Denver Voters: Obama Needs To Put Meat On His Bones

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First Posted: 08-25-08 08:48 AM   |   Updated: 09-25-08 05:12 AM

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It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was that Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones.

"He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk," one respondent in his early 40s declared, and many in the group nodded enthusiastically. "I want less oratory; show me what you have done and what you are going to do," another participant member declared.

The focus group was run by Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, and sponsored by the AARP. There was no emphasis on issues of particular concern to the elderly -- the purpose was rather to probe the views of uncommitted voters in the Denver metropolitan region.

Seventeen of the participants were willing to reveal their 2004 vote. Of them, 12 backed George W. Bush and 5 supported John Kerry.

A little over a quarter of the group, despite their claims of neutrality, voiced opinions suggesting that they are virtually certain to vote for John McCain. A slightly smaller number of the participants appeared to be in Obama's camp.

But nearly half of the group appeared legitimately uncertain, and their comments on the candidates, and on a sampling of McCain and Obama television commercials, offered insight into the hurdles facing each nominee.

Perhaps most striking was the almost unanimous and insistent demand that Obama and McCain be "accountable." This concern stood head and shoulders above calls for "change" or for a nominee who "understands the middle class" or "a candidate promising to resolve the Iraq War."

In many respects, these undecided voters were reminiscent of Ross Perot backers in 1992 and 1996, whose ranks were dominated by men and women who kept their books balanced and felt the government should do the same. By "accountability," the Luntz focus group members indicated that politicians should clearly spell out how they are going to pay for their promised agendas, should admit when policies will inflict some pain, and should avoid making commitments that they know cannot be fulfilled.

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"The biggest change of all would be just being accountable, man," one participant said. "It's not about change. Let's see what works, let's see what's accountable," replied another.

Luntz, talking to reporters who watched the session though a one-way mirror, said he was stunned by the depth of insistence on accountability. "This is a golden opportunity for either candidate to cut through the crap" and give voters a bottom-line accounting of his proposed programs' costs and how they will be met, he said.

Luntz contended that a failure to do this would be particularly dangerous for Obama. "If Obama comes across like the beautiful politician who has the words but not the solutions, they are going to [reject] him."

The reaction of the focus group participants to a collection of political ads provided a number of additional insights. The voters were all given electronic hand-held dials to indicate whether the liked or disliked what they saw.

Under prodding by Luntz, the participants divided themselves into two equal groups, one leaning to the Democrats, the other to Republicans. As they signaled their likes and dislikes on the electronic dials, two lines formed on a computerized graph so that it was possible to trace the patterns of each group.

One clear finding emerging from the focus group was that Democrats may be banking too optimistically on the notion that McCain's inability to remember the number of houses he and his wife own will significantly help Obama.

When the focus group was shown an Obama ad citing McCain's lack of knowledge of what he owns, the reaction was not as strong as the reaction to a McCain counter-ad citing the help convicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko provided to Obama in purchasing his own Hyde Park home.

"I really don't care how many houses you have, but it does matter how you got that house," a heavyset man declared.

McCain's ads over and over again beat Obama's in terms of the intensity of favorable reaction in this group, but McCain's high overall average numbers were driven by very positive reactions from 'Republican leaners,' while 'Democratic leaners' were often lukewarm. It was not unusual to have a 35 percentage point difference of opinion regarding the McCain ads -- with, for example, the Democratic leaners hovering at a neutral 50 percent and Republican leaners at 85 percent positive.

Conversely, Obama's ads were generally favorably received, but in a more modest 55 to 65 percent range. What stood out with the Obama ads was that, in contrast to the McCain commercials, there was very little difference between the average responses of Republican and Democratic leaners.

Among the possible interpretations of these patterns is that McCain may be able to pull in wavering voters who lean to the GOP, but he faces a tough time trying to convert undecided Democratic leaners. Conversely, Obama may need to raise the level and intensity of his efforts to win undecided voters, but Republican leaners may be less hostile to him than Democratic leaners are to McCain.

A majority of the voters in the focus group said they intend to watch all or most of the Democratic convention here, and most claim they remain open to being convinced by either candidate.

