Biden: The Good, Great, Bad and Ugly

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Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if difficult to describe, attribute of likability.

At the same time, the five-term Delaware Senator carries some baggage, including two alleged incidents of plagiarism; an episode of resume inflation; a tendency to shoot from the mouth - only sometimes on target; and the dubious distinction of becoming the first national party nominee with known hair plugs.

That said, the Biden choice is likely to be far less consequential to the outcome on Election Day than the current flurry of commentary suggests. Although political analysts and political scientists have explored the importance of vice presidential picks, "the quantitative research finds nothing," notes MIT political scientist Charles Stewart III. "You can't even really say that there's a 'first do no harm' principle involved, since there are plenty of examples of 'problematic' vice presidential choices, running from Johnson (alienated Kennedy's core) to Bush I (alienated Reagan's core) to Quayle (lightweight boy blunder)."

With that caveat, Stewart went on to remark, "it's clear that the Obama campaign felt they needed a forceful voice in foreign policy, with Georgia rekindling thoughts of a new cold war, and a bulldog on working class issues. Expect a lot of foreign policy pronouncement with Altoona, Pa. on the dateline."

Biden was born in Scranton -- just the kind of hard-scrabble, working class community found all over Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio where Obama most needs to improve his margins. When Biden was 10, he moved to Delaware, where his father sold cars. Like many Irish pols, he does not mince words when on the attack:

"This guy is brain dead," Biden declared about President Bush while campaigning in July in Iowa. "This is a guy who is on the balls of his heels, here's a guy who is lower off in the polls than any president in modern history."

Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, was ecstatic: "Solid choice, great working-class roots."

The McCain campaign, however, immediately leapt on Biden's willingness to criticize adversaries and his occasional tendency to throw caution to the winds.

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In an ad put up on Saturday, McCain shows Biden on July 19, 2007 on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is [Obama] he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement."

In addition, the McCain web site quotes Biden on the August 7, 2007 Diane Rehm show, "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

It's doubtful, however, that Biden's campaign critiques of Obama will be held against him: every time a nominee has chosen a primary opponent to join the ticket (Reagan-Bush, Kerry-Edwards), the opposition has tried to use attacks made in the heat of campaigning, almost always to little effect.

In addition, McCain now appears to be leaning toward Mitt Romney as his VP pick and, if he does make that choice, there are numerous Romney quotes about McCain that will come back to haunt him.

Many of the people interviewed about the Biden choice - Republicans, Democrats and political scientists - cited the conflict between the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and Russia, and the potential for a conflagration overseas, as a crucial factor in Obama's choice of a running mate with extensive knowledge of international affairs.

Republicans are countering by suggesting that Biden's knowledge of foreign policy focuses attention on Obama's weakness in this area:

"It's a good pick for Obama, for he clearly realizes, that more and more voters don't see him with the experience and skills to handle the most important part of the Presidency-foreign policy," said Republican National Committeeman Ron Kaufman. "His problem is folks vote for a President not the VP."

Republican media maven Alex Castellanos started gently: "Good solid political choice," he said, before sticking in the knife: "The grey hair, maturity and foreign policy credentials help, of course, balancing Obama's Benjamin Button-like campaign, where he has grown more innocent and inexperienced before our eyes. It is a good safe establishment choice, much like Dean Smith at Chapel Hill running the 4-corners offense. It's a great way to protect a 20 point lead. The problem is Obama doesn't have a 20 point lead."

Some of the immediate media commentary elaborated on similar themes, a development the McCain campaign was quick to pick up on and send out in emails:

"The Associated Press's Ron Fournier: 'The Candidate Of Change Went With The Status Quo... He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate -- the ultimate insider -- rather than a candidate from outside Washington.' ABC's Jake Tapper: 'Obama is running on the slogan 'Change we can believe in,' but the freshman senator selected as his running mate a six-term senate institution, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware'."

No slouches, the Obama campaign beat back the McCain folks in the email wars:

"Des Moines Register (David Yepsen): 'It's a choice that should help Obama in Iowa, a battleground state...Picking Biden is a solid choice that adds political savvy, national security experience and a pit bull campaigner to Obama's ticket.' Washington Post (Dan Balz): 'Still, Biden brings far more to the ticket than foreign policy experience. He has a powerful personal story... Biden's record in the area of crime and the judiciary is another asset Democrats can point to that will go beyond his foreign policy credentials.'

