Biden: The Good, Great, Bad and Ugly

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First Posted: 08-23-08 06:28 PM   |   Updated: 09-23-08 05:12 AM

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Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if difficult to describe, attribute of likability.

At the same time, the five-term Delaware Senator carries some baggage, including two alleged incidents of plagiarism; an episode of resume inflation; a tendency to shoot from the mouth - only sometimes on target; and the dubious distinction of becoming the first national party nominee with known hair plugs.

That said, the Biden choice is likely to be far less consequential to the outcome on Election Day than the current flurry of commentary suggests. Although political analysts and political scientists have explored the importance of vice presidential picks, "the quantitative research finds nothing," notes MIT political scientist Charles Stewart III. "You can't even really say that there's a 'first do no harm' principle involved, since there are plenty of examples of 'problematic' vice presidential choices, running from Johnson (alienated Kennedy's core) to Bush I (alienated Reagan's core) to Quayle (lightweight boy blunder)."

With that caveat, Stewart went on to remark, "it's clear that the Obama campaign felt they needed a forceful voice in foreign policy, with Georgia rekindling thoughts of a new cold war, and a bulldog on working class issues. Expect a lot of foreign policy pronouncement with Altoona, Pa. on the dateline."

Biden was born in Scranton -- just the kind of hard-scrabble, working class community found all over Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio where Obama most needs to improve his margins. When Biden was 10, he moved to Delaware, where his father sold cars. Like many Irish pols, he does not mince words when on the attack:

"This guy is brain dead," Biden declared about President Bush while campaigning in July in Iowa. "This is a guy who is on the balls of his heels, here's a guy who is lower off in the polls than any president in modern history."

Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, was ecstatic: "Solid choice, great working-class roots."

The McCain campaign, however, immediately leapt on Biden's willingness to criticize adversaries and his occasional tendency to throw caution to the winds.

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In an ad put up on Saturday, McCain shows Biden on July 19, 2007 on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is [Obama] he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement."

In addition, the McCain web site quotes Biden on the August 7, 2007 Diane Rehm show, "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

It's doubtful, however, that Biden's campaign critiques of Obama will be held against him: every time a nominee has chosen a primary opponent to join the ticket (Reagan-Bush, Kerry-Edwards), the opposition has tried to use attacks made in the heat of campaigning, almost always to little effect.

In addition, McCain now appears to be leaning toward Mitt Romney as his VP pick and, if he does make that choice, there are numerous Romney quotes about McCain that will come back to haunt him.

Many of the people interviewed about the Biden choice - Republicans, Democrats and political scientists - cited the conflict between the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and Russia, and the potential for a conflagration overseas, as a crucial factor in Obama's choice of a running mate with extensive knowledge of international affairs.

Republicans are countering by suggesting that Biden's knowledge of foreign policy focuses attention on Obama's weakness in this area:

"It's a good pick for Obama, for he clearly realizes, that more and more voters don't see him with the experience and skills to handle the most important part of the Presidency-foreign policy," said Republican National Committeeman Ron Kaufman. "His problem is folks vote for a President not the VP."

Republican media maven Alex Castellanos started gently: "Good solid political choice," he said, before sticking in the knife: "The grey hair, maturity and foreign policy credentials help, of course, balancing Obama's Benjamin Button-like campaign, where he has grown more innocent and inexperienced before our eyes. It is a good safe establishment choice, much like Dean Smith at Chapel Hill running the 4-corners offense. It's a great way to protect a 20 point lead. The problem is Obama doesn't have a 20 point lead."

Some of the immediate media commentary elaborated on similar themes, a development the McCain campaign was quick to pick up on and send out in emails:

"The Associated Press's Ron Fournier: 'The Candidate Of Change Went With The Status Quo... He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate -- the ultimate insider -- rather than a candidate from outside Washington.' ABC's Jake Tapper: 'Obama is running on the slogan 'Change we can believe in,' but the freshman senator selected as his running mate a six-term senate institution, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware'."

