Gymnasts' Parents "Indignant" Over Age Investigation

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NANCY ARMOUR and JOHN LEICESTER | August 22, 2008 04:12 PM EST | AP

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China's gymnast gold medal winner He Kexin poses with her gold medal during the uneven bars apparatus finals at the Beijing 2008 Olympics in Beijing, Monday, Aug. 18, 2008. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham)

BEIJING — The parents of the Chinese gymnasts are indignant, the International Olympic Committee sounds satisfied and the Beijing Games are almost over. Yet questions persisted Friday about the ages of China's gold-medal women's gymnastics team.

Are they 14? Are they 16?

Hoping to put a definitive end to a simmering controversy, China was asked to provide additional documents that prove five of the six team members were old enough to compete at these games. The request, by the International Gymnastics Federation, was made at the urging of the IOC, despite China's insistence that its athletes were not underage and the fact that there is no irrefutable proof to the contrary.

Still, the questions haven't abated, and so the Chinese federation was asked one more time to prove the girls were eligible.

"It's not a question of a final decision," IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies said. "We simply want the federation to work with the national federation ... to just put to bed once and for all the questions."

The FIG asked China for documents on He Kexin, Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuan, Deng Linlin and Li Shanshan, and said it will forward all information to the IOC. The organization didn't set a deadline, but with the games ending Sunday, the IOC wants to dispel any lingering doubts as quickly as possible.

Questions about the Chinese women have been swirling for months, with media reports and online records suggesting that He, Yang and Jiang might be as young as 14. Gymnasts must turn 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible.

Four of China's six medals could be affected if evidence of cheating is found. In addition to the team gold, He won the gold medal on uneven bars and Yang won bronzes on bars and the all-around.

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"It is in the interests of all concerned, not least the athletes themselves, to resolve this issue once and for all," the FIG said in a statement.

That's all anyone wants, said Jim Scherr, chief executive of the U.S. Olympic Committee, which sent a letter to the IOC and FIG on Friday asking that they take one last look.

"We certainly believe that it's important for the IOC and the international federation to review the issue and hopefully lay it to rest because the questions surrounding the age of some of the athletes have been out there for quite a while and it's unfair to them and unfair to the other athletes to continue to linger," Scherr said.

No one would be happier to finally have closure on the controversy than the gymnasts' parents.

China coach Lu Shanzhen said the parents are "indignant" over persistent questions about their daughters' ages.

"It's not just me. The parents of our athletes are all very indignant," Lu said. "They have faced groundless suspicion. Why aren't they believed? Why are their children suspected? Their parents are very angry."

In an interview with The Associated Press, Lu said Asian gymnasts are naturally smaller than their American and European rivals.

"At this competition, the Japanese gymnasts were just as small as the Chinese," he said. "Chinese competitors have for years all been small. It is not just this time. It is a question of race. European and American athletes are all powerful, very robust. But Chinese athletes cannot be like that. They are by nature that small."

Lu said the governing body of gymnastics has already been given some of the requested documents, turning over He's current and former passport, ID card and family residence permit Thursday. Lu said the documents all say she was born in 1992, which would have made her eligible to compete.

"Surely it's not possible that these documents are still not sufficient proof of her birthdate?" Lu asked. "The passports were issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry. The identity card was issued by China's Ministry of Public Security. If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?"

Earlier this month, the AP found registration lists previously posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Sport of China that showed both He and Yang were too young to compete. He was born Jan. 1, 1994, according to the 2005, 2006 and 2007 registration lists. Yang was born Aug. 26, 1993, according to the 2004, 2005 and 2006 registration lists. In the 2007 registration list, however, her birthday has changed to Aug. 26, 1992.

"If you trust every Web site but not a government...," Lu said. "There are so many Web sites, so much hearsay. These are not official. Is it possible that all news on the Internet is accurate?"

The FIG and IOC thought they had addressed the issue at the start of the games. The FIG said a passport is the "accepted proof of a gymnast's eligibility," and that China's gymnasts presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls' passports and deemed them valid before the games.

But the controversy never quite went away, with He being asked about her age as recently as Monday, after she won the bars gold. Neither the IOC or FIG would say why the IOC asked gymnastics officials to investigate "what have been a number of questions and apparent discrepancies" now, three days after the gymnastics competition ended.

"With some questions still remaining, we asked the federation to take a closer look," Davies said.