Democratic strategist Jim Jordan told the Huffington Post that Biden is:

"The best possible pick. Not only does he, of course, bring the right resume to the team with respect to foreign and military affairs and crime [Biden also served as chair of the Judiciary Committee], but he's got the perfect demeanor and skill set. He's aggressive and, despite his affability, he's got a commendable mean streak. Which is a nice and necessary change after the weak sisters [Lieberman and Edwards] picked the past two cycles. Not just [likely GOP VP picks] Romney or Pawlenty, but McCain, too, will just get their lunches handed to them."

Another Democrat, Tom King, argued to the Huffington Post that Biden not only "helps put away Pennsylvania, he might help [because as a longtime backer of Israel, he has strong Jewish support] in Florida. He also attacks well without being mean-spirited. The downside is that he's not change. He helps with foreign policy, but Obama still has to measure up."

In the initial surge of Biden commentary, there has been very little reference to early problems that derailed his 1988 presidential bid: his failure to attribute a long section of a campaign speech that year to its actual author, Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labor Party and his failure to disclose in a law school paper that he had used 5 pages of material '' from a published law review article without quotation or attribution'' according to a Syracuse law school faculty report, dated Dec. 1, 1965. The New York Times detailed the incident in a story on September 18, 1987.

Biden's plagiarism difficulties during the 1987-88 campaign were compounded by disclosures that on the stump, he had exaggerated his academic credentials.

On September 21, 1987, he acknowledged that an earlier claim - that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his law school class and that he ''graduated with three degrees from college'' - were not true. In fact, he was 76th in a class of 85, and he graduated college with one degree in a combined major of political science and history.

One of the most insightful analyses of the pros and cons of Biden was posted by Hillary Clinton's top strategist and communications director Howard Wolfson. He wrote:

"The fighting in Georgia underscored the need to bring some foreign policy experience to the ticket.....It's critical that the veep be willing and able to take an axe or at least an ice pick to the presidential candidate of the other party....Senator Obama also needs to improve his performance with lunch bucket and working class Democrats. Biden has spent his career appealing to those voters....The Obama campaign clearly made the decision that they did not need their veep pick to reinforce their change message, and that was a smart move. Obama brings plenty of change and excitement on his own."

Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
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- LORISNJ I'm a Fan of LORISNJ 37 fans permalink
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I just saw on Fox News (Geraldo's show) where they aired an upcoming McClueless ad that asks the question why didn't OB pick Hill*ary...then they show 3 or 4 snippets of Hil*lary trash talking about OB then they say that OB must be afraid of the truth.

Thanks HRC,

The ad is just beginning. It won't work but still.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 08/24/2008

Yes, apparently only HRC did it during the primary. Oh, no she wasn't the only one Biden himself did it as well. But I guess we will all have selective memories now as usual. Welcome to politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 08/24/2008
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No, but HRC went much longer and has 100 times the material any other primary contender did, and obviously much more heated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 08/24/2008
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Biden didn't say the nasty things that HIllary said about Barack, And he just said that Obama doesn't have the experience as of right now...well that was what...12 months ago??? I think Obama has more than earned his place as the nominee - and with Biden behind him now he's got that experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 08/24/2008

It's silly. Clinton can just come back and attack McCain on this ad and reiterate her belief that Obama is a million miles more competent than McCain, and it'll make McCain look silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 08/24/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 49 fans permalink

But will she do it? Indications are that she actually wants the nominee of her party to lose so she can return in 4 years and try once again to win a nomination she'll never get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/24/2008
- caywen I'm a Fan of caywen 7 fans permalink

"Barack America"

That's one of Joe's slipups that the repubs aren't likely to jump on. Maybe it was freudian, but damn is it freudian in a great way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 08/24/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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And kinda fitting - wouldn't you say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 08/24/2008
- JLee I'm a Fan of JLee 4 fans permalink

