Biden: The Good, Great, Bad and Ugly

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Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if difficult to describe, attribute of likability.

At the same time, the five-term Delaware Senator carries some baggage, including two alleged incidents of plagiarism; an episode of resume inflation; a tendency to shoot from the mouth - only sometimes on target; and the dubious distinction of becoming the first national party nominee with known hair plugs.

That said, the Biden choice is likely to be far less consequential to the outcome on Election Day than the current flurry of commentary suggests. Although political analysts and political scientists have explored the importance of vice presidential picks, "the quantitative research finds nothing," notes MIT political scientist Charles Stewart III. "You can't even really say that there's a 'first do no harm' principle involved, since there are plenty of examples of 'problematic' vice presidential choices, running from Johnson (alienated Kennedy's core) to Bush I (alienated Reagan's core) to Quayle (lightweight boy blunder)."

With that caveat, Stewart went on to remark, "it's clear that the Obama campaign felt they needed a forceful voice in foreign policy, with Georgia rekindling thoughts of a new cold war, and a bulldog on working class issues. Expect a lot of foreign policy pronouncement with Altoona, Pa. on the dateline."

Biden was born in Scranton -- just the kind of hard-scrabble, working class community found all over Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio where Obama most needs to improve his margins. When Biden was 10, he moved to Delaware, where his father sold cars. Like many Irish pols, he does not mince words when on the attack:

"This guy is brain dead," Biden declared about President Bush while campaigning in July in Iowa. "This is a guy who is on the balls of his heels, here's a guy who is lower off in the polls than any president in modern history."

Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, was ecstatic: "Solid choice, great working-class roots."

The McCain campaign, however, immediately leapt on Biden's willingness to criticize adversaries and his occasional tendency to throw caution to the winds.

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In an ad put up on Saturday, McCain shows Biden on July 19, 2007 on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is [Obama] he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement."

In addition, the McCain web site quotes Biden on the August 7, 2007 Diane Rehm show, "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

It's doubtful, however, that Biden's campaign critiques of Obama will be held against him: every time a nominee has chosen a primary opponent to join the ticket (Reagan-Bush, Kerry-Edwards), the opposition has tried to use attacks made in the heat of campaigning, almost always to little effect.

In addition, McCain now appears to be leaning toward Mitt Romney as his VP pick and, if he does make that choice, there are numerous Romney quotes about McCain that will come back to haunt him.

Many of the people interviewed about the Biden choice - Republicans, Democrats and political scientists - cited the conflict between the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and Russia, and the potential for a conflagration overseas, as a crucial factor in Obama's choice of a running mate with extensive knowledge of international affairs.

Republicans are countering by suggesting that Biden's knowledge of foreign policy focuses attention on Obama's weakness in this area:

"It's a good pick for Obama, for he clearly realizes, that more and more voters don't see him with the experience and skills to handle the most important part of the Presidency-foreign policy," said Republican National Committeeman Ron Kaufman. "His problem is folks vote for a President not the VP."

Republican media maven Alex Castellanos started gently: "Good solid political choice," he said, before sticking in the knife: "The grey hair, maturity and foreign policy credentials help, of course, balancing Obama's Benjamin Button-like campaign, where he has grown more innocent and inexperienced before our eyes. It is a good safe establishment choice, much like Dean Smith at Chapel Hill running the 4-corners offense. It's a great way to protect a 20 point lead. The problem is Obama doesn't have a 20 point lead."

Some of the immediate media commentary elaborated on similar themes, a development the McCain campaign was quick to pick up on and send out in emails:

"The Associated Press's Ron Fournier: 'The Candidate Of Change Went With The Status Quo... He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate -- the ultimate insider -- rather than a candidate from outside Washington.' ABC's Jake Tapper: 'Obama is running on the slogan 'Change we can believe in,' but the freshman senator selected as his running mate a six-term senate institution, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware'."

No slouches, the Obama campaign beat back the McCain folks in the email wars:

"Des Moines Register (David Yepsen): 'It's a choice that should help Obama in Iowa, a battleground state...Picking Biden is a solid choice that adds political savvy, national security experience and a pit bull campaigner to Obama's ticket.' Washington Post (Dan Balz): 'Still, Biden brings far more to the ticket than foreign policy experience. He has a powerful personal story... Biden's record in the area of crime and the judiciary is another asset Democrats can point to that will go beyond his foreign policy credentials.'