The IOC, however, sounded as if it did not expect anything to be found.

"We believe the matter will be put to rest and there's no question ... on the eligibility," Davies said. "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation _ including birth certificates."

Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren't as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure.

North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts' ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.

Even China's own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 during the 2000 Games.

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Armour is an AP National Writer; Leicester is an AP Olympics columnist. AP Sports Writer Stephen Wilson contributed to this report.

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To lie about age in these Olympics is completely counter to the spirit of the games. Why China would risk such controversy when they have such superlative athletes at all ages is an indicator of an oppressed society.

The games were spectacular, visually stunning in every regard; China can be proud of that! But for officials to feign compliance with IOC rules is likely a learned behavior in a society that lacks freedom and human rights.

I would guess that the coaches acted out of fear, secrecy, and state mandated pride because life in their culture and society is full of the same? Lying is a required survival mechanism with a government that is obsessed with control over pride and excellence?

When respect comes out of fear and intimidation it feels very different than when it comes out of love and admiration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 08/24/2008

Bunch of cheaters, the Chinese. Simple as that. Why let them get away with it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 08/24/2008
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China coach Lu Shanzhen said the parents are "indignant" over persistent questions about their daughters' ages.
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Well, all they have to do is to provide a legitimate birth certificate showing that their children are at least 16 years old. This is apparently something they can't do, so they get indignant. Personally I am indignant that their children cheated and that the Chinese government sanctioned the cheating. This does nothing but tarnish the reputation of the games.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/24/2008
- Kaos911 I'm a Fan of Kaos911 5 fans permalink

Say what you want about the Chinese. Bust has us owing them a trillion dollars. $1,000,000,000,000.00 in debt to liars, cheaters and a ruthless government. Now that's rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/24/2008

"If you trust every Web site but not a government...," Lu said. "There are so many Web sites, so much hearsay. These are not official. Is it possible that all news on the Internet is accurate?"---- HA HA THAT'S PRICELESS..

We're to trust the government that sentences two elderly ladies to labor reeducation camp for wanting to protest a land dispute...whose official policy is to block access to the free internet and track down independent-minded bloggers....ah well, who are you going to believe...anyway, I don't understand why it's so difficult to put this age issue to rest. Can't they find some evidence or solid testimony of when these girls were still babies? - Neighbors of the family, bookings for baby celebrations, school documents, it can't be so difficult, can it? I mean if we can find out the ages of Dominican baseball players...it just may take some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 08/23/2008

Nadia Comaneci, the opportunity of the 84 russian boycott. and the envy and jealousy of soap opera queens brought about the age restrictions. Russian and Romanian gymnasts who developed the art, no longer fit the script american broadcasters want for their ratings, the public has forgotten why they are obsessed w/ womens gymnastics and figure skating, the repressed childhood trauma of seeing all those russian girls getting to be the queen of the games.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 08/22/2008
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Who cares if their parents are "indignant?"

Don't cheat and you won't have to be "indignant!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 08/22/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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I guess they weren't too indignant to effectively sell off their children to the god of Olympic gold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 08/22/2008
- DAE I'm a Fan of DAE 20 fans permalink
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Oh enough already, we Americans are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 08/23/2008

I assume they said that from their new home, where their new car was parked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 08/22/2008
- triplbee I'm a Fan of triplbee 30 fans permalink

It is embarrassing to watch the US and the West in general react as poor losers. The announcers in the women's diving contest last night were deriding the clearly superior Chinese divers and openly cheering for the Canadian diver. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear American track officials call for an investigation of the Jamaican sprinters, who are absolutely kicking our ass. As a former athlete I can assure you that many of the athletes and coaches at these games are cheating, irrespective of national origin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 08/22/2008
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There is very clear evidence that these child gymnasts were not old enough to compete. You think that is OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 08/24/2008

Is there any real way to prove a person's age with a great degree of accuracy? What would the IOC need to do in order to prove that the Chinese gymnasts had misrepresented their age?

