaches historic lows. If the Baghdad negotiations appear headed to fruition while Iraq remains relatively stable _ big ifs _ some say Obama may be able to push even harder, saying McCain would out-Bush Bush if he had his way.

On the other hand, if Americans believe the war is winding down in an acceptable way, it could significantly reduce the importance of an issue central to Obama's rise to political prominence.

Iraq and the Bush administration have reached a preliminary agreement under which U.S. combat forces would pull out of major Iraqi cities, where most of the fighting has taken place, by next June and leave Iraq by 2011. It would link troop reductions to achievement of certain undisclosed security milestones. The deal also would require the endorsement of top Iraqi leaders and the Iraqi parliament, which is far from certain.

McCain repeatedly has said that events on the ground in Iraq should dictate any pullout schedule. He once suggested, however, that troops would come home, victorious, by the end of his first term, in early 2013.

Obama has set a goal of removing most U.S. combat troops within 16 months of taking office, or by the spring of 2010. He says he would listen to advice from military leaders before deciding.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told reporters Thursday of the draft proposal, but they offered few specifics. It envisions the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq's cities by June 30, 2009, according to Iraqi and American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposed deal's details have not been made public.

Zebari hinted at the proposal's possible complexity. "This agreement determines the principle provisions, requirements, to regulate the temporary presence and the time horizon, the mission of the U.S. forces," he said.

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Obama said in a statement Friday he was glad the Bush administration "has finally shifted to accepting a timetable for the removal of our combat troops from Iraq." He noted the draft has yet to be finalized, and reserved "final judgment."

He said McCain "has stubbornly focused on maintaining an indefinite U.S presence in Iraq, but events have made his bluster and record increasingly out of touch with reality. While Sen. McCain continues to offer unconditional military and economic support for Iraq, I strongly believe that we need to use our leverage with the Iraqi government to ensure a political settlement."

McCain campaign spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker said, "We're monitoring closely and will have something to say when an agreement is finalized."

U.S. political activists seem uncertain how the proposal might affect the Obama-McCain race.

"At this point, Obama looks a little less reckless than he might have a few months ago," said Michael O'Hanlon, a military expert at the Brookings Institution. O'Hanlon, who once backed Obama, has often criticized him for refusing to acknowledge the achievements of the U.S. "surge" in troop numbers and for sticking to his 16-month withdrawal goal even as events in Iraq have changed.

O'Hanlon said the proposed agreement faces substantial political and military hurdles.

Polls suggest most U.S. voters are much more concerned about the economy than the war. The proposed agreement could make Iraq even less of an issue this fall.

Steve Elmendorf, a Washington lobbyist and former Democratic leadership aide in Congress, thinks that is unlikely, however.

"I don't think this gets the issue off the table," he said. "Between now and Election Day, not a lot of troops are going to come home" even if the proposal is enacted.

"Most Americans want this thing to end," Elmendorf said, and McCain "still talks of continued engagement." Many Americans, he said, "will vote for who will get us out."

McCain repeatedly has rebuked Obama on Iraq. Campaigning Wednesday in New Mexico, he said Obama "has made it clear he values withdrawal from Iraq above victory in Iraq."

Two days earlier in Florida, McCain said, "the hard-won gains of our troops hang in the balance. The lasting advantage of a peaceful and democratic ally in the heart of the Middle East could still be squandered by hasty withdrawal and arbitrary timelines."

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EDITOR'S NOTE _ Charles Babington covers politics and Congress for The Associated Press.

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain prides himself on being gung-ho about pursuing the Iraq war even if it hurts him politically. Recent events in Baghdad threaten to put ...
WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain prides himself on being gung-ho about pursuing the Iraq war even if it hurts him politically. Recent events in Baghdad threaten to put ...
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- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 277 fans permalink
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"Originally, the administration suggested that the key measure was whether it gave breathing room for political reconciliation. So far, I think we have not seen the kind of political reconciliation that"s going to bring about long-term stability in Iraq." " Barack Obama, July 22, 2008


"Let's be clear, our troops have completed every mission they've been given. They have created the space for political reconcilia­tion." " Barack Obama, August 20, 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 08/24/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 282 fans permalink
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If M c Cain is elected that pull out will never happen.

To many Warlords there who would love to have money from the U.S. to start problems that would keep the USA in Iraq for many years to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 08/24/2008
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Defeat-o-Repubes. Who woulda thunk it.

Spin this one any way you want to tro//s, but the Repubes are cut-and-runners. Just a little slow on the uptake, that's all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 08/24/2008

The bottom line is that we are not winning and the Americans are being asked to leave Iraq on Iraqi terms, not Bush terms, who has repeatedly refused to entertain any timetables. He can at the most stand a vague time horizon.