In actual practice, Obama will have to improve on Kerry's 2004 performance with a net gain of only one or two votes out of every 24 cast to win Colorado, while McCain must prevent the loss of even a tiny number of the votes Bush won in '04 in order to gain this state's nine electoral votes.

It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
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- Linda Bergthold - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Linda Bergthold 108 fans permalink
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This is exactly the point I am making in my article today 'Obama's not specific enough? Gimme a break!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-bergthold/obamas-not-specific-enoug_b_120896.html

Obama HAS put out very specific policies, both in his speeches and on his website. The electronic media simply do not cover that level of detail very often, and people do not take the time to read the materials on his website.

The problem he has to solve is to learn to say things that sound specific in short, memorable ways. That's not easy. But I don't think focus group leaders like Luntz do us any favor when they don't follow up on the type of response above -- "he needs to put some meat on the bones and get more specific". He should have asked, "Have you ever gone to his website and read any of his policies?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 08/25/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 21 fans permalink
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To me that is code for "this boy knows how to talk and he talks better than our guy". If he was short-specific as you contend, then the reverse would be the cry and so on....... Why is it so diffcult to accept the candidate at face value? If his style is to put it out there so you can think and decide, what is the problem? Why do press people always want it their way? Where is the objectivity you always claim to have? Why do you guys always use your bosses talking points to shove down our throats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 08/25/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 21 fans permalink
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A lot tof these undecided voters (white folks) not sold on Obama, won't be sold on Obama. It's not their fault, they look at Obama the same way they look at their ethinic supervisor and wonder how he got so lucky. People of color never work hard, we never pay our dues, its always some other reason for success. This is the conflict Obama faces because he won't be taken at face value. While we are making tremendous progress, obviously there is a ways to go.
Win or lose for Obama this election is a serious gut check for America. Are we who we say we are to the world or we just window dressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/25/2008
- MrTessier I'm a Fan of MrTessier 3 fans permalink

I'm not so sure that they cannot be convinced. I think it's possible, but really difficult to do while maintaining your base. The important thing, is that there's the perception that he's working for common ground and it appears to be working. He seems to want to bridge the divide between red/blue states and I think it shows that he's at least partially effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 08/25/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 21 fans permalink
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Well said!! Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 08/25/2008

When is McCain going to be asked to put some meat on his bones?
Every time McCain held one of his big policy speeches that were going to lay out the specifics of his policies, McCain's polices came across as dumbfounded or just plain untenable.

McCain's plan for the economy - summer gas tax
McCain's plan for the economy - I don't understand the economy I'll leave that to Phil Gramm to decide
McCain's plan for national security - bomb bomb bomb Iran
McCain’s plan for foreign policy - piss off Russia, as he forgets how to pronounce the president of the country of Georgia's name, even though McCain claims to be friends with the guy
McCain's plan for dealing with nuclear waste - ship it to a foreign country that would not be able to guarantee the long term safety of their storage facilities, despite the fact that America's nuclear waste stockpiles, which have not been segregated and stored according to quality of the nuclear material and contains weapons grade nuclear material comingled with other radioactive waste.
McCain's plan for supporting our troops - don't bother to show up to vote Yea or Nay on the GI Bill
McCain's plan for ensuring equality for women - vote against equal pay and worker protections for women
When the republican's experienced maverick shows that he has some meat on his political bones - then maybe the republicans can complain about Sen. Obama's well defined policies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/25/2008

I agree Obama’s ads suck. As banal as it sounds, he needs a better tag line – one we can repeat ad nauseum and goes directly at the GOP’s core lie – that they know anything about national security.

"Failed Policy?" Naptime. "Distracted" Worse. "We are not safer" Wish-washy at best.

*** Our enemies are stronger because we invaded Iraq. ***

This argument is both easy to prove and in your face. Just run down the list of enemies:

Worried about what Iran will do next in Iraq? Iran wasn"t in Iraq before we invaded! Iran is stronger because we invaded Iraq. Concerned al Qaeda in Iraq will regroup? There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded! Al Qaeda in Iraq is stronger because we invaded Iraq. Upset about the spread of radical fundamentalist Islam? Iraq was 100% secular " now 40% of the country suffers under Sharia law. The radical Islamists are stronger.