Democratic strategist Jim Jordan told the Huffington Post that Biden is:

"The best possible pick. Not only does he, of course, bring the right resume to the team with respect to foreign and military affairs and crime [Biden also served as chair of the Judiciary Committee], but he's got the perfect demeanor and skill set. He's aggressive and, despite his affability, he's got a commendable mean streak. Which is a nice and necessary change after the weak sisters [Lieberman and Edwards] picked the past two cycles. Not just [likely GOP VP picks] Romney or Pawlenty, but McCain, too, will just get their lunches handed to them."

Another Democrat, Tom King, argued to the Huffington Post that Biden not only "helps put away Pennsylvania, he might help [because as a longtime backer of Israel, he has strong Jewish support] in Florida. He also attacks well without being mean-spirited. The downside is that he's not change. He helps with foreign policy, but Obama still has to measure up."

In the initial surge of Biden commentary, there has been very little reference to early problems that derailed his 1988 presidential bid: his failure to attribute a long section of a campaign speech that year to its actual author, Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labor Party and his failure to disclose in a law school paper that he had used 5 pages of material '' from a published law review article without quotation or attribution'' according to a Syracuse law school faculty report, dated Dec. 1, 1965. The New York Times detailed the incident in a story on September 18, 1987.

Biden's plagiarism difficulties during the 1987-88 campaign were compounded by disclosures that on the stump, he had exaggerated his academic credentials.

On September 21, 1987, he acknowledged that an earlier claim - that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his law school class and that he ''graduated with three degrees from college'' - were not true. In fact, he was 76th in a class of 85, and he graduated college with one degree in a combined major of political science and history.

One of the most insightful analyses of the pros and cons of Biden was posted by Hillary Clinton's top strategist and communications director Howard Wolfson. He wrote:

"The fighting in Georgia underscored the need to bring some foreign policy experience to the ticket.....It's critical that the veep be willing and able to take an axe or at least an ice pick to the presidential candidate of the other party....Senator Obama also needs to improve his performance with lunch bucket and working class Democrats. Biden has spent his career appealing to those voters....The Obama campaign clearly made the decision that they did not need their veep pick to reinforce their change message, and that was a smart move. Obama brings plenty of change and excitement on his own."

Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
Joe Biden brings a host of assets to the Barack Obama campaign - chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; working class Irish Catholic roots; toughness on the stump; and the crucial, if...
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Something I noticed that no one seems to have picked up...

For the first few minutes of his speech today, Joe Biden's voice sounded a lot like John F. Kennedy. Not just the timbre of his voice, but the cadence.

Something else that seems to have gone unnoticed.­..

Even though he was reading from something hastily prepared, without the use of the teleprompter, he was able to put a lot of "soul" into the reading.

That's very Jack Kennedy. It's the public speaking equivalent of "it ain't what you say, it's how you say it." "It don't mean a thing without that swing."

I have a feeling that when it comes time for the presidential debates, some of Joe's "soul" will have rubbed off on Barack, and that it will sharpen his skills. His statements will be more focused. In rhetoric, like music, less is always more. Another musical truism:

It's not the notes you play, it's the spaces you leave between them.

I think these men truly respect each other for their individual gifts, their purpose, and commitment. They have the potential to achieve together what might not have been possible, on their own.

Synergy.

J O B A M A - J O B I D E N
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 08/24/2008
- Roschelle I'm a Fan of Roschelle 6 fans permalink
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I really don't think Obama could have chosen a better running mate. Since I can remember judiciary committee hearings being held on television­....my first experience in that was around the early 90s, Senator Biden has always been insightful, passionate, fair and a very seemingly likable person. I think they compliment each other very well and will be an asset to this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/24/2008

But how about his position on the war on drugs, his drafting of FISA, his support for the war and the bankruptcy bill. Based on on the issues why is this a good pick?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 08/24/2008
- robjh1 I'm a Fan of robjh1 21 fans permalink
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What matters is judgment. Again Obama has shown bad judgment. He listened to the media and followed the pundits. He wouldn't dare have put Hillary on the ticket for she was too formidable of a candidate, yet he would put Joe Biden on the ticket a man who openly said Barack doesn't not have the experience. What have the Republicans done? Used Biden's on words against him. How is that for judgment. How is that for showing Hillary who is the boss. And the media, they will glaze right over this and pretend it never happened. We all should be outrage. No dream team here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 08/24/2008

You mean like when Hillary said Obama was not fit to be Commander-in Chief....b­ut she and McBush were??? Take some anti-hypocrite medicine,and go to bed!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/24/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 65 fans permalink
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As I see it, Obama went against conventional wisdom in his pick. Biden does not bring a major state, he's not from the South (something LOTS of pundits said the VP should be) and he's not a woman (something lots of other pundits said).