By the way, the Taliban and the Al Queda has made huge gains in Alfghanistan and Pakistan, thanks to the policies of George Bush and the people who support him. The failure to eradicate the people behind 9-11 falls squarely on those who voted for Bush and Republicans in the last 6 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 08/24/2008
- twofish I'm a Fan of twofish 20 fans permalink

You believe these bastards? Suckers.

Hey, Charlie Brown, tell ya what. I'll hold the football, and you run up and kick it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 08/24/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

The surge - what a waste of time - money - and lives.

We cannot leave Iraq - we will eventually have to leave Iraq - when we leave Iraq the US will simply say - "Let the killing begin!!!!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 08/24/2008
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Uh, I think the killing began about 600,000 lives ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 08/24/2008

Bottom line: we're winning and the negotiated withdrawal of our troops is taking place on Bush's terms, not those of his critics. Combat troops will be leaving in 2011 because Bush didn't surrender in 2007.

The surge will down as one of the most significant military decisions in modern history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 08/23/2008

How 'bout the "decision" to invade Iraq ? Where does that rank in "significant" military decisions?

Thanks to you Larry and your Neo-Con nincompoops, this country made the BIGGEST military
blunder in modern history. But hey, what's 4000+ dead when the "surge" is all that matters, right?

Setting a timeline for 2011 means Bush/Cheney have decided to CUT & RUN ! LOSERS !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/23/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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Bottom line: B**S !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 08/25/2008
- SimonNZ I'm a Fan of SimonNZ 9 fans permalink

Can I be the first to congratulate the Republic of Iran on their hugely increased influence over Iraq and the Middle East.

Well done Bushie! Here's hoping there's still time for you to start another disastrous quagmire by bombing Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 08/23/2008

Victory is in sight.

A NEGOTIATED withdrawl, not one imposed by Congress (as Obama called for), spells victory for Bush's stay the course policy.

And guess what? We may have troops in Iraq for a hundred years, just like we will have troops in Germany and Japan.

Go Bush!

Can we elect GW for 4 more years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 08/23/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

only someone as STUPID as you would want more of GW!!!!

This is exactly what O has been calling for.... and yet, you idiots with all of the "so called experience" are now following his commands..­..

What a pathetic bunch of hyporcrite­s.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 08/23/2008

Obama said that the Iraqi government will never stand up on its own unless we put pressure on them by imposing a unilateral withrawl. This NEGOTIATED withdrawl is as far from what Obama proposed as it can be.

Obama was wrong. The Iraqis are standing up because of the surge and the Anbar Awakening, and Bush's commitment to stay the course.

We were wrong to invade Iraq. Less than two years ago it looked like there was no way to secure any kind of victory.

Today, because of Bush's steadfastness, victory is in sight.

The Anbar Awakening would have never taken place if we had set a unilateral timetable for withdrawl.

Say what you will, but in ten years, George Bush will be considered a hero in Iraq.

Freedom is never easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 08/23/2008

Except in Germany they were wanted ..........­..........­..........­IDIOT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/23/2008
- LexLuthier I'm a Fan of LexLuthier 7 fans permalink
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Wow..if you liked the Bush administration here's a movie recommendation for you:

"Two Girls, One Cup." You'll love it. Right up your alley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 08/23/2008

Where are the protests? Where is the outrage? Where is the call for immediate and unconditional withdrawal of troops?

All gone. Why? Because we are winning and far fewer Iraqi civilians and coalition troops are dying. The American attention span has already moved on and John McCain is absolutely right: if conditions continue to improve we could have troops there for a thousand years and most Americans could care less.

When is the last time you went to a "Bring the Troops Home from South Korea" rally?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 08/23/2008

Winning ?

Say, wasn't it the neocon plan to have Iraq under the control of a quisling regime which would allow America to control its oil and fill the country with permanent American military bases ? Wasn't it the neocon plan to become, in effect, the new British ?

Well, it's not going to happen. Those permanent American bases aren't going to happen because Maliki has no intention of being an American quisling and the Shiites have no intention of being the base of any kind of attack on Iran. So trillions of dollars and 4,100 American lives spent for what ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 08/24/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

ya, it's just to bad W can't run again despite what the nuts on this site believe he would wipe the floor with the junior senator / community organizer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 08/23/2008
- SimonNZ I'm a Fan of SimonNZ 9 fans permalink

'just 'too' stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 08/23/2008
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You have the political acumen of an eight year old. Your hippie buddy, a bit less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 08/24/2008
- Pat15 I'm a Fan of Pat15 7 fans permalink

Amazing the incompetence & arrogance of Bush, He is waiting for the Iraqi parliament approval for the deal but no approval from Congress here.... This is how Bush has run the country as a King ..He wud like no opostion to what he wants to do... He only wants the rest of to be sheeps just like the evangicals ... We need a change from the Repugs bad ... We as a nation has suffered enuf under the Repugs and need different direction ... Unfortunately, the cluless citizens even getting shafted year after year under Bush have not learnt their lessons ..The way Bush has brought pain to our nation in every area and lost any credibility abroad - we the sheeps continue to elect Repugs ..