No slouches, the Obama campaign beat back the McCain folks in the email wars:

"Des Moines Register (David Yepsen): 'It's a choice that should help Obama in Iowa, a battleground state...Picking Biden is a solid choice that adds political savvy, national security experience and a pit bull campaigner to Obama's ticket.' Washington Post (Dan Balz): 'Still, Biden brings far more to the ticket than foreign policy experience. He has a powerful personal story... Biden's record in the area of crime and the judiciary is another asset Democrats can point to that will go beyond his foreign policy credentials.'

Democratic strategist Jim Jordan told the Huffington Post that Biden is:

"The best possible pick. Not only does he, of course, bring the right resume to the team with respect to foreign and military affairs and crime [Biden also served as chair of the Judiciary Committee], but he's got the perfect demeanor and skill set. He's aggressive and, despite his affability, he's got a commendable mean streak. Which is a nice and necessary change after the weak sisters [Lieberman and Edwards] picked the past two cycles. Not just [likely GOP VP picks] Romney or Pawlenty, but McCain, too, will just get their lunches handed to them."

Another Democrat, Tom King, argued to the Huffington Post that Biden not only "helps put away Pennsylvania, he might help [because as a longtime backer of Israel, he has strong Jewish support] in Florida. He also attacks well without being mean-spirited. The downside is that he's not change. He helps with foreign policy, but Obama still has to measure up."

In the initial surge of Biden commentary, there has been very little reference to early problems that derailed his 1988 presidential bid: his failure to attribute a long section of a campaign speech that year to its actual author, Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labor Party and his failure to disclose in a law school paper that he had used 5 pages of material '' from a published law review article without quotation or attribution'' according to a Syracuse law school faculty report, dated Dec. 1, 1965. The New York Times detailed the incident in a story on September 18, 1987.

Biden's plagiarism difficulties during the 1987-88 campaign were compounded by disclosures that on the stump, he had exaggerated his academic credentials.

On September 21, 1987, he acknowledged that an earlier claim - that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his law school class and that he ''graduated with three degrees from college'' - were not true. In fact, he was 76th in a class of 85, and he graduated college with one degree in a combined major of political science and history.

One of the most insightful analyses of the pros and cons of Biden was posted by Hillary Clinton's top strategist and communications director Howard Wolfson. He wrote:

"The fighting in Georgia underscored the need to bring some foreign policy experience to the ticket.....It's critical that the veep be willing and able to take an axe or at least an ice pick to the presidential candidate of the other party....Senator Obama also needs to improve his performance with lunch bucket and working class Democrats. Biden has spent his career appealing to those voters....The Obama campaign clearly made the decision that they did not need their veep pick to reinforce their change message, and that was a smart move. Obama brings plenty of change and excitement on his own."

Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
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We are living in historic times and I am so excited for the Obama-Biden ticket.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 08/24/2008

I let the pick sort of "percolate" a while before making any comment. I am an independent voter, one with no ties to either party. While I am still a long time off before making a final decision, this pic by O disappointed me. His whole appeal was that it was going to be a fresh start, something totally different from any other election cycle. The fact that he chose such a Washington insider frankly shocked me. I was actually hoping for Sebelius quite frankly.

I don't like the candidate on the other side of the aisle either, so don't think I'm stumping for him.
The "maverick" has been gelded, the "change we can believe in" has morphed into politics as usual.

I feel again, like I have in so many previous elections that we are being manipulated and steered in the direction that whoever is pulling the strings want us to go. I feel like there this is all a facade to make us believe that we are actually making a choice here.

The corporations pull the strings, the candidates dance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 08/24/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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The first objective of any campaign is to WIN. And when running a campaign, certain practical considerations become of paramount importance. Obama's choice of Biden as a running mate will significantly improve his chances for victory in the Fall. This seems to be the consensus and I happen to agree with it. Biden brings a long resume of foreign policy experience as well as an ability to hammer the opposition hard when warranted. Biden will not suffer fools lightly and when the Republicans attempt to slime or distort, he will rub their noses in it in ways that will not be soon forgotten,

On the other side of the fence, McCain will be doing essentially the same thing -- he'll probably end up picking that flip/flopper Romney (who he despises) because he has a "youthful appearance" and presumably has a better understanding or grasp of economics.

