Denver Voters: Obama Needs To Put Meat On His Bones

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First Posted: 08-25-08 08:48 AM   |   Updated: 09-25-08 05:12 AM

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It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was that Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones.

"He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk," one respondent in his early 40s declared, and many in the group nodded enthusiastically. "I want less oratory; show me what you have done and what you are going to do," another participant member declared.

The focus group was run by Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, and sponsored by the AARP. There was no emphasis on issues of particular concern to the elderly -- the purpose was rather to probe the views of uncommitted voters in the Denver metropolitan region.

Seventeen of the participants were willing to reveal their 2004 vote. Of them, 12 backed George W. Bush and 5 supported John Kerry.

A little over a quarter of the group, despite their claims of neutrality, voiced opinions suggesting that they are virtually certain to vote for John McCain. A slightly smaller number of the participants appeared to be in Obama's camp.

But nearly half of the group appeared legitimately uncertain, and their comments on the candidates, and on a sampling of McCain and Obama television commercials, offered insight into the hurdles facing each nominee.

Perhaps most striking was the almost unanimous and insistent demand that Obama and McCain be "accountable." This concern stood head and shoulders above calls for "change" or for a nominee who "understands the middle class" or "a candidate promising to resolve the Iraq War."

In many respects, these undecided voters were reminiscent of Ross Perot backers in 1992 and 1996, whose ranks were dominated by men and women who kept their books balanced and felt the government should do the same. By "accountability," the Luntz focus group members indicated that politicians should clearly spell out how they are going to pay for their promised agendas, should admit when policies will inflict some pain, and should avoid making commitments that they know cannot be fulfilled.

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"The biggest change of all would be just being accountable, man," one participant said. "It's not about change. Let's see what works, let's see what's accountable," replied another.

Luntz, talking to reporters who watched the session though a one-way mirror, said he was stunned by the depth of insistence on accountability. "This is a golden opportunity for either candidate to cut through the crap" and give voters a bottom-line accounting of his proposed programs' costs and how they will be met, he said.

Luntz contended that a failure to do this would be particularly dangerous for Obama. "If Obama comes across like the beautiful politician who has the words but not the solutions, they are going to [reject] him."

The reaction of the focus group participants to a collection of political ads provided a number of additional insights. The voters were all given electronic hand-held dials to indicate whether the liked or disliked what they saw.

Under prodding by Luntz, the participants divided themselves into two equal groups, one leaning to the Democrats, the other to Republicans. As they signaled their likes and dislikes on the electronic dials, two lines formed on a computerized graph so that it was possible to trace the patterns of each group.

One clear finding emerging from the focus group was that Democrats may be banking too optimistically on the notion that McCain's inability to remember the number of houses he and his wife own will significantly help Obama.

When the focus group was shown an Obama ad citing McCain's lack of knowledge of what he owns, the reaction was not as strong as the reaction to a McCain counter-ad citing the help convicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko provided to Obama in purchasing his own Hyde Park home.

"I really don't care how many houses you have, but it does matter how you got that house," a heavyset man declared.

McCain's ads over and over again beat Obama's in terms of the intensity of favorable reaction in this group, but McCain's high overall average numbers were driven by very positive reactions from 'Republican leaners,' while 'Democratic leaners' were often lukewarm. It was not unusual to have a 35 percentage point difference of opinion regarding the McCain ads -- with, for example, the Democratic leaners hovering at a neutral 50 percent and Republican leaners at 85 percent positive.

Conversely, Obama's ads were generally favorably received, but in a more modest 55 to 65 percent range. What stood out with the Obama ads was that, in contrast to the McCain commercials, there was very little difference between the average responses of Republican and Democratic leaners.

Among the possible interpretations of these patterns is that McCain may be able to pull in wavering voters who lean to the GOP, but he faces a tough time trying to convert undecided Democratic leaners. Conversely, Obama may need to raise the level and intensity of his efforts to win undecided voters, but Republican leaners may be less hostile to him than Democratic leaners are to McCain.

A majority of the voters in the focus group said they intend to watch all or most of the Democratic convention here, and most claim they remain open to being convinced by either candidate.

In actual practice, Obama will have to improve on Kerry's 2004 performance with a net gain of only one or two votes out of every 24 cast to win Colorado, while McCain must prevent the loss of even a tiny number of the votes Bush won in '04 in order to gain this state's nine electoral votes.

It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
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- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 34 fans permalink
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How can anyone be an undecided this late in the game?
This election cycle that has lasted FOREVER?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 08/25/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

Because neither candidate is honest.
John McCain will say anything he thinks the corporate world wants to hear.
Barack Obama will say anything he thinks everyone wants to hear.