.... Lazy & Cluless citizens/sheep will always elect Incompetent Leaders ..Amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/23/2008
- thos I'm a Fan of thos 2 fans permalink

The Democrat-led Congress has rubber-stamped everything Bush wants so what's the point of waiting for them to return to session?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 08/24/2008
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Iraqi negotiator says US agreed to full withdrawal by 2011
White house insists deal 'is not done until it's done'

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=95313

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 08/23/2008
- foolchild0 I'm a Fan of foolchild0 5 fans permalink

Got to love the taste of CROW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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Please explain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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ok, not so immediate.

Obama: I need to earn troops’ trust

Candidate lays out defense policies, touts his judgment over McCain’s, holds civilians accountable for missteps in Iraq
By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Jul 9, 2008 11:10:55 EDT


Getting U.S. combat troops out of Iraq is a key Obama goal, and one where he said he is misunderstood. His campaign materials say Obama would begin withdrawing combat troops from Iraq, one or two brigades a month, as soon as he takes office. But he added in the interview that the start of the withdrawal also depends on the security conditions on the ground.

Obama said he wants to reduce combat troops, leaving forces to continue training Iraqi police and military officers, providing security for U.S. officials and facilities and for counterterrorism operations. Exactly when and how quickly this would happen depends on the situation in the field, he said, acknowledging that military commanders on the ground would play a key role in recommending what steps to take.

Obama said he would not order any “precipitous” withdrawal of combat forces. Instead, he said, his policy is that “we should be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless in getting in.”

“I have always said that as commander in chief, I would seek the advice and counsel of our generals,” Obama said. But, in the end, “it is the job of commander in chief to set the strategy.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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so much for eating crow, this means we would be out in December.


Posted at 6:07 a.m., Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq

Associated Press

CLINTON, Iowa — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq, with the pullout being completed by the end of next year.
"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was," Obama said in excerpts of the speech provided to The Associated Press.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 08/23/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 49 fans permalink

I wish that your comment goes [or went] from your keyboard to God's eyes, Roguewolf. That could make 1/20/09 a pleasant day for Prez Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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Wow, sounds like a surge to me.

Obama: "For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he said. "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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I'm sorry did he say December, he meant to say March

Obama's legislation, offered on the Senate floor last night, would remove all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008. The date falls within the parameters offered by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which recommended the removal of combat troops by the first quarter of next year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 08/23/2008
- dukeitout I'm a Fan of dukeitout 3 fans permalink

BREAKING NEWS: Vice President Bush confirms that President Obama's Iraq policy is officially in force effective today. The troops will be withdrawn. Vice President Bush intimates that President Obama's Afghanistan plan will be confirmed within the next 10 days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 08/23/2008

I can hardly wait to hear what Mc Cain has to say about this withdrawal.

Senator O has been right all along - Boosh is taking a page right out of the Senator O playbook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 08/23/2008

gonna be pissed . . his lobbyist, oops CAMPAIGN Staff had been counting on a 97 year extension on their client's contracts . . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 08/23/2008
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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right all along?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 08/23/2008

He may not have been right all along, but he certainly seems to be ahead of the pack on most of the major decisions. He was right to be against the dumb war from the start. He was right about the fact that Al Qaede have to be tackled in Pakistan - to the horror of republicans. He was right that more troops need to be deployed in Afghanistan. And he has been proven right on the fact that a withdrawal date should be set.

All above instances of "right" should be translated as what he suggested was then taken up by the Bush administration after he first suggested it.

As for the surge. Here he is under some pressure. Yes it seems like it has worked. But there are other factors. The Sunni`s rising up against Al Qaede and Moqtada Al Sadr declaring a ceasefire had a huge effect on the reduction in violence. And Obama has since recognised all of these factors.

McCain was wrong about all the above decisions excepting the surge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/23/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Not acceptable.

How many thousands will die by 2011?

Does that make this America's longest war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/22/2008

No, we were in Viet Nam for ten years and lost 58,000 American soldiers' lives.

A Democratic war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 08/23/2008
- SimonNZ I'm a Fan of SimonNZ 9 fans permalink

Hmmmm. The Democrats learned their lesson about stupid wars after Vietnam. Not so sure about the Republicans though. Hence the Iraq disaster.

By the way which country will go on being a major destabilising influence in the region and continued problem for the US and rest of the the world for many years to come?

I seem to remember Vietnam being pretty quiet for the 30 years since the US pulled out. Not even a total right wingnut would be foolish enough to think that's gonna be case with Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 08/23/2008
- Joeblue I'm a Fan of Joeblue 5 fans permalink

You forgot nixon a s s h o l e.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 08/23/2008
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