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Biden: The Good, Great, Bad and Ugly

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August 23, 2008 06:28 PM



Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if difficult to describe, attribute of likability.

At the same time, the five-term Delaware Senator carries some baggage, including two alleged incidents of plagiarism; an episode of resume inflation; a tendency to shoot from the mouth - only sometimes on target; and the dubious distinction of becoming the first national party nominee with known hair plugs.

That said, the Biden choice is likely to be far less consequential to the outcome on Election Day than the current flurry of commentary suggests. Although political analysts and political scientists have explored the importance of vice presidential picks, "the quantitative research finds nothing," notes MIT political scientist Charles Stewart III. "You can't even really say that there's a 'first do no harm' principle involved, since there are plenty of examples of 'problematic' vice presidential choices, running from Johnson (alienated Kennedy's core) to Bush I (alienated Reagan's core) to Quayle (lightweight boy blunder)."

With that caveat, Stewart went on to remark, "it's clear that the Obama campaign felt they needed a forceful voice in foreign policy, with Georgia rekindling thoughts of a new cold war, and a bulldog on working class issues. Expect a lot of foreign policy pronouncement with Altoona, Pa. on the dateline."

Biden was born in Scranton -- just the kind of hard-scrabble, working class community found all over Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio where Obama most needs to improve his margins. When Biden was 10, he moved to Delaware, where his father sold cars. Like many Irish pols, he does not mince words when on the attack:

"This guy is brain dead," Biden declared about President Bush while campaigning in July in Iowa. "This is a guy who is on the balls of his heels, here's a guy who is lower off in the polls than any president in modern history."

Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, was ecstatic: "Solid choice, great working-class roots."

The McCain campaign, however, immediately leapt on Biden's willingness to criticize adversaries and his occasional tendency to throw caution to the winds.

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In an ad put up on Saturday, McCain shows Biden on July 19, 2007 on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is [Obama] he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement."

In addition, the McCain web site quotes Biden on the August 7, 2007 Diane Rehm show, "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

It's doubtful, however, that Biden's campaign critiques of Obama will be held against him: every time a nominee has chosen a primary opponent to join the ticket (Reagan-Bush, Kerry-Edwards), the opposition has tried to use attacks made in the heat of campaigning, almost always to little effect.

In addition, McCain now appears to be leaning toward Mitt Romney as his VP pick and, if he does make that choice, there are numerous Romney quotes about McCain that will come back to haunt him.

Many of the people interviewed about the Biden choice - Republicans, Democrats and political scientists - cited the conflict between the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and Russia, and the potential for a conflagration overseas, as a crucial factor in Obama's choice of a running mate with extensive knowledge of international affairs.

Republicans are countering by suggesting that Biden's knowledge of foreign policy focuses attention on Obama's weakness in this area:

"It's a good pick for Obama, for he clearly realizes, that more and more voters don't see him with the experience and skills to handle the most important part of the Presidency-foreign policy," said Republican National Committeeman Ron Kaufman. "His problem is folks vote for a President not the VP."

Republican media maven Alex Castellanos started gently: "Good solid political choice," he said, before sticking in the knife: "The grey hair, maturity and foreign policy credentials help, of course, balancing Obama's Benjamin Button-like campaign, where he has grown more innocent and inexperienced before our eyes. It is a good safe establishment choice, much like Dean Smith at Chapel Hill running the 4-corners offense. It's a great way to protect a 20 point lead. The problem is Obama doesn't have a 20 point lead."

Some of the immediate media commentary elaborated on similar themes, a development the McCain campaign was quick to pick up on and send out in emails:

"The Associated Press's Ron Fournier: 'The Candidate Of Change Went With The Status Quo... He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate -- the ultimate insider -- rather than a candidate from outside Washington.' ABC's Jake Tapper: 'Obama is running on the slogan 'Change we can believe in,' but the freshman senator selected as his running mate a six-term senate institution, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware'."

No slouches, the Obama campaign beat back the McCain folks in the email wars:

"Des Moines Register (David Yepsen): 'It's a choice that should help Obama in Iowa, a battleground state...Picking Biden is a solid choice that adds political savvy, national security experience and a pit bull campaigner to Obama's ticket.' Washington Post (Dan Balz): 'Still, Biden brings far more to the ticket than foreign policy experience. He has a powerful personal story... Biden's record in the area of crime and the judiciary is another asset Democrats can point to that will go beyond his foreign policy credentials.'

Democratic strategist Jim Jordan told the Huffington Post that Biden is:

"The best possible pick. Not only does he, of course, bring the right resume to the team with respect to foreign and military affairs and crime [Biden also served as chair of the Judiciary Committee], but he's got the perfect demeanor and skill set. He's aggressive and, despite his affability, he's got a commendable mean streak. Which is a nice and necessary change after the weak sisters [Lieberman and Edwards] picked the past two cycles. Not just [likely GOP VP picks] Romney or Pawlenty, but McCain, too, will just get their lunches handed to them."

