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First Posted: 08-24-08 09:51 AM   |   Updated: 09-24-08 05:12 AM

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Hello and good morning and welcome to your Sunday Morning liveblog - which is really your truncated, abbreviated Sunday Morning liveblog. The reason? I am coming to you live from my hotel room in Denver, Colorado, where I am bereft of TiVo, unsure of the Sunday morning schedule, and doing it all at Mountain Time. Mountain Time! These are hearty people, these Coloradoans, with their strange time zone and their thin air and their delicious Rocky Mountain oysters - which are deep fried bull testicles (and they are delicious, AND non-elitist!)

Anyway, this is going to be short, today, but we're going to do our best. And here we go!

THIS WEEK, WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

So! Joe Biden! Deemed the "traditional attack dog" by GS. Fair distinction? I've gotten emails from people who wish the media could focus on different facets of both Biden and the vice-presidency.

David Axelrod is on, and McCain is an elitist many-homes-owning testy anger bot. GS is all: "Waaah. Not ready to talk about homes yet! Follow the script David Axelrod." Axelrod says that Biden is an awesome pick because he has wisdom, folksy wisdom. Delaware wisdom. The sort of wisdom that yanks money from me everytime I have to drive up to New York.

But what about Hillary Clinton and her supporters and her advisors? Why isn't she the vice-president? Axelrod insists that Obama doesn't have a problem with HRC and her Whip Gang. And anyway, McCain's going to pick Mitt Romney and you can fill an entire hour long show with his stupidity. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SUNDAY FUNNIES? THEY MUST IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THE DEAD PEOPLE. FOR CLOSURE.

Axlerod says the HRC is going to solve everything with her magical, rift-sealing convention speech.

But while hasn't Obama "put his stamp" on FDR's New Deal, with "glamor?" Sean Wilentz demands it! Axelrod basically says, "Uhm, we are just trying to run this race, here, in the year 2008."

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Will the convention attack Bush? Provide biography? Attack Bush with biography? Attack Bush with lions? Attack the lions with biography after they've attacked Bush, and start ransacking America, because WHERE DID THESE LIONS COME FROM? THEY ARE BITEY AND HURTY. This is a "special week," but there's going to be a "broad battlefield" going forward. NOT A SMALL BATTLEFIELD. A 50-state battlefield. Love is a battlefield.

GS wants Axelrod to specifically put a number on the post-convention bounce, and Axelrod demurs. He similarly brushes off worries about rain, that was prayed for by all those pseudo-Christians who actually worship an addled monkey named Booga-Booga-Foo from the dark side of the moon.

Oh, crimony, here's Rudy Giuliani. He's seen "that Biden clip" where he criticizes Obama's lack of experience "a hundred times." Really? Why? Isn't there anything else to do in New York City? Couldn't you have seen Passing Strange, or something? "No, no," says Giuliani, "I don't feel like going out to the theatre tonight. Gonna watch clips of Biden and figure out a way to alienate my family."

Giuliani says that Biden is not CHANGE! Boo! Because he's all about the hope for change. He says that Obama's hypocritical for disparaging McCain for having a ton of homes. "We've talked about football!" Giuliani says of McCain, who roots for the effing Cardinals, I guess. And doesn't Obama own a super-cool RezkoManse, in Xanadu? Giuliani says that Obama has no room to talk, because he is rich, too, But he's worth four million! That's a million shy of McCain's standard for rich.

Has Rudy been vetted for the vice presidency? He says no. And that stands to reason! Vetting Giuliani is like opening the Ark of the Covenant! Open the box, and suddenly your face is melting off amid tortured screams! "OMG! The corruption! The waste! The howling void!"

Panel time with George Will, Donna Brazile (who was on my flight yesterday! Along with MoDo), Cokie Roberts, and - bleah! - Mark Halperin.

Will says Biden should send Vladimir Putin a valentine or something, and says that the pick underscores a defect and the trick is to get people to fix on the fix. Cokie says that Biden will magically help Obama with Catholics. Halperin says that he agrees with Will, except when he doesn't.