Thats how people who love politics can still say with a straight face that this 19 months
has been a circus of distractions and lies that have not offered a measurable amount of
true difference in the two men.

Both want to expand the war on terror
Both are neoliberal free-traders.
Both intend to whitewash Bush crimes if elected.
Both oppose universal healthcare that honestly removes the corrupting force of insurance companies.

They are both sanitized and approved by the money power, meaning that their overarching
policies will lead to the exact same place. The only difference is that one will take the left wing road to get you there, and one will take the right wing road to get you there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 08/25/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 28 fans permalink

If you honestly think there's no difference between the two of them then you don't really know what you're talking about. Plain and simple. The end game is not the same. One desires the absolute end to almost all federal government operation. The other is for responsible government. At the base of all federal Republican politicians' ideology is distrust of government. When they are elected they aim to undermine the government by NOT PAYING FOR IT! I can say with near complete certainty that the Congressional Republican candidates, right now at this moment, are campaigning on the failures of the current Democratic Congress (what they fail to mention is that they are filibustering and holding every piece of meaningful legislation they can hostage). Ditto heads like you will say they're all bums. And you don't know jack!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 08/25/2008

blah blah blah. Have you been listening at all. Barack doesnt want to expand the fake war in Iraq. He thinks we should actually hunt down the people responsible for 9/11. WOW what a unique idea-hold the people accountable who are actually responsible. The one thing Bush and Rove have been successful during these past several years is fuzzying up the truth. Secondly, Barack cant do it all him self. Based on your analysis he is supposed to hold Bush accountable when the public fully aware of Bush/Cheney crimes reelected this guy, Pelosi/Reid are impotent, and 25% of the country still approve of Bush. That's 75 million people. And we can have Universal HealthCare as soon as the government subsidizes the education of Doctors, Nurses , Dentist, Health Educators, Nutrionists etc. This will encourage people who want to be in medicine for the people not for profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/25/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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"Accountability"
now, there is something we can all get behind.

let's start with holding the Bush Administration and the GOP accountable for what they have done.
and let's be honest about the candidates who fall into that Gang

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/25/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 184 fans permalink

It's funny how somebody's mouth can say they want more substance while their hand is simultaneously turning a dial that says what they really want is more Rezko ads.

So maybe... Obama should make Rezko ads... about McCain... right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 08/25/2008
- kcmookie I'm a Fan of kcmookie 129 fans permalink
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Kind of like interviewing a group of Men about Women issues......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 08/25/2008
- DWP I'm a Fan of DWP 2 fans permalink

I must say that I have heard Obama's speeches and have read his website and I don't fine any lack of "meat on the bones". I am wondering if what they truly mean is more sound bites which outline the substance. Things like. On energy I would have everything in the package. That includes, but not limited to, off shore drilling, nuclear energy, wind, natural gas, hydro electric and all should address environmental concerns within reason. In addiiton, it would include conservation such as tax incentives for organizations that have efforts which meet a criteria for saving fuel. Things like that. Please go to my website or ask the person at the back of the room for additional information on any of these subjects. Have packages ready to handout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/25/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 28 fans permalink

Have you ever been to a political rally before? What you just described is EXACTLY what they do. These ditto heads are people who don't go to the websites and don't read campaign literature. They don't go to rallies and they don't stop in their local campaign offices to get information. They barely read the paper and they watch the evening news while dinner is being eaten. Then, when someone asks them what they want to hear from a politician, they always say "more detail" or "I need specifics." When in reality they know they haven't done the research and their answers of "we need more" is a psychological deflection of their own failings. Both candidates have three or four books written about them. You can download hundreds of pages of PDFs from both websites. Both campaigns have scores of Ivy-League educated advisers who crank out position papers daily. Sen. Obama will be coming out with a four hundred page policy book in a month. And if these types of voters really did dig their heads in this stuff they would probably be even more confused. Bottom line: these people will never be satisfied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 08/25/2008
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Very nicely written and unfortunately what you've described is very true as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 08/25/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Gee, 12 actual neutral voters. That makes up a nice representative sample of... statistical noise. Hello!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 08/25/2008
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This focus group was a waste and determines nothing. The majority in it were Republicans - perhaps dissatisfied with their party, but Republican, nevertheless:

> "Seventeen of the participants were willing to reveal their 2004 vote. Of them, 12 backed George W. Bush." The remaining seven of the 24 were probably ashamed to reveal they voted for George W. Bush.