Another Democrat, Tom King, argued to the Huffington Post that Biden not only "helps put away Pennsylvania, he might help [because as a longtime backer of Israel, he has strong Jewish support] in Florida. He also attacks well without being mean-spirited. The downside is that he's not change. He helps with foreign policy, but Obama still has to measure up."

In the initial surge of Biden commentary, there has been very little reference to early problems that derailed his 1988 presidential bid: his failure to attribute a long section of a campaign speech that year to its actual author, Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labor Party and his failure to disclose in a law school paper that he had used 5 pages of material '' from a published law review article without quotation or attribution'' according to a Syracuse law school faculty report, dated Dec. 1, 1965. The New York Times detailed the incident in a story on September 18, 1987.

Biden's plagiarism difficulties during the 1987-88 campaign were compounded by disclosures that on the stump, he had exaggerated his academic credentials.

On September 21, 1987, he acknowledged that an earlier claim - that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his law school class and that he ''graduated with three degrees from college'' - were not true. In fact, he was 76th in a class of 85, and he graduated college with one degree in a combined major of political science and history.

One of the most insightful analyses of the pros and cons of Biden was posted by Hillary Clinton's top strategist and communications director Howard Wolfson. He wrote:

"The fighting in Georgia underscored the need to bring some foreign policy experience to the ticket.....It's critical that the veep be willing and able to take an axe or at least an ice pick to the presidential candidate of the other party....Senator Obama also needs to improve his performance with lunch bucket and working class Democrats. Biden has spent his career appealing to those voters....The Obama campaign clearly made the decision that they did not need their veep pick to reinforce their change message, and that was a smart move. Obama brings plenty of change and excitement on his own."

Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
 
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I was a strong supporter of Senator Biden, he would make an outstanding President.
I am NOT a supporter of Onama's, the addition of Senator Biden to the ticket, does not change
my mind on Obama. Senator Biden should be at the top of the ticket, and Obama not on it at all.
The selection of Senator Biden reinforces Obama's total lack of experience - in foreign policy,
domestic policy, his problems with blue-collar voters, and on and on...
It shows that Obama desperately needed someone else to shore him up, because he lacks
experience on all levels.
Many of us Democrats are getting that sinking sick feeling in the pit of our stomachs, that we
have experienced since 2000, - you know that - "I can't believe we are losing to this guy."
It is astonishing that McCain could actually win this - it makes NO sense on any level.
Let's hope this will not be another election the Democrats lose, with everything going in the
Democrats favor, once again they could lose. Because once again they are nominating a
candidate that really does look like the Kerry & Dukasis - still again...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 08/25/2008

Totally agree with you!!! what a joke Biden bring nothing to the ticket but his fierce fight, he's a washington insider so much for change. I would be happier if Biden was on the top of this ticket Obama is just not ready to lead like many other presidents before him mainly GW wasn't ready and look what we got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/25/2008
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reading what the two of you have written it would seem that you've each made your decision It's too bad you're having such a problem with a choice of one of the two. Face it, it's Obama or McCain. Democrat or Republican. Think real hard. Which do you REALLY want??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 08/25/2008

Well its very nice that you think the order ot the ticket should be reversed, too bad for you that nobody else though that during the Democrat primaries and caucuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 08/25/2008

Joe Biden shares a birthday, month and day, with... Bobby Kennedy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 08/24/2008

A few non-policy and non-issue related gaffes are nothing, although expect McCain supporters to use them as they scrounge for ammo against Biden. Still, when compared to the plethora of daily policy and issue gaffes put forth by McCain and his twin Bush, you will see that the McCain supporters and the MSM are at a loss to find anything relevant or substantive with which to attempt to smear Biden. And as for "plagiarism", can McCain say "wikipedia"? ...To more clearly see evidence of the MSM's double standard with plagiarism, look at Ronald Reagan's two most famously visceral and enduring statements:
1) "Go ahead, make my day!" - from the movie "Sudden Impact", but Plagiarizing Ronald never once acknowledged the source of the line.
2) "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!" - from the song by Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Yet again, Plagiarizing Ronald never gave credit to the original writers.
...And the MSM has never called Reagan on either of these.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 08/24/2008
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Actually, "You ain't seen nothing yet" goes back to entertainer Al Jolson---more in keeping with Reagan's generation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 08/24/2008

Supposedly he was chosen for his foriegn policy acumen. If this is so it brings to mind one question, on the biggest foreign policy issue, the Iraq War, Biden has consistently disagreed with Obama, so they were both right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 08/24/2008

How many terms has Biden served as U.S. Senator? Six or something like that? And if those are all the negatives you can come up with, then Biden sounds like a relative Boy Scout to me -- hair plugs and all.