When Obama is elected as our 44th president, I trust him to keep his word and to be a genuine agent of much needed change in Washington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 08/24/2008
- mike53 I'm a Fan of mike53 8 fans permalink

By "keep his word" I assume you mean he will return to the extreme left. I tend to agree with you. He just needs to fool enough people into thinking he is something he is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/24/2008

Your first sentence is what I am talking about: the "win at any cost" philosophy.

I agree that everything has changed to a "win at any cost" mindset, doesn't mean I have to like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/24/2008
- MsDoc I'm a Fan of MsDoc 49 fans permalink

It's a conundrum in many ways, but I finally solved to my own satisfaction this way:

Senator O'bama has a vision for this country with which I totally agree. I don't like what we appear to have become. The disgusting mess in the Justice Department was the last straw for me.

Senator Biden brings the experience of 30+ years in the Senate and vast knowledge of things that have deep roots. O'bama needs all the help he can get if he hopes to move our country to a better place and Sen. Biden knows where these roots are and, hopefully, has some thoughts on how to eradicaate them. He knows the streengths and the weaknesses of the people involved and O'bama will need to know these things.

And finally, Joe Biden is, by even his opponents comments, an honest man. There is a LOT to say for that given what we have barely survived in the last eight years.

OH... and is that Oregon or New Jersey?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 08/24/2008

I liked your answer, well thought out and I appreciate that.

As to your question: OR or NJ - I've actually been having a bit of fun with that one, most guess Mass. There are actually 11 places in the US with that name. I get the rare comment attacking my choice of residence so when they start with the "oh I would be pissed if I lived in Medford" I ask them "where is Medford".

They never reply. I suppose I'll keep them guessing. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/24/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 48 fans permalink

It takes realism to win elections. Third party supporters need to get with the program. Anyone who can't see the blatant differences between the D*emocrats and R*epublicans needs to do some serious study of the issues and the men. B*iden is a working class guy who actually has been in the Senate for decades without any personal enrichment. He's got a net asset of around $150,000. If you want 4 more years of G*W*B and think that's best for this country, you can choose to whine and sit this election out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 08/24/2008

For sure this is true of McCain, whose entire campaign is run by lobbyists, and is largely funded by corporatists who can afford $2,000 at a pop.

As for O, this remains to be seen. Current evidence disputes your contention. He has not accepted lobbyists' funds, nor PAC money, which is merely laundered corporate money, funneled through other candidates. He has more than 2 million small contributors.

So if your bone of contention is to avoid a corporate candidate, you must give O a chance, because with McCain, he's already bought and paid for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 08/24/2008

Come on, this philosophy has been disproven. BOTH take PLENTY of corporate money.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_overstatement.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/24/2008

Anyone that is truly still undecided at this point should just stay home and not vote. Every election cycle we go through this same wishy-washy BS. If your child was drowning in a pool would you debate on whether to jump in and save him, or wait and see if he can save his/her self? All of these candidates have been on the campaign trail for the last 2 years. Are you type people just incapable of making decisions, or are you just that deprived of attention?
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with making thoughtfull decisions, but you guys always seem to take it to the nth degree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 08/24/2008

I've learned to never make an early choice. October is just fine for a time to make a final decision. I've lived through having a candidate (that I was VERY wrapped up with) in 1968 not making it to the election. A candidate have something come up in his ticket that shattered it (which is why everyone "vetts" now) in 1972 for examples.

I've learned not to "jump on a bandwagon" but to have some caution in my choices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 08/24/2008

Biden Said Ob-a-ma Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'­" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement.­" (ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 08/24/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 48 fans permalink

Now let's play the R*omney tape of him saying M*Cain is unfit to be president of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 08/24/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

Easy for Biden to say, "At that time, the campaign was just beginning. I realize now that I underestimated Barack. He has shown us all what a great candidate he is, and his trip to Europe and the Middle East showed how he can bring people together abroad as well, and earn America's respect in the world again."

Something like that. If that's the worst primary criticism they've got....