> "A little over a quarter of the group, despite their claims of neutrality, voiced opinions suggesting that they are virtually certain to vote for John McCain."

Yet they're demanding "substance?" Yeah, they really hear a lot substance watching Fox News and 30 second ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 08/25/2008
- kcmookie I'm a Fan of kcmookie 129 fans permalink
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I am surprised they could find 12 people WILLING to admit they voted for Bush. That makes me question the entire sampling....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 08/25/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 23 fans permalink

Let's not forget that focus groups are not intended to project the attitudes of a small sample to a national or even a state or local level.

Focus groups are intended to "provide insights" (i.e. you don't look for conventional attitudes or thinking - you're looking for "accidents to happen.").

One of media's "urban myths" is that Obama is all inspiration and no substance." To the contrary, he has detailed positions on just about every issue imaginable. Problem is - it's all buried deep within the campaign website. And since many people in the demographic segments where Sen. Obama is weakest tend to get their information from 30-second TV sound bytes and word-of-mouth buzz (which don't lend themselves to 40 page position papers), the meat on Obama's proverbial bones for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.

The challenge for Sen. Obama therefore is to find a way to bring all those wonky positions up from the shadows of obscure web pages and into the light where average citizens can (a) know these issue-positions exist and (b) have them presented in a way they can get their arms around. (Maybe all it might take is a series of post card mailers on a variety of issue-topics presented "Problem/Solution" style).

But - if the focus group insight is accurate - it's a job worth doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 08/25/2008
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Ok, you're point is good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/25/2008
- MrTessier I'm a Fan of MrTessier 3 fans permalink

Good point, I agree. There's risk in pulling out the policy details, but all that I've read so far are pretty moderate on Obama's side. McCain's seemed to be much more bare-bones, and I had trouble finding any details on them. When I did get down to the details, especially on his health care plan, I didn't think they were very moderate at all.

I think that Obama can actually win, if he can get the debate to that level, but I can't really see how to get it there. McCain's not stupid, he'll just keep repeating higher taxes. The more Obama tries to fill out the details, the more McCain will ask how he's going to pay for it.

An endeavor worth trying though, I especially like the idea of post cards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/25/2008
- arizonabay I'm a Fan of arizonabay 17 fans permalink
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I agree, Obama also needs to go one better and have full or half page newspaper ads in battleground states that outline in understandible detail his policy ideas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/25/2008
- unity08 I'm a Fan of unity08 15 fans permalink
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Let’s see here.
Frank Luntz, a republican pollster as seen on Faux news, sponsored by the AARP. The group comprised of individuals who voted over 2 to 1 for Boosh in 2004. Yeah that’s independent alright.
Fair and balanced? You decide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 08/25/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

come on its the truth OBAMA IS A PHONY THE MAN IS TELLING THE TRUTH HIS CHARCTER IS A BIG ISSUE WITH ME - ILLEGAL HOME FROM CONVICTED RESKO, FOR ALL WE NO IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE THAT REALLY NEEDED THE MONEY AND HAD TO TAKE WHAT THEY COULD GET - OBAMA DID NOT CARE IT FOR HIS PURPOSE ONLY -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 08/25/2008
- Kynn I'm a Fan of Kynn 7 fans permalink

What are you talking about?

What money? whack job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 08/25/2008
- unity08 I'm a Fan of unity08 15 fans permalink
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Huh??? and please, stop yelling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/25/2008

Speaking more of weak Obama advertising, here are few of key themes, all with excellent, repeatable, tag lines:

“Want risk? Stay the course” This is the common theme for the series of ads that call for the public to make the Republicans accountable. Obviously, it turns the Republican argument against Obama on its head.

“John McCain – Hopeless.” A series of ads that focus mostly on McCain gaffes – particularly in the areas of his perceived strength, national security. This also helps immunize the word “hope” against McCain smears that it means “naiveté.”

“John McCain is taxing your children.” This is the most important and immediate need.

The message crystallizes a point we all know – that the national debt has exploded from $5.7 trillion to $9.6 trillion in eight years – but it makes it more visceral. Simply put, the interest on the added debt is about $160 billion per year – or a tax of $2,000 per family of four - rich or poor. Most importantly, that tax goes on forever.

“John McCain is taxing your children.”