Late in the game, it got easier to guess Obama's pick because hints came out, especially when he said he wanted someone compatible with his own views, rather than someone who could deliver a block of votes.

As for the Republicans using Biden's words against Obama, can you imagine how they would have used Hillary's? Sheesh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 08/24/2008

He didn't "listen to the media" to pick his running mate. It may interest you to note that Joe Biden suddenly became the favourite just two or three days before the announcement. Why? Because it became obvious around that time that the Obama campaign - that's right, the Obama campaign, NOT the media pundits - had already eliminated Clark, Nunn, Sebelius, Dodd and Bayh. So the only ones left were Biden and Kaine. I'm sorry to say this, robjh1, but only diehard PUMAs had any real belief that Clinton could have been picked as VP. If it's women's rights you're concerned about, I can't think of a better running mate to pick than Joe Biden, the man who authored the ground-breaking Violence Against Women Act, which was heralded as one of the finest pieces of civil rights legislation in the last two decades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 08/24/2008
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YES! PUMAs will be voting against their own values if they vote for McMittens.­...let them...the­y're really only about 10 of them anyway...o­h, and why haven't they paid off her debt yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 08/24/2008

Hillary openly said Barack isn't qualified to be President. In fact, "the inevitable Democratic nominee" said McCain was qualified and Obama wasn't. Hillary Clinton and her husband carry far more baggage than any potential running mate (except Edwards with his mistress and love child). Enough with the bitterness. You Hillary supporters are as sore losers as she and Bill are. SHE LOST. Because of her own incompetent campaign management, lack of good strategy, and arrogance. She came into the primary with overwhelming advantages (monied supporters, a huge margin of superdelegates, Democratic establishment support, anointment by corporate media) and still she lost. She resorted to Rovian tacts (in truth, she probably taught Rove) and still lost. Stop whining. it's over for Hillary. Now she needs to prove us wrong and show that she's capable of putting the nation's best interest ahead of her own and work passionately (PASSIONATELY) to get Barack Obama elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 08/24/2008

Personally, I think we're a little past that point already TheSecularist. As an Obama supporter, I've been delighted with how Clinton has shown herself willing to back Obama all the way and ensure that we have a Democratic White House from 2009. The issue is not really her anymore. It's her supporters that are the central issue here. The vast majority have switched to Obama, but there remain the PUMAs who insist on attacking Obama at every opportunity and supporting McCain. To those people who continue to resent Obama, all I'd say is that John McCain is against everything Hillary Clinton stands for. Clinton believes that women's rights in relation to abortion are important, yet McCain feels that women shouldn't be allowed to make the choice for themselves. Clinton stands for a healthcare system that gives more people access; McCain wants to wind it down. There is very little ideological space between Obama and Clinton: so don't let resentment cloud your thinking in what is an election of the highest importance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/24/2008
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Unfortunately Sec, we're most likely responding to repube trolls...i­t's like arguing with a brick wall - can't be done because a brick wall has no sense, no emotions, no brain.
However, I think the discourse is good...plu­s it's nice knowing there ARE sensible people out there like you and I...
Don't lose hope....ju­st keep doing what you're doing - getting the word out and if at least one person changes their mind - then I'll be happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 08/24/2008

You sound like one of those childish Hillary supporters. Biden is the best choice, I love him, he is great on the attack. Love what he did today marrying Bush and McCain. This is what the campaign needs. You cannot compare his comments to Hillary. She was really brutal, but even so, it was a primary, you cannot take that stuff too seriously. Historically many vice presidents dissed the prez when they were running against them. Another problem with Hillary is that she comes with alot of baggage - Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 08/24/2008
- mounthood I'm a Fan of mounthood 5 fans permalink

Some PUMAs are whiney losers. Maybe they aren't yet ready for the big leagues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/24/2008