Easy..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 08/24/2008
- SethBLiNK I'm a Fan of SethBLiNK 37 fans permalink

I saw Obama speak in Jefferson, Iowa on New Years Eve and a Biden supporter asked Obama why he should vote for him, rather that Edwards, if Biden did not achieve viability. Obama started his answer with deep praise for Biden as a man and as a Senator, followed up with milder praise for Edwards and then drew out the differences in their stances. The point is, Obama never had anything negative to say about Biden. He took some umbrage at being called the first mainstream African American candidate (citing others who had come before) but later defended what he felt was the sentiment behind the remark. They will be hard pressed to find anything even slightly negative Obama has said about Biden, and this will be about it the other way around.

McCain and Romney on the other hand... oh boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 08/24/2008
- JohnIII I'm a Fan of JohnIII 8 fans permalink

I think Biden overshadows Obama. I'm not sure that is a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 08/24/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

No that tells you Obama is not ready for the Job - Biden is -unfortunately he is not at the top of the ticket and Obams just want to use him for his on policitical reason!!!! he wants to be a ROCK STAR and go back and tell his friends I AM THE MAN - you people are getting rap up in this mess - he talks the talk but have not walk the walk - Biden will have to do it for him. Or maybe is mean wife Michelle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/24/2008
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You are projecting your own made-up judgments (or maybe desires) on Obama.

If he hasn't been elected as POTUS yet, how do you know if he could walk the walk?
Personal attacks on his wife? How could you possibly know if she is nice or mean?

Your post seems pretty silly to me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 08/24/2008

76st in a class of 85.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 08/24/2008
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Are you sure you want to discuss academic achievement among the candidates?

Your man McCain got in to the Naval Academy on the "I'm an admiral's son" affirmative action program. He went on to graduate 894th out of a class of 899.

And then there's Obama. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 08/24/2008
- deanfv I'm a Fan of deanfv 13 fans permalink

Affirmative action never helped obama? Graduating from the Naval Academy puts JM in the top 5% of all graduates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 08/24/2008

Isn't Biden the guy who advocates dividing up Iraq into four or five countries based his idea of some sort of ethnic partitioning? Does Biden still want to send Iran $200 Million with no strings attached as he proposed in the senate? Biden also forcefully supported the invasion of Iraq the same as Clinton was vilified for in the primaries?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 08/24/2008

Kurds + Shia + Sunni = 3

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 08/24/2008
- SethBLiNK I'm a Fan of SethBLiNK 37 fans permalink

He did support the invasion, which is why neither he nor Hillary are at the top of the ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 08/24/2008
- Avembe I'm a Fan of Avembe 5 fans permalink

OBAMA/SBELIUS but since he made a different choice...
i have a big problem with some statements made about Obama...
But what's sure is that obama is my choice
ANYWAY!!!!!!!
10 000 000 000 000 000 000 in debt
No matter what people think of Obama i just want to remind that this debt amount is thanks to
the Republican­s!!!!!!!!!­!!
And once again it's time to definitely STOP this ...MADNESS­!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 08/24/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

I am a Democratic - but will vote Republican this time around - Republicans did not make this mess alone - you have people like Obama not voting - yes or no and then you have Democratic vote alone with the Republicans do dont put all this on Bush!!! I want you to tell me what do you
think is going to happen when we have a trainee in the white house!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/24/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

Please tell me there's two too many sets of zeros in that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 08/24/2008

I just found this, it's hilarious.

OBAMA/BIDEN 08 "HOPE AND HAIR PLUGS"

They even have t-shirts!

http://skreened.com/obamabiden/obama-biden-08-hope-and-hairplugs-t-shirt#

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 08/24/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Not funny at all. Check your plug-ins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/24/2008

you seem to be a hairstylist, maybe Rudy will ressurrect his bionic comb-over for you at the convention

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 08/24/2008

Can I just have the money John Edwards spends on his haircuts instead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 08/24/2008

Why did Biden only get Hair Plugs for the front of his bald head? Why not cover the whole head with the silver doll hair?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 AM on 08/24/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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Oh, here come the serious criticisms of Joe Biden from the Right's brain trust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 08/24/2008

That is not a serious criticism, it's a question. Why bother only getting hair plugs for the front of your head? If you are that vain, why not cover the whole head?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 08/24/2008
- lucky54 I'm a Fan of lucky54 2 fans permalink