GS says "Once you've said no to Hillary, Biden was the clear pick all along!" Will says that people will warm up to Biden in cases where they have trouble to warm up to Obama - which I think is the key advantage the pick offers: Biden will play well in the Rust Belt and out West.

Mark Halperin says that there will be interviews with delegates on the floor of the convention who will say they won't vote for Obama. Halperin will have a six-item listicle on TIME explaining this, that you will jump through two ads to get to and, in the end, feel cheated.

What will McCain do? George Will is like, "WOW. THREE SENATORS IN THE RACE!" So he'll pick someone other than a Senator, so it's Romney. Halperin says, "Oooh! Oooh! Can I be the 45,756th person to say Romney will help win Michigan?"

Cokie Roberts points out that Romney will add his many Sanctuary Mansions to McCain's extensive collection of estates and condos. But! George Will says FDR owned a big old estate, and he was a non-elitist, buffalo-testicle eating, dog-owning New Dealer! Yes, true! And presidential elections weren't quite such a shitshow of shallowness!

Halperin says this ad will bring Obama the Ayers/Wright attacks. GS, says, "Don't you think that would have come up anyway?" No...thinking is outsite Halperin's purview. Brazile says that Obama needs to attack McCain. But, Halperin, says, the attack on homes is a personal attack! Cokie says it's an ad about the economy. GS is pretty incredulous, too. Pretty soon everyone is smacking Halperin around like a tether ball as he stammers. George Will, doesn't participate, because really, people, have some dignity.

MEET THE PRESS

I think Meet The Press is on, right now? I can't find Fox News Sunday on my hotel room teevee. And it appears that the Chris Matthews Show isn't on out here or something. Either way, Denver is sort of a demi-paradise, where everyone eats bull testicles.

Hey! Harry and Louise ad! You think Harry and Louise have ever shacked up at a wrap party for one of their commercials? I like to think that these two have bumped uglies at least once. Yes. That's the sort of elevated discourse I am bringing to Denver!

Anyway, here is Meet The Press. And Caroline Kennedy is here! She's happy to be part of the campaign, as you might expect. How did the "vetting" process work? She was happy to be part of the vetting process. She's just happy! Joe Biden is the best! Obama was awesome! Eric Holder was cool! It was just a great process. And a confidential process, Tom Brokaw! So no prying questions! Anyway, the process, it was just...you know...great. A great process.

Biden "would be at the top of any list," Kennedy says. Especially the Obama list, which only had the "top" where Clinton and Bayh and Kaine and everyone else is.

What about Clinton? Kennedy says she's great. Just a great part of the process where she stays in the Senate and doesn't negatively impact the election at all.

Was John Kennedy's choice of LBJ a model for her? No. See, LBJ is dead, and America is not quite ready for a mouldering corpse as vice-president.

What does Kennedy think about McCain's "Biden" ad? She says that Biden's willingness to speak his mind and work with the GOP will be a great part of the future process.

Now it's time for Nancy Pelosi. Is it bad that Obama didn't pick "an agent of change?" Pelosi says, predictably, that it shows good judgement and Biden is great, and Obama is the full package on his own and that Biden reinforces this. I mean, why ask this sort of question? I guess Brokaw would have had himself a real scoop if the Convention Chairwoman has said, "Yeah, Tom, I think the Obama REALLY screwed the pooch with this pick! God, why do we even bother? I am going to be drinking vicodin milkshakes from now till November!" And then she walks off the set swearing.

Ugh, Brokaw and his "bottom line" he's sort of missing the fact that this "Gang of 10" legislation is not, "OH NOES! Let's suddenly capitulate and drill up the entire coastline." It puts offshore drilling as part of a cafeteria of options, and puts McCain in a bit of a political bind.

Honestly, against the backdrop of the convention, I'm a little stunned at how deep in the weeds they are getting on energy right now. Now Brokaw is sowing division between Pelosi and Al Gore. The purpose? I have no idea! Just a dash of, "BUT YOU DISAGREE WITH NOBEL PRIZE MAN!"