Are we forgetting that McCain was one of the Keating 5? One of the biggest corruption scandals of its time? McCain was found to less involved than the other senators -- but still, this is a major taint on his career that makes anything Biden has done look like small potatoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 08/24/2008

The plagerism charges were enough to drum him out tof the Presidential race in 1984.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 08/24/2008
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If you mean plagiarism, there's an article you could read that explains it to you:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808230003

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/24/2008

If I were in Obama's position, being branded as not ready for prime time, I too would pick someone as a running mate who has a good reputation, who has experience, who knows people, who has influence and who is willing to get firm, even nasty, upon occasion. That's the only way to have a quick learning curve to get the changes made that need to be made.

I believe that Obama and Biden will work together as one, the ultimate team. I believe Obama made a great choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 08/24/2008

This is what Barak Obama himself would call a distraction.

Is Biden an indicator of where Obama really stands on the issues, or does he represent the inclusion of a dissident voice in Obama's administration of change?

Take your pick, however, neither Obama nor Biden will pass laws; neither Obama nor Biden will bring the war criminals to account; neither Obama nor Biden will bring those who broke domestic spying laws before impeachment hearings.

While you are debating the merits of an Obama-Biden ticket, your Congress person is letting criminals walk the streets.

http://pogoprinciple.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/24/2008

One hopes that people will also vote in a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. Otherwise, you may be right. But at least we will have tried our electoral best...and as the old story goes about the bird and the falling sky... one does what one can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 08/24/2008

How did you Congress person stand on the war?

Did your Congress person support the impeachment of the President on war crimes, domestic spying, and misleading the American people into an unjust war?

Did your Congress person vote to push for hearings into the crimes of THIS president.

Did you Congress person vote to cut off funding for THIS war?

If your honest answer is "No," then you have not tried your electoral best.

If a Democratic Party controlled Congress cannot bring a dangerous and imperial Republican president to an accounting for his actions, what hope can you have that Obama will not - at the very least, and assuming he does no further harm of his own - leave the Presidency in such condition as to make the next Republican president even more powerful.

To give you an example: what would Bush have done with the 90,000 additional troops that Obama promises to add under his presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 08/24/2008

Cool list: ----biden FOR the war in Iraq----messiah FOR FISA----messiah AGAINST gun control----messiah FOR off-shore drilling-----biden FOR Mccain-----messiah FOR REZCO----bidens son washington lobbyest-----messiah FOR Reverend Wright before he was AGAINST him----messiah FOR his grandma before he was AGAINST her----biden FOR criminal conduct in Washington before he was AGAINST it----messiah and biden FOR plagairized speeches...........

CHANGE ITS A BEAUTIFUL IF MEANINGLESS THING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 08/24/2008

Good post. Look it doesn't matter who he picked or what he does... Obamassiah is crashing in the polls because he now has to appeal to real Americans, adults and all the people with an IQ above 80. The One is just another Leftist snob that talks down to middle-America. Most people do not like that.

Unless the stock market crashes, McCain wins HUGE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 08/24/2008

This is the type of person that you don't even try to debate because their intelligence will not allow them to read any factual info that disputes their pre-conceived notions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 08/24/2008

I still get amazed on a daily basis. The last thing I expected to see on this site was a banner ad that directs you to the JohnnyMac site!

But there it is big as life......wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 08/24/2008

I just got lost on the site and had to find my way back here with a trail of crumbs...BUT...in my wanderings I fell into a rabid battle between neocons, PUMA people and the liberal forces. It was bloody... verbal swords were pulled, cannons firing...bodies everywhere.

I wondered if I should send for reinforcements...

It's a shame I can't remember where I was. Siiiigh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/24/2008
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With my Firefox browser and its ad blocker, I don't see no stinkin Repug ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/24/2008

lol.....I work in IT and we install various products that filter ads etc. A lot of folks get mad because they can't see the ads and they can't get to websites.

I tell them "ignorance is bliss" :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 08/24/2008
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Nothing said in a debate would ever stand up in court and cannot stand on its own merit. Debate is argumentaion and anysis. Debaters--really good ones, such as those on college teams--are called upon in tournaments to argue both sides of the same contention. Biden is masterful at argumentation. No one will beat him in a debate, especially Pizza Boy.
To paraphrase that Hopi Indian phrase Maria Shriver invoked at an earlier rally:
He is the Pit Bull we have been waiting for...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 08/24/2008

One of my former students was President (?) of the Harvard Debate Team and has debated internationally. He recently told me that most debaters rely heavily on "insta-facts" to prove their
points and, if the opposing team doesn't recognize it as pure garbage, they eventually win the debate.