YES TO MITTENS! It will be so satisfying to see Biden shredding him to bits, eating him for lunch, then picking his teeth with some Massachusetts patrician bones in the VP debate. Mitt "my sons are serving the country by supporting my campaign" Romney versus Joe Biden, whose son is deploying to Iraq? Delicious. Add in the fact that Romney comes across as polished and soulless while Biden has a personality as big as his mouth, and the fact that the Romney has no personal chemistry with McCain, plus the possibility of turning off hard-core evangelicals... I can just about taste the failure of that ticket. Which is why I'm betting on Pawlenty, personally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 08/24/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Hey, I was considering going down to Bosley's to see what they could do about a bald spot at the top.
I decided to let my hair grow and now it doesn't look so bad(my wife says it looks kind of cool).
Chicks get face lifts, guys get hair transplants; what's wrong with that ?
We all want to look our best for as long as posible.
Gotta have pride in the way you look.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 08/24/2008
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grow up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 08/24/2008
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Hair plugs or not, Joe Biden looked mighty fine bounding onto that stage today like a man half his age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 08/24/2008
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He sure did, excited like a kid too. He has hair plugs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 08/24/2008
- nowRnever I'm a Fan of nowRnever 2 fans permalink

Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool too Dix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 08/24/2008
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Edsall is out to lunch on several points:
The campaign plagiarism charge was led by an aide from a rival campaign. It was not a long section of the speech but a closing comment which he had used on many occasions -- with attribution. But this one time, after travel complications ( he travels by commercial airlines not private jet) he neglected to attribute the quote. Reporters had heard other attributed versions of the speech and thought nothing of it. The Dukakis aide leaned hard on it and got attention--weeks later.

!965 Plagiarism in college? Well, all right then. I have read a statement by one of the professors that it was a case of citing a source once and not footnoting it on subsequent quotes. An error of inexperience. The quotes were presented as just that" quotes.

Hair plugs? Seriously, is that all you've got? Well as far as I can see, and I've had a few opportunities to see under spotlights and up close, he has male pattern baldness. I'm not sure why you wouldn't have that big center bald spot filled in while you were at it. But, his sons' hair is beginning to thin in the same way. And this is relevant because????

Jeez, Edsall, I can't imagine why you would repeat this stuff, except to show how inane it is.
Good job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 08/24/2008
- RFBorjal I'm a Fan of RFBorjal 5 fans permalink

I admire the excellent realpolitik strategy of the Obama campaign. First, ensure the taking of power with the selection of Biden as the running mate. Second, once in power, roll out the change Americans can believe in.

Those who criticize the selection of Biden as "choosing the status quo" misunderstand the sequence of effecting change. Nobody can effect change without first taking the power to do so. To be able to revolutionize things, one must first win the revolution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 08/24/2008
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BRAVO RF...well said.
Thank you. It's so sad when people fail to understand the most simple of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 08/24/2008
- Paul Peete - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Paul Peete 403 fans permalink

Looks like someone is jealous of hair, even if they are plugged in. None of these candidates in either parties are wart free and the kerfuffle made about Biden will soon disolve with the poll numbers from this week. BO thought long and hard and made a great choice in a man who is an inside the beltway pro who can help dismantle the who damn den of theives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 08/24/2008

I am puzzled. I thought Obama was the anti old Washington politician, and yet he picks someone who has been there longer than many college students, And who thinks McCain is a great guy, one he would run with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 08/24/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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Biden is the best pick this side of Wesley Clark who was left to twist in the wind after stating facts.He was effective, however, in piercing the POW shield.

Joe's a great choice. Who did you want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 08/24/2008
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BTW AZ - what Biden SAID was that he could run with or AGAINST him...because he is a good guy...they are friends. It even SAYS that on McNumbnut's ad - we saw it last nite and though wait a minute...it says RIGHT there in his own ad what Biden said. So, of course people will only hear the first part because most of them...(including you) have the attention span of a flea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/24/2008
- mounthood I'm a Fan of mounthood 5 fans permalink

'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

This is great advice from Christ. But in US politics it seems those with the most sins cast the most stones.

Opponent-bashing may work for a while, but ultimately one must convince the electorate of one's own desirable qualities. Constant bashing raises the suspicion that there is no there there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 08/24/2008

I don't know much (yet) about Joe Biden, but so far, he seems like a good choice for VP. He supported Anita Hill during the painful Clarence Thomas hearing. He gave a palpable excuse for his Iraq war vote that implied an admission of wrong. He speaks with the confidence and assurance one likes to hear in a leader. Right now I'm just happy to see that Obama didn't bow to intense pressure from the media, the republicans, and Hillary supporters to put Hillary on the ticket. That would have been a BIG mistake and a sure sign of weakness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 08/24/2008
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A-MEN to that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 08/24/2008
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double amen!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 08/24/2008
- gevan I'm a Fan of gevan 19 fans permalink