And al Qaeda and the Taliban? We could have crushed them if we had sent 30.000 extra troops there rather than 130,000 to Iraq. The true terrorists are stronger because we invaded Iraq.

A set of allied tag lines include:

- Republicans have no business telling anyone how to make America safe.
- Given their track record, there"s no way they should make the next decision.
- "The Emperor"s new clothes" " the Republican "mantle of national security", vaporizes when you ask the simple question: are our enemies stronger?

Want to pass the tag

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/25/2008
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12 years have proven the GOP cannot handle the economy, nor can they manage the dollar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 08/25/2008
- MrTessier I'm a Fan of MrTessier 3 fans permalink

I agree that they have dropped the ball in foreign policy, but why even get into that debate? It's one with very entrenched feelings on both sides, and neither appears to be able to convince the other. Much better to move onto areas where the argument's easier and Obama has a clearer advantage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 08/25/2008

Thanks, Mr. T. I appreciate your reading my post.

I would stand by my point that you must attack your opponents' strength. For example, the Britney ad more than offset the positve impact of having 200,000 Germans listening to Obama.

We didn't attack the Republicans' alledged national security mastery in the prior two elections, and we lost. Moreover, granting this point amplifies their "naivete" message against Obama. We don't have a choice.

I'm not an advertising guy, but I do believe that a good, memorable tag line, repeated almost ad nauseum, reinforces the content you have presented.

Most important, I am angry in my gut that the Republicans have made our enemies stronger. But of course, that's because I am:

HawkOnTheLeft

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/25/2008

as a 100% liberal, dyed in the wool democrat, i have to say i have deep respect for frank luntz and his work even though i might not like his political leanings. read his books, listen to the man and learn from him.
just don't apply your new found knowledge to getting the GOP back in office and you'll be fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/25/2008
- Chapmanp2 I'm a Fan of Chapmanp2 15 fans permalink

The media continues to draw the narrative & story lines as if they have no responsibility to report on the records of both McCain & Obama.
IMHO the media has the responsibility & resources to report openly & often on the congressional records (votes) of each McCain & Obama. The records are there & if the media would get off their lazy asses & inform the electorate instead of just reporting each camps spin we could base our decisions on reality. Some of US are interested enough to actually check the records & when we do it's not hard to decide which candidate actually falls in line w/ our values (YES there is a huge difference).
Obama actually becomes WAY more impressive as you inform yourself...
As for the Rezko meme, The media continues to parrott it as if it's a huge question mark, but it's actually been disected by the media, & all opposition & they have found NO WRONG DOING OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. McCain's camp (& opposition) continue to spout off about it simply to create doubt.
What makes that particularly troubling is that McCain was taken out of the 2000 primary & defeated by Bush using the exact same tactics... Ironically I'd be way more prone to support McCain if he adhered to principal based on his past experience rather than exploiting it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 08/25/2008
- loax I'm a Fan of loax 20 fans permalink

A Republican group polling the Democrats. Yeah, that view is not twisted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 08/25/2008

Even though Frank Luntz works for the enemy, you've got to admire his art. He is clearly the best in that business and his gift is that he is not afraid to ask the right questions and, more importantly, not afraid to listen to the answers he gets.

After watching the McCain and Obama ads on the Olympics, Frank Luntz is right, Obama has to abandon that light airy-fairy sunshine and windmills approach that says "Trust me because I drink herb tea and run away from every fight" He needs to get real and start focussing on us and our problems first before proposing solutions. (Oh and complaining about McCain's attack ad's: Obama might as well hang a sign that says "Sissy" around his neck)

This is sales 101, you talk about the problems first to get credibility, then you propose the solution (sometimes if you really nail the problem, you don't even have to provide a solution). McCain's Olympic ads did this brilliantly. "Washington is broken, Life is bad" "McCain feels your pain" McCain will fix it." This works.

Luntz is right, Obama needs to express what he is trying to do in terms of real people...not windmills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 08/25/2008
- sydney01 I'm a Fan of sydney01 5 fans permalink

I am sorry, but it has to be said.