"Sounds like we're going to have offshore drilling!" Brokaw concludes, as a million heads thud against the wall.

More on "Should Obama have picked Clinton?" Pelosi says, "It's his choice," but no, his support is strong and the Democrats are united.

"Almost no Democrats are willing to say the Surge worked," says Brokaw. Because the Surge didn't allow the space for political decisions to be made...oh, you know the answer! The issue should be: why does John McCain, insist - like a petulant little whiny child - that he needs to be given CREDIT for the "Surge," when he won't take responsibility for a bad strategy that has empowered Iran, emboldened Hamas and Hezbollah, appeased al Qaeda, and failed to make this nation or the world safe?

Brokaw plays Obama's "that's above my pay grade" quote on abortion from Saddleback - which was a TERRIBLE answer, by the way. Pelosi's answer is much better! And more thoughtful and direct and couched in her Catholicism. And if I had TiVo, I'd pause this and quote her. Hope you saw it for yourself.

Panel time! Gwen Ifill, John Meacham and Chuck Todd are in the house.

Gwen Ifill says Biden, "doesn't hurt," except old men shouldn't run!

OH, TOM BROKAW. He says basically, that the "seven tables" was out of line because NOUN VERB WAR HERO! DOon't you know McCain was tortured, like he was a Gitmo detainee or something? That's what we should do with the detainees we release, then: GIVE THEM SEVEN HOMES.

Really, how far is this going to go? McCain, knee deep in the blood of a drifter, with Randy Scheunemann yelling: "HE'S ALLOWED TO DRINK THE HOBO BLOOD! WAR HERO!! WAR HERO!!!"

Meacham says Obama and Meacham are "prize fighters" who are going to open a "fight club" WHICH YOU SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT.

Chuck Todd says that Obama needs Hillary Clinton to "sell Barack Obama," and then recoup the proceeds of that sale to give to Mark Penn, who lives in a hole in Georgetown, where he looks for the One Ring To Rule Them All, With Microtrends.

John Meacham says, "I think all of us know a great deal about Barack Obama." Hey, John, that's not immediately apparent to a lot of people! I got a columnist here in DC, Richard Cohen, who a great many people have been duped into respecting who wrote the "I don't know anything about Obama" column in January and then RE-WROTE it in July! And all day long on pundit shows you here people talk about how "the people" don't know Obama. Uhm...why not SHARE what you know, guys?

OK. Sadly, I have to go, because of some panel that I was just now informed I have to go to. Don't worry! You are not missing anything, except the bull testicles, which are delicious.

Hello and good morning and welcome to your Sunday Morning liveblog - which is really your truncated, abbreviated Sunday Morning liveblog. The reason? I am coming to you live from my hotel room in De...
Hello and good morning and welcome to your Sunday Morning liveblog - which is really your truncated, abbreviated Sunday Morning liveblog. The reason? I am coming to you live from my hotel room in De...
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Audio from that absurd Mark Halperin appearance is up: http://www.entertonement.com/collections/2330/John-McCain's-Houses

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 08/25/2008
- Chandidevi I'm a Fan of Chandidevi 25 fans permalink

Vendor dependence is undermining the structure of US elections, as described here in the new report by VotersUnite.org: http://www.votersunite.org/info/ReclaimElections.pdf We want to see You, the People, enter into the vendor mix directly. From: www.blackboxvoting.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 08/24/2008
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Well we just don't know enough about him."

Come on...that's the stupidest reason to not vote for someone who's been so open about everything he's ever done.