Great choice for VP! My wife and I lived in Delaware for 20 years, and both supported and volunteered for Joe. Delaware is a place where the candidates still come to you: door-to-door, town-to-town, and beef dumpling dinner to pancake breakfast. Candidates who want your vote will serve your pancakes, pour your coffee, and actually learn your name. Even with 30 years in the Senate, that's still the way Joe does politics. Barack Obama picked a running mate for his experience (both personal and professional), candor, and, yes, wisdom. Go Joe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/24/2008

Tom Edsall....­.THE HATEFUL, THE NASTY, THE FOOLISH!!! Eat your own much at Huffpo??? GEEZ!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/24/2008
- lboucher I'm a Fan of lboucher 2 fans permalink

Put Hillary's name in nomination for both President and VP.

Mr. Joe Hairpluggs must be sent home and HRC made VP or President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/24/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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Go ahead and hold your breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 08/24/2008

My gosh, I think they are turning blue...no red!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 08/24/2008

AS if she didn't play the race card in the primary??? get over it,Clinton moderators!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/24/2008

I'm an Obama supporter, and I can quite confidently say that Clinton never used the race card. Like Biden with his "clean" comment, she merely made some unguarded remarks which were easily misinterpreted. Let's get over that already. Lambasting Clinton won't unify the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 08/24/2008

Of what??? Cacklers Anonymous??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/24/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

After all that buildup, Mr. Smug chose Joey Hairplugs. Mr. Smug promises much but delivers little. Unbelievable!!!! PUMA must rectify this at the convention and insist that Hillary be made VP or even President. Throw Hairplugs and even Obama out if must be. Do it now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/24/2008

Another believer in back-room back-stabbing politics. Pumas ..go home..wher­e i'm sure you're alone!! "INSIST" Hillary be made vp or Pres.? ??Ever heard of ELECTIONS?? Guess NOT!!I guess this is how you GOP shmuc*s think!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/24/2008
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

including two alleged incidents of plagiarism; an episode of resume inflation;
As if the glossing over over of GWB's bio and other's is any better?

a tendency to shoot from the mouth - only sometimes on target;
McCain is the same way plus he can't remember how many cars and houses he has

and the dubious distinction of becoming the first national party nominee with known hair plugs.
At least he's been honest about that.
And hair plug/transplants that we know of, I've seen a few others on CSPAN and I suspect a few have had them (the procedure has improved somewhat since Biden had them) not mention some are using hair dye (Reagan) and some REALLY OBVIOUS hairpieces (John Warner?).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 08/24/2008
- JRGris I'm a Fan of JRGris 13 fans permalink
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To say that Biden does not represent change is to completely misunderstand the disgust that I feel toward what Republicans have done to damage our country. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have taken this country completely off into the ditch. The have subverted the constitution, destroyed the middle class, stolen the future of the coming generations, destroyed our moral standing in the world, and ignored the needs of our people. Joe Biden has been on the scene for decades fighting to maintain some shred of decent government for the people. Given an Obama/Biden administration for 8 years and a democratic congress we have a chance to reclaim the promise of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness with a government By The People And For The People.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 08/24/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

McCain does not want to try to go after Biden... he will lose... I am breathing easier today. I look forward to living in american with Senator Obama and Senator Biden at the helm. This is good news for the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 08/24/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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I just loved Biden's jab about McCain and his seven kitchen tables! Classic!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 08/24/2008
- kitrat33 I'm a Fan of kitrat33 3 fans permalink

i just love the remark where little joe biden said " I would be honored to run on a ticket with Senator Mccain becuse I think the country would be better off"!

He is either the ultimate lier or the ultimate hypocrite, but since he did vote for the war probably a little of both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 08/24/2008
- AdV2k1 I'm a Fan of AdV2k1 6 fans permalink
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Biden under the eye and control of somebody can be used as an effective tool. I am very happy with the ticket, Biden had his mistakes but the Obama campaign is very controlled and that will help refine biden and control him in a great way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 08/24/2008

Go Biden, Go ! Here's to the State of Delaware. Smart choice !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 08/24/2008
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I'm a Clinton supporter who also really, really likes Joe Biden, and has pulled for him since his run in 1988. While still believing that Obama/Clinton would have been the best ticket this year, Obama/Biden is pretty darned good! Obama's choosing Biden means I'll put a bumper sticker on and maybe donate instead of just quietly voting for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/24/2008
- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