This is becoming a lot like the Lance Armstrong saga. The French will always believe that Armstrong wa a doper and cheater, but Americans will always believe that the French are simply being jealous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 08/22/2008

You make a very good point. The North Koreans were nailed for age falsification because they listed Kim Gwang Suk as 15 for three years in a row. However, as I noted in my earlier post, I wonder if the validity of the Chinese government issued passports for these girls could be called into question if it was shown that they had also submitted fake ID papers for Yang Yun when she competed in the Sydney Olympics in 2000 despite being only 14 at the time. Why is no one following this lead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 08/22/2008

"Is there any real way to prove a person's age with a great degree of accuracy? "

At that age yes, within a couple months. For adults over 25ish... not that closely. Bones aren't fully developed even into your late teens, they haven't fused completely. So you can take xrays and get pretty close on how old a child is. Dental records would also provide an age estimate based on 2nd molars (come in about 12ish) and wisdom teeth (17-20ish)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 08/22/2008

As well as hair growth in certain regions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 08/22/2008
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Yeah, it's called a birth certificate.

Most advanced cultures have them. I actually have the one issued to my mom for my birth 48 years ago. There was also a copy that was put into public record. And they match!

But seeing that the Chinese government controls every aspect of life over there, I guess they can say these kids are 40 if they want to.

Maybe there should be a central clearing house for Olympic hopefuls. Register them like thoroughbreds, at the time of their birth. Every Olympian's birthday will be January 1. So if you are born on Dec. 31, the next day you would be 1 year old.

BTW, if you haven't noticed He Kexan was born either 1/1/1992 or 1/1/1994, whichever record you want to use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/22/2008

I have and interesting, as well the Chinese newspapers are controlled by the chinese govt as well.

Problem is, the govt of China wanted to generate excitement for the upcoming Olympics, so the newspaper printed a story about 'He' about a year or more ago. The newspaper writer not knowing about the 16 year old rule, printed 'He's' true age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 08/22/2008

hospital records, doctor's records, school records, joining the gymnastic club records, everything in a communist society is recorded, there must be dozen of written docs.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/22/2008
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There must have been a roster for each of the countries teams BEFORE the Olympics available for review. The time to protest was BEFORE the Olympics not AFTER. To cry foul after wining the silver makes the U.S.A team look like sore losers instead of gracious participants. Our team did very well and has nothing to be ashamed of. The U.S.A coaches need to stop acting like little league parents complaining about a bad call and move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 08/22/2008

Actually, RRoadrunner, I believe the Brits are even more eager for an investigation than the Americans. The Times of London was the first to break the story of the IOC investigation, and if you browse the British news websites, you'll see that they're especially upset because the British gymnast Beth Tweddle would have won bronze or even silver on the uneven bars if two of the Chinese gymnasts in question were in fact underage, Tweddle is 23, and this was her last chance to compete in the Olympics. Naturally, this age issue affects more countries than the U.S. The Russians, for instance, placed fourth in the team competition. I agree that the IOC should have investigated months ago when the NYT's broke the story and was followed by the LA Times, etc. But when has the IOC been known for competence and integrity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 08/22/2008
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Very, Very good rebuttle. It does have a cascading effect beyond the "Americans".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 08/22/2008

The Chinese coach complains about journalists who "trust every Web site but not a government...There are so many Web sites, so much hearsay. These are not official. Is it possible that all news on the Internet is accurate?"

But isn't the General Administration of Sport of China an official government website? Why shouldn't we "trust" registration lists posted by an official government agency on their own website? Isn't age verification the primary reason why government registration lists are assembled in the first place?

Another question: Did the Chinese government also provide a passport to verify Yang Yun's age when she competed at the Sydney Olympics in 2000? As the article notes, Yang Yun later admitted that she was only 14 years old at the time. If they provided false ID documents in the past, why is it so difficult to imagine that they would do so again? And shouldn't they be penalized for such mendacity? The North Koreans were. Why weren't the Chinese? Or is it suggested that the Chinese government had nothing to do with Yang Yun's age falsification? I would love it if some enterprising journalist solved these mysteries for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 08/22/2008
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I know this is a hot issue and emotional issue for individual performers. I hope that the truth will come out soon and everyone can put this behind...
Faking age is surely bad, but I don't think China has exclusivity to faking documents... how about the nuclear weapon in Iraq? That is obioulsy harder to fake and takes more skills.
I am against faking, China or USA. China should come out to clear the name and present more documents... US patriots: Don't over politicize this. Who can cast the first stone? James Shen asks this good question in his "China Bashing Marathon" below
http://www.chinationreport.com/ChinaBashingMarathon.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 08/22/2008
- Badbone I'm a Fan of Badbone 11 fans permalink

One lie doesn't excuse another. Yes the US faked documents. It doesn't mean China faking documents is any less wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 08/24/2008
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