Visually, couldn’t we have a growing line graph (left to right) of the debt, starting in 1992. It takes of in 2001 – much in parallel with Al Gore’s CO2 line. Can’t we have Gore on a scissor lift rising to the $9.6 trillion point on the line? Can we do it at the convention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/25/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

IF YOU WANT RISK VOTE OBAMA!!!! IF YOU WANT A LIER VOTE OBAMA!!!! IF YOU WANT A ROCK STAR VOTE OBAMA!!!!! IF YOU WANT A PERSON WITH A BIG CHARCTER ISSUE VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!
RESKO, AEYERS, WRIGHT, AND LETS NOT FORGET THE PRIEST!!!!!! i IF OBAMA IS NOT ELISTIST WHY DONT HE GO BACK TO KENYA AND RESCUE HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HE THINKS HHE IS BETTER THAN THEM - THEY PROBABLY CLING TO GUNS AND RELITION!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 08/25/2008
- DMHendrix I'm a Fan of DMHendrix 103 fans permalink
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Webster's Precise Dictionary....on sale at Borders for $5.99...think about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 08/25/2008
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..

You spit out the Republican talking points like a PEZ dispenser.

Did they promise you some Coochie Coupons ?

ps.
Obama's relatives in Kenya, don't need rescuing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/25/2008
- kcmookie I'm a Fan of kcmookie 129 fans permalink
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I see you found the CAPS lock key, now maybe you can get someone who is educated to check your spelling.

Liar not Lier
Character not Charcter
Elitist not Elistist
Religion not Relition

There are others, but you get the point. To bad your vote counts for the same as mine....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 08/25/2008

You are a nice representative of Republican mainstream.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 08/25/2008
- neenj I'm a Fan of neenj 2 fans permalink

Hi Karl Rove!!

WELCOME!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 08/25/2008
- MrTessier I'm a Fan of MrTessier 3 fans permalink

Really good point about taxing your children. I believe that line of attack is by far the best one to take. You can hilight the point that McCain is so rich he doesn't have to worry about it, he's so old that he won't be around to have to worry about it, and hilight that children are the future. I think it worked pretty well for Bill Clinton in '92, might as well roll it out again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/25/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Will O listen? I doubt it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/25/2008
- granamica I'm a Fan of granamica 5 fans permalink

Hey shouldn't you be surrounded by your pac (!) in Denver ready to take over the Hilton on behalf of second class rich white women everywhere? Well, not everywhere but you know in the nicer zip codes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 08/25/2008

I think one of the unheard stories of this election cycle is Suffolk University Polls. I think they are based in Boston. During the primary season, they have been one of the most, if not the most, accurate predictor of the election outcomes. Does anyone know if they have any polls on the presidential election yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/25/2008
- 395spoons I'm a Fan of 395spoons 3 fans permalink

Dear undecided:

You were obviously NOT listening!!! Just go on the Obama official website and you will know where he comes from and what he stands for.

You need to READ and LISTEN carefully and decide for yourselves if you want the next 4 years to be similar or even worse than the past 8. Try and remember how you or your parents were doing 8 years ago and how you are doing now. And please remember this when you hit the voting booth:

McCain = Himself and Big Corporations FIRST
Obama/Biden = YOU FIRST ALWAYS

OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 08/25/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

IT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME WHAT HE STANDS FOR I AM HRC SUPPORTER AND WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA - I DONT CARE - I WILL VOTE JOHN MCCAIN - AT LEAST WE WILL BE A WHOLE LOT SAFER WITH MCCAIN - OBAMA CANNOT EVEN TELL US WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY COMING FROM THAT HE IS PROMISING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 08/25/2008

Suit yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/25/2008
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Ignorance has no bounds. . . . .

Of course, with McCain in the White House, all of the money to "keep us safe" will come from the middle class. It certainly won't come from the top 1% of the wealthy. I guess you must be one of those high income - low intellect people.

And if you are a woman, you are eventually going to be so very sorry for voting for a man who has no regard for women or women's rights.

And if you are still young, enjoy your future all barefoot and preggers . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 08/25/2008
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MORE SUBSTANCE???
Cracks me up.

The O website has pages and pages on issues and policy.
The McCain website says he likes mom and apple pie. That's it.

The Black man has to work twice as hard to be considered the equal of the white man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 08/25/2008
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harder than that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/25/2008
- MrTessier I'm a Fan of MrTessier 3 fans permalink

Remember that it's about perception, not necessarilly about reality. The Obama campaign just has to stratagize a way of exposing the material they've compiled.

Great name by the way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 08/25/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 7 fans permalink

I say all criticism about Obama is racism. Plain and simple.

He has the "experience" and "judgment" to run our country.

As for the stuff above his "pay grade", who cares?

He's handsome and has Michelle to guide him!

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Character is a "distraction" - NOT an ISSUE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 08/25/2008
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