There is that thought going around that McCain will pick Joe Liebermann to offset HIS own foreign policy weaknesses. (whisper in ear, please)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 08/24/2008

" a tendency to shoot from the mouth" OH, I thought we were talking about Hillary...Joe Biden is a class act.. Notice, the opposition are already to making negative comment about him , trying to quell the enthusiasm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/24/2008
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If the troops start to come back from Iraq, the campaign will heavily focus on economy, recession and the biggest topic then will be China: trade, jobs, human rights, Tibet... Mr. Biden is the only one in Obama and McCain's lists that has some experience in dealing with China. The way the administration deals with China in the next few years will be deciding our wallet issues.
http://www.chinationreport.com/JoeBiden.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 08/24/2008
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Know what? I think Joe should go ahead and shave his head. I think he'd look pretty good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/24/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 236 fans permalink
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I like it like it is....a trim around the edges, maybe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 08/24/2008
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yeah...definitely not shaved, but trimmed in the back and the sides. he can still get away with the backcombover if he does that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 08/24/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

So Georgia attacks South Ossetia and Biden wants to give Georgia a billion dollars in aid.

Nothing for South Ossetia.

Meanwhile Biden doesn't think you should be able to clear your debts with bankruptcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 08/24/2008

Why give any money to a region that wants to break away from OUR ALLY,GEORGIA?? Oh, I guess you were for THE SOUTH in the civil war,too?? How much for THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA???? What a "low-information" comment!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/24/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 35 fans permalink
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I thought you were for free elections and democracy ?

Ossetia doesn't want to be part of Georgia anymore than the Shities , the Sunnis and the Kurds want to be a country that the British formed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 08/24/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

read what Wesley Clark has to say:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/russian-forces-begin-pull_n_120594.html?show_comment_id=14882517#comment_14882517

Have you even looked up the History of Ossetia?

You know that Stalin grouped it with Georgia?

Did you know that Ossetia proclaimed it's independence at the same time as Georgia when the USSR broke up?

You do know that Georgia agreed to a cease fire before attacking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 08/24/2008

It is impossible to give aid to South Ossetia. For a start, it's not even a nation state, and secondly it's run by a Russian puppet government. Let's just give $1 billion in aid to Russia, why don't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 08/24/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

you haven;t researched Ossetia's history have you?

You just repeat the talking points programmed into you by the MSM.

You way lead to madness and endless war,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 08/24/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 8 fans permalink

I love how the Obamabot kool-aid drinkers rationalize the choice of pro-war Joey Hairplugs, when their big rationale against Hillary was her vote for the very same war. Joey Hairplugs must be removed at the convention and Obama FORCED to put Hillary on the ticket. Either that or Obama must be politically crippled so badly he has np chance to win the election. Go PUMA go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 08/24/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 69 fans permalink
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In the end, Hillary may have lost because of supporters just like you. After the incredible pressure to throw the nomination for her, the superdelegates and the rules committee finally held firm and voted against her and for Obama.

She lost on points. And then you folks helped her lose on style.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/24/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 8 fans permalink

Hillary will win in 2012. If Mr. Smug and Mr. Plugs end up running this year, it is game over. Say hello to President McCain and Veep Romney. The DNC is the last chance to make this fiasco right. Get Hillary as veep and all is not lost!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 08/24/2008

the rules committee held firm and voted against the people of Michigan and Florida

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 08/24/2008

PUMA... well, to me that acronym is a byword for not caring about Election 2008. Let me say this: it demeans you and Clinton's candidacy for you to say that - against her very wishes - you would vote for McCain. McCain is against everything Clinton stands for on so many things; McCain is against women's right to choose, and he is against giving more working Americans access to affordable healthcare.

The only way that Obama will have "no chance to win the election" is if people like you feel this election is so meaningless that you'd like to vote for McCain, with his admiration of Roberts and Alito, his belief that women shouldn't be given the right to choose, his belief that we should militarily attack any state or group that is opposed to us. America can't afford your petulance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 08/24/2008

Wow! You sure do have a way with words; not to mention a very finely honed manner of crafting well-reasoned arguments.

"Obamabot kool-aid drinkers", "Joey Hairplugs",

"Obama FORCED ...",

"Obama must be politically crippled" - please say how!

"Go PUMA go" - as in don't go away mad just go away?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 08/24/2008
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