I was appalled and beat him soundly on the head...

But it seems times have changed. Siiiiigh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/24/2008

I watched a movie last night. "No country for old men". Although it is a "dark morality tale" with violence, it is a good movie.

It speaks directly to your "times have changed" statement

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 08/24/2008

i think obomma nor mccane hasent mentioned 1 word about mentally i'll people, bipolor , disabled and only job's college and middle class .Well there are poor and below proverty like me who only makes less than 7,000 a year.What about us.what about your poor people and people who have nothing.im not convinced from either canidate nor do i think i will vote if they dont concider us

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 08/24/2008

I am going to suggest something to you and I hope you don't think that it is "putting you down" in any way shape or form. I volunteer for an organization that you might be interested in. You are on a computer, so all you have to do is click on the link below.

http://www.proliteracy.org/proliteracy_america/index.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/24/2008

You are a good man, Gunga Din... and I have become a fan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 08/24/2008

I don't know where you are from, but there are agencies out there who can direct you to almost any support group you could want.

You might start with calling the United Way...they have vast resources

Or call your local High School Counselor. You will not fit her immediate sources, but they also work with families and know many sources of help for almost anything you could think of.

The telephone book is also a good source.. look in the front under Social Services...

Good luck to you. You really are not invisible although you may think so. There are people who are waiting for your call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/24/2008
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There are county mental health agencies all over the US (I used to work at a few)

To find one near you, go to Google and type in:
county mental health

They provide services to low income individuals in need

Best of luck to you. There are people out there who care.

Obama-Biden 08

YES WE CAN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 08/24/2008

Another place to meet similar people: www.mccain.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/25/2008

Obama and Biden. I think that's great. Senator Obama was fortunate to have had a large field of qualified people to choose from, and he made a good choice. Just get ready to hear those names played with by the same kind of folks who can't stop saying Barak Hussein Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 08/24/2008

I just love the remark where little joe biden said " I would be honored to run on a ticket with Senator Mccain becuse I think the country would be better off"!

He is either the ultimate lier or the ultimate hypocrite, but since he did vote for the war probably a little of both.

cool list: ----biden FOR the war in Iraq----messiah FOR FISA----messiah AGAINST gun control----messiah FOR off-shore drilling-----biden FOR Mccain-----messiah FOR REZCO----bidens son washington lobbyest.....CHANGE ITS A BEAUTIFUL IF MEANINGLESS THING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/24/2008

You know, I am perplexed. I am often perplexed, but this one really has me going.

How many of us, any of us, could survive the kind of microscopic historical review that any candidate is subjected to...especially with the full knowledge that our opponents will magnify any tiny slip into a terrible sin?

The fact of the matter is, I don't even KNOW who I was forty years ago...she was a different woman living in a different time making different mistakes with different outcomes.

I think the terrible behaviors need to be exposed because they speak to innate character...but the little stuff, that many of us have done but would prefer to have forgotten, should be left in the hole from which it was dug.

I don't see a whole lot of people walking around with halos hovering over their heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 08/24/2008

Lying and cheating are not "little stuff".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 08/24/2008

Find me a person who says he has NEVER cheated on anything, and I'll show you a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 08/24/2008
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Right, and George Bush and Dick Cheney broke the mold on lying and cheating. Obama/Biden will clean up the mess those thugs made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/24/2008

Yet, all politicians seem to lie and cheat somewhat. Then we pick and choose which lies are important, usually based on our support for any one candidate. We need to ask how a candidate will perform when in office and not pick and choose which past sins to forgive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 08/24/2008
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I guess if you ignore that fact that Biden was one of three democratic senators that supported the GOP Bankrupcy and Reform Act of 2005 and gave the middle class legalized usary, 33% credit card interest rates, and wiped out any hope of average americans straining under debt, 52% due to medical bills any help at all, permits corporations to relocate to a mail box in Delaware so they can avoid taxes, pension and other obligations in other states, well, I guess then he was a good choice. If ever there was a person who can't wait to help a corporation with their problems over the common man, then Bidden's your man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 08/24/2008

Don't bring that stuff up... besides, ol' lying biden was just looking out for his Deleware constituents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 08/24/2008
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Gee Thom, I guess you and your friends are perfect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/24/2008
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Biden said " I THINK he CAN be ready". He did not say he was not ready. Through the campaign, it appears the Biden has decided that Obama is ready to be POTUS. The way McCains ads twist words is nothing short of lies. With Biden on the ticket, I believe that McCain and his camp are fearful, and will start throwing the bathtub to deflect that McCain is NOT ready to be POTUS. He is George Bush, re-incarnated.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/24/2008
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