McCain, yeah we know about him. He loves a good war. Wants to bomb Iran...then Russia. He agrees 95% of the time with Bush. He dumped a disfigured wife for a rich younger one. He was a member of the Keating Five. He doesn't know about computers, the internet or the Economy. Every gaff is shrugged off with "I spent 5 and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton, that's why!". His entire staff is made up of lobbyist. He doesn't know the difference from a Sunni, Shea or Iranian Al Queda member? (Yes he thinks that's possible) If that enough reason not to vote for him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 08/24/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 17 fans permalink

I watched ABC with George S and I have to say that on the round table, Halperin didn't exactly show his intellectual "chops." When he made the statement that Obama made a crucial mistake in bringing up McCains houses, the rest of the panel was incredulous. While I'm not a big fan of George S, he nailed Halperin. With such a terrible gaffe, I don't expect to see him on the show very often. He was terrible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/24/2008
- TwoCentsIn I'm a Fan of TwoCentsIn 2 fans permalink

Did anybody else notice that Giuliani almost let it slip
that he was in the race for Vice-President?
"I wanna welcome Joe Biden into the f-fray, ..effort..."
Makes me think McCain is gonna pick ol' "noun-verb-9/11"
for VP. The other choices are null and, oh yes, void.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/24/2008

I have to say that watching Tom Brokaw this morning on Meet the Press was rather painful. This is not the Tom Brokaw that I have grown up to respect. He just seemed so angry. Why is he so disturbed by the fact that Clinton did not get the VP nod? Why is he still harping on the surge for goodness sake? Why was he trying to play "gotcha' with the abortion rights issue?

I find it hard to believe that he could actually be upset that Biden made a dig at the number of homes McCain owns? Obviously Brokaw threw his objectivity hat out the window awhile ago. You'd think that after Tim Russert's passing that Brokaw would be more engergized to continue Russert's legacy rather than convert to a GOP hack.

I hope NBC has rounded out their finalists for Meet the Press, so they can get Brokaw the heck off that show!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 08/24/2008

I can't believe in what Brokaw has turned into. I guess age affects both him and McCain. They both have anger issues and get things confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 08/24/2008

"following" not "folling" obviously

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 08/24/2008
- steeler5 I'm a Fan of steeler5 3 fans permalink

Russert would have ripped Pelosi a new eyebrow. Funny how the left consider news shows hacks for the GOP when they ask questions that need to be asked. Fox is right wing and everyone else that is left...... is left!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 08/24/2008

Sadly, there are no news journalists left. None of them research, they only read talking points of news releases. I am disgusted with the non-jounalism in this country. They all are biased. They espouse only opinions not based on fact. I'm sick of it and have stopped watching TV and cable news. Who needs these fishwives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Not me. I stopped watching 7 years ago, and I don't miss it at all. There are plenty of news sources available on the web, and many of them include sensible commentary. The biggest difference is that on the MSM, the trolls and airheads draw six-figure salaries and don't allow rebuttals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 08/24/2008
- chs1965 I'm a Fan of chs1965 2 fans permalink

So why is the Mav's 7 houses off-limits? Kerry's family financial and housing situation certainly wasn't off limits on 04. Oh, I guess that he wasn't a POW and that excuses that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/24/2008
- daddydamon I'm a Fan of daddydamon 3 fans permalink

Kerry was a better soldier. He didn't get caught.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/24/2008
- steeler5 I'm a Fan of steeler5 3 fans permalink

They are not off limits but that was not the tune in 04. Payback is a ..... you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/24/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 130 fans permalink

I am disappointed in the arch "conservative" on the show, George Will. I would like him so much more if he took positions on the issues based on principle. Instead, he is really just a GOP cheerleader, endorsing whatever nonsense comes out of the RNC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 08/24/2008
- steeler5 I'm a Fan of steeler5 3 fans permalink

Will reminds me of Olbermann. Rah, Rah, Rah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 08/24/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 130 fans permalink

Sounds like someone dipped a little too far into the "bull." BTW, I hate the change they made to Coors beer 35 years ago. Up until then it was my favorite beer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 08/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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In the Rocky Mountain region, Coors' nickname is "Rocky Mountain P*sswater".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/24/2008
- lennix I'm a Fan of lennix 6 fans permalink


the msm is so sad all of them are like echos of each other and they get paid for being stupid and what gets me is that tom brokaw brain williams and all thoses nuts besides keith olberman talk about the will try to live up to tim russert style of news reporting lets not forget andera mitchell aith her boohoo when tim pass all of them lairs becuase what they are doing now is nothing tim would have done so if you said how munch you loved him is bs becuase if you did you would not be reporting on this grabage you put on the air and what comes out of your mouth so when the next time i hear one of you say his name i will just throw up. all of you are not a friend of his.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 08/24/2008