For the same reason why your candidate doesn't brush his dentures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 08/24/2008

you need some work on your sharp retorts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/24/2008
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He's got a valid point, though. I am astonished that a multi-millionaire many times over has the teeth of Jed Clampett. I've watched my dental insurance dwindle down from 100% to 50%, yet I still get cleanings several times a year, as do my sons. We live in an era with implants and veneers. Old, ugly, yellow teeth on a Presidential candidate shows us just one more reason why he is out of touch with the health care system. I'll bet he doesn't know squat about the importance of not only oral hygiene but the industry's problems--specially when viewed through the prism of health care over all-- and Americans' inability to procure dental care, especially children. If children have cavities and infections that go unchecked, it could eventually result in heart damage.
Don't worry about Joe Biden's hair; his brain underneath is far sharper than that of any of you dim-witted neocons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/24/2008
- lhaz I'm a Fan of lhaz 2 fans permalink

Pundits and other Obama supporters seem to be making much of Joe Biden's "roots"--being from working class Pennsylvania. He moved from there when he was 10. So the implication is where one lives from the age of 10 and under is where their "roots" are formed. Interesting---I guess that means that Obama's roots were formed in Indonesia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 08/24/2008
- lucky54 I'm a Fan of lucky54 2 fans permalink

And from what you said looks like you have no roots at all ... poor baby:(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/24/2008

But Obama was born in Hawaii, so his roots are in Hawaii.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/24/2008
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Oh and Hillary's "roots" are from Scranton, Arkansas, New York - and a few other places I've since forgotten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/24/2008
- MsDoc I'm a Fan of MsDoc 49 fans permalink

Psychological research tell us that our true "roots" are formed very early on. Our memories from childhood ( long term memory ) are firmly embeded, while short term memory, as the name implies, is transitory. It's where we get our initial value systems and these remain unless we strongly over-ride them.

If you don't believe me, try this little experiment. ( No cheating ) Sit down in a quiet place ( no distractions ) and draw a rough floor plan of the first place you ever lived.

On the other side of the paper, write down what you had for dinner a week ago last Tuesday.

I use this to demonstrate to teachers how children learn... never fails unless someone cheats

-AMD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 08/24/2008

Well of course it would never fail! You are comparing repetitive memories with a one time memory and the one time memory is of little consequence.

I think O's roots and mine are very much the same in regard to moving around quite a bit (Air Force brat).

My intital value system was not a product of where I lived, it is a product of who I lived with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/24/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 48 fans permalink

Your candidate M*Cain wasn't born in the USA so his roots are throughly foreign. He was naturalized through an act of Congress years after his birth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 08/24/2008

Plugs? Ooooooooh Snap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 08/24/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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Biden's "pit bull" campaign style will go a long way in defusing the McCain camp's negative, swiftboat-like campaign strategy. It is high time that McCain's and the Republican Party's negatives rise to where they belong -- the stratosphere. It will also help to diminish the alarming negative bias of the mainstream media which Frank Rich reported in his excellent NY Times editorial of today, "Last Call for Change We Can Believe In".

Over a six week period of TV news reports this summer, Obama’s coverage was 28 percent positive, 72 percent negative. (For McCain, the split was 43/57. And this despite numerous gaffes and lies that shouldn't escape rigorous public scrutiny by the press.)

The MSM's bias against the Democrats is a real problem that needs to be addressed and made "public". Often the MSM appears to be little more than a political tool of the Right. It is clearly not fair and only serves to stilt or constrain the impetus for much needed change within our society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 08/24/2008
- notepad2 I'm a Fan of notepad2 3 fans permalink

Yup. Biden is brilliant in foreign affairs. Right after the 9/11 attacks, he suggested we give Iran (Persians) 200 million dollars, no strings attached, to prove we mean no harm to Arabs.

http://www.tnr.com/columnists/story.html?id=ba9b09bb-ed01-4582-b6ec-444834c9df73&k=93697

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 08/24/2008
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i am glad someone brought this up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 08/24/2008

Except the Persians aren't Arabs. This almost sounds like one of Bush's or McCain's gaffes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 08/24/2008

Sounds a bit like Biden might know something that you don't know. Just sayin'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 08/24/2008
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I like Biden.