I sure do respect you for having such an open mind and keeping the bigger picture in mind. Thank you so much!! We're all going to come out of this just fine. And, although probably not nearly enough for most, I just hope that Hillary nails a spot to help to finally transform healthcare. Her heart is in it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 08/24/2008

Yeah...may­be she and Bill can head the NAACP!!! NOT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 08/24/2008

Word Marsan. Word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 08/24/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 567 fans permalink
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Thank you for your post and for your support for the Democratic Party and the Democratic ticket. If more of Hillary's supporters could be as objective and as honest as you are, we could once and for all get beyond the bitterness and divisiveness and focus on what is most important to America and ultimately to the world. I respect your support for Senator Clinton, and I admire your willingness to embrace both Senator Obama and Senator Biden in spite of your personal preference. Hopefully, others who support Hillary will read your post and be inspired to follow your example. I know that may be hoping for a bit much, but we need more people like you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 08/24/2008
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No choice would have been perfect, but I think this is the best possible choice Obama could have made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 08/23/2008

In McSame's case it'll be....."NO choice would have made a difference!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 08/24/2008

This wise choice shows why Obama will be a great president. He is pragmatic, thoughtful, he choose the best person for the job. Real Democrats will be pleased with the choice. Hope McCain picks Romney, then it can be the "regular guys" against the "country club members".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/24/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 65 fans permalink
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Biden is a man in full, as they say. He's a guy with a big life story, a big family, a big, long career and many accomplishments. He's forceful, fearless and outspoken. Heck, he's even made some big mistakes and been man enough to own up to them and apologize for them when it was appropriate.

Now, this is the sort of guy I'd like to see in the Vice Presidency, because I can easily see him as President. He's not going to tell you one thing and then do another. He's not going to be a different guy tomorrow. He's not going to cheat on his family, nor on his country.

For all of this, I can forgive him the vanity (e.g., hair plugs) and the occasional old wobble (e.g., mild plagiarism) and even sometimes sticking by his constituents at the cost of some of the rest of us (the bankruptcy bill).

He was my second choice for the Democratic Presidential nomination and he's my first choice for VP. He's the guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/23/2008
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That is big of you to forgive his plagiarais­m...but then considering some of the speeches the Massachusetts governor wrote that were borrowed for the national run by O and the unusual closeness to many speches of JFK and RFK as well and the recent plagiarism noted in McCain's recent speeches, it looks like most folks do it with regularity and you will need to extend your forgiveness to BO and JMcK as well. I guess too may speech writers just google in concepts and cut and paste and change a word or two and call that creation. The trouble for many of them is that a lot of us are still around who heard the originals speak their own words and we pick up on it where the younger folks who have a much higher rate of cheating when writing term papers don't even seem to understand the concept of plagiarism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/24/2008
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 23 fans permalink

"younger folks who have a much higher rate of cheating when writing term papers don't even seem to understand the concept of plagiarism­."

This assertion seems to be correct. I'm 33 years old and I understand the concept of plagiarism. My sister (and those around her age) is 25 years old and she just doesn't think it's a big deal at all. I've talked to a lot of people her age and they seem to think that Obama ripping a full stanza from his great friend, who "gave him permission" to plagiarize, was nothing that American politicians don't do on a regular basis. It would seem that they are correct in that assertion. However fatally flawed that position may be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 08/24/2008
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If you're going to go through all the trouble to get hair plugs, why can't you use some gel or mousse or hairspray during the biggest speech of your life to control it? The only thing I remember from that speech today was that his hair kept sticking out on one side. I kept waiting for his wife to spit on her hand and slick it back for him. http://mespace.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 08/23/2008
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Excuse me but that's all you got??

Seriously?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 08/24/2008
- srtjsrtj I'm a Fan of srtjsrtj 2 fans permalink

We are praying for you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 08/24/2008
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I guess you don't pay attention to anything that really matters. You probably think that the guy that you would like to have a beer with will make the best President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 08/24/2008

Did you have your Beltone turned off???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 08/24/2008
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Speaking of work done, has anyone seen how much work Cindy McCain had? Geez, she's got more plastic than, well, a big ol' hunk of plastic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 08/24/2008
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