I heartily agree. I wanted to write and ask them all how they can look in the mirror and still shovel all that crap out to us. But. based upon their supposed reverance toward Tim Russert, a better question would be, why don't they put a picture of Mr. Russer nextt to their teleprompters so they have to look him in the eye.

I also wonder how much money McCain saves when MSNBC runs his ads -- for free -- AT LEAST once every hour. But, of course, McCain whines they're biased, which just gives them an excuse to give him even more air time.

They sorely underestimate us and will be extremely surprised come November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 08/24/2008
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Watching Nancy Pelosi spar with Tom Brokaw and watching the media in general talk to political figures is an exercise in futility and frustration. On the one hand you have the press always with the "gotcha journalism" and political figures trying their best to explain extremely complex and difficult issues in 15 second sound bites. Or they are trying to avoid tripping over one political land mine or another. With the exception of PBS American TV journalism does not do a good job of explaining the issues to the people. No wonder the American public is completely uninformed. Nobody wants to sit down and have a rational and comprehensive discussion with the public about what is going on in America. There is also the extraordinary apathy of the public and he disingenuous propaganda spread by the likes of journalists such as Steve Moore of the Wall Street Journal. If you really want to understand what's going on in America you have to read widely and think critically. Sadly most Americans just can't be bothered. One day they will wake up and wonder what happened to their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 08/24/2008
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Excellent comment.
I did see the very tail end of the interview and she seemed much more upbeat and more positive then I've seen her lately.

Your statement of reading widely and thinking critically is dead on.
People MUST be responsible for getting ALL the information they can. Doesn't matter if it's from Fox, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, HuffPost, DrudgeReport, etc...people need to read EVERYTHING and gather their own opinions from what they read, hear and see.
I think more Americans are waking up to what's been happening...at least for the past 8 years.
Tides are turning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 08/24/2008
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Anyone who has a computer and can use it can learn ANYTHING they want about Obama not only that, he has two books that he has out that explain who he is perfectly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/24/2008
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Anyone who has a computer and can use it can learn ANYTHING they want about Obama not only that, he has two books that he has out that explain who he is perfectly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 08/24/2008
- Mayoyo I'm a Fan of Mayoyo 5 fans permalink

except the bull testicles, which are delicious.
Say what?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 08/24/2008

You got to wonder about that first guy ... you know ... the one who said "hey look ... wouldn't those be good sauteed and placed on a bed of lettuce".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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They get cut off to make it possible to control the breeding lines. Probably people used to throw them to the dogs. Then some dogless rancher decided it was a waste not to eat them. And history was made!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/24/2008
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Why does the press and the pundits think that Obama owed HRC the VP slot. It wasn't a good fit. This was his choice to make. She ran a bad campaign and carries a lot of baggage. Plus I don't think she wants to be VP for Obama. All the worthless Republicans ( and no, not all are worthless, I do like Lugar and Hagel and Snowe and Collins) are saying this crap as if they care about the Democratic Party. Yeah right and I got some ocean beachfront property in Iowa I want to sell you. Pulease! Of course Fox Noise and the worthless Republicans want Hillary, she is great for fund raising and giving job security to the likes of Limbaugh, O' Reilly, Hannity, Glen Beck and the list goes on.HRC will be honored when she becomes a Supreme Court Justice. We need her to fight Scalia and Thomas. And ignore the trolls because they can't get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 08/24/2008
- lincat I'm a Fan of lincat 2 fans permalink

George S and Tom Brokaw are dumb. I'm so glad I don't watch these shows. And could we please stop talking about Hillary.? This is about Obama and Biden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 08/24/2008
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