Which Kitchen table out of the seven kitchens John McCain owns will John McCain eat at?

How about the Keating Five? What about John McCain cheating on Cindy McCain with that woman on his 2000 campaign bus? How about John McCain protecting his friend Reed from the Indian casino ripp off affair? John McCain has a lot questions to answer. Let the questioning begin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 08/24/2008

The DNC is doing their best to lose this campaign. I don't understand why the democrats are so willing to abandon their base. Biden is going to continue the war on drugs. He was also one of the original proponents and architects of FISA. His comments during the primary about Obama has given the McCain campaign fuel to attack the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. And he really does not bring any real boost to battleground states. Those people that are on the "other side" are not as willing to rationalize this pick like the current Obama supporters. Unfortunately the current state of politics has no room for this type of rationalization.

And No, I am not a puma, republican or any other type of fanatical - I just vote on the issues. That being said, I am not an Obama supporter because I feel that the policies further diminish the freedoms and civil liberties of Americans. And unlike Biden, I am also not a supporter of the war on drugs. Further, Obama has made some serious shifts in policy, such as FISA and NAFTA, that raise questions about his overall character and leadership. And now that there is a time line for Iraq, I fail to identify the significant differences between the McCain and Obama ticket? I know that many of you will just get angry and throw poop like monkeys, but these are serious questions that are not being answered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 08/24/2008

Totally agree with your points. The DNC is doing everything they possible can to lose this election and then some. If the base wanted Biden to begin with he wouldn't have been out so early in the primaries. It isn't that people don't like him, they do but he is just not right for this office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 08/24/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 69 fans permalink
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"he is just not right for this office."

Who is right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/24/2008

If picking the Veep were just a matter of picking whoever came second in the primaries, then we'd have a totally different political landscape, wouldn't we? No speculation about Bayh, Kaine, Nunn, Sebelius, Clark, Warner... or for that matter Pawlenty, Portman, Jindal, Crist...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 08/24/2008
- nowRnever I'm a Fan of nowRnever 2 fans permalink

"If the base wanted Biden to begin with he wouldn't have been out so early in the primaries.­"


Silly me, I didn't realize the primaries were about choosing a vice presidential running mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 08/24/2008
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actually I don't think he was right for the POTUS but I think as a VPOTUS he'll kick some serious ass.
HIm and Barack complement each other perfectly - way more than Hillary, Byah, even Richardson and Seleibus (sp?) is too unknown as is Kaine.
I called it from the getgo and I'm happy to see that my intuition was as correct as Obama's

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 08/24/2008
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Seems you're certain of your beliefs, your issues, and who you'll vote for, so what's the point of your comment?
Just curious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 08/24/2008

I have no idea who I will vote for. What did you assume?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 08/24/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 69 fans permalink
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"I fail to identify the significant differences between the McCain and Obama ticket?"

Nobody's going to throw poop at you - apparently you're sitting in it now. I suspect there is a reason for the extra "L" in your name, but when you say there's no significant difference between the two - you have lost any credibility you ever had.

Do you even read that stuff before posting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 08/24/2008

Too ironic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 08/24/2008
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Manic all day Does this explain it all or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 08/24/2008
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You "fail to see the significant difference between the McCain and Obama ticket"? Are you serious? The differences couldn't be any more stark...To argue otherwise is a waste of time and effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 08/24/2008

manicallday, I could have told you the kind of response you would receive for questioning The Holy Grail. I also do not believe in the war on drugs, and Joe Biden touting the creation of the drug czar, as an accomplishment in his resume, I find ludicrous. Also, the either/or paradigm of the partisan supporters prevents them from actually considering serious questions. I remember women Obama supporters who wanted Chuck Hagel on the ticket. I am well aware of his anti-Iraq-war conversion, but did they even look at his positions on other issues, such as a woman's reproductive rights? I think not.This is troubling because for the partisans of either party, thoughtful consideration is not an option. Strangely, the Democrats are revealing themselves to be as intolerant as the Republicans, as I'm sure you have already observed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 08/24/2008
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