These voters are morons.

Obama has stated SO MANY DETAILS of his policies in his numerous speeches. They were filled with "substance". Yes, it does suck that the news media usually reports bits and pieces of policy, and does not give coverage to the boring details, but as a citizen, you have to do some work yourself.

Obama has put these details out over, and over, and over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 08/25/2008
- mlr710 I'm a Fan of mlr710 5 fans permalink

I sincerely believe we are living in a time with some of the laziest, most attention deficit individuals this country has ever seen. The repeated mantra of not knowing "enough" about Obama and his policies is proof of that. Every position is spelled out in grave detail, but these nitwits are too lazy and trifling to bother to read. They want an energy plan laid out in a 30 second soundbite. They want a policy of national security to be a catch phrase thought up by Madison Avenue. The same people claiming to not know Obama, couldnt tell you anything other than he's a POW about McCain, they are so swayed by the media that I swear if Ruper Murdoch got up in front of the Washington Monument with a pipe, they'd converge by the droves in a dazed spell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/25/2008
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It's Short Attention Span Theater (a former Jon Stewart show) without the comedy.

When did the American Public get like this? Do we blame Laugh-In, Sesame Street, or MTV videos for creating the Instant Gratification Crowd that is now the American Public?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 08/25/2008

I know how Obama is going to pay for a lot of this. But perhaps I have an edge over these people. Part of my patriotism was inspired by a foreigner -- an older Brit who years ago used to do shows on PBS, Allistair Cook. He did a show about America. And I - being an immigrant at the time -- learned so much about how wonderful this country is. Cook spoke to WWII. When America was attacked. How no one believed they could recover their fleet or be any use in the war. America's know how and determination -- by building pre-fab assembly line ships etc. was amazing and well history tells the rest. He was so impressed with the American spirit, it's never say die, and can-do attitude so inspired me that I never forgot it. When Obama speaks about the new economy he envisions...related to new energy....I know with him as a leader that we can and will do it. That we'll lead the world, start a new economic engine for ourselves and the world. Jobs will increase. That's the American that Obama sees, that Cook saw and that I as a young woman was so impressed with. Patriotism isn't all parades and flags. It's belief in the spirit that founded this country. I have it. And I've found a candidate who fires it up in me over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 08/25/2008

Voters will believe the spin unless there is a counter spin. It is relatively simple to spin or distort a story. There has to be something credible on balance to take the inertia out of negative spinning. In the end, the best you can do is come out even. I don't know this Luntz guy at all, but I understand the gist of what he is saying. Obama should have a counter ad on Rezko, prepared with a counter ad on Wright, futhermore go on the offensive to attack McCain on Keating, Abramoff ties, tax cuts for the wealthy 2%, the true costs of the Iraq war (McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a POW, in 5+ years 4,000+ soldiers won't come home alive due to a strategic Republican driven blunder!!). Sufficiently tie McCain up in knots trying to deal with his support for Bush. Concurrently express his message of lower taxes for 98% of Americans, Healthcare for all, paid for by reversing the Bush/McCain tax cuts for the wealthy. Obama = more $$ in moderate income American pockets!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 08/25/2008

It doesn't matter what Obama details about the policies he plans to implement. He is not being heard. And all the media wants to talk about is politics.

As long as low-information voters get their news only from the Limbaughs, Hannitys and O'Reillys of the world, they will never be voting on the facts. It's the reason that every election cycle people vote against their best interests. Those who are not wealthy and believe that their and their family's lot in life will improve under a McCain administration are delusional.

And any Clinton supporter, with an interest in promoting and protecting women's rights, who votes for McCain is a traitor to herself by permitting the selection of more anti-women's rights Supreme
Court justices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/25/2008
- dontomas I'm a Fan of dontomas 14 fans permalink
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A recent poll by the Denver Post indicates that only 20% of the readers will watch the DNC events this week. I live in Denver but once you go outside of the city limits you find the same mindset as Ohio or any other red state. If you want to reach these people it would better if you had Bronco football players endorsing Obama. Perhaps the last 8 years have totally destroyed any sense of belief in the US political system and voters have turned up their Ipods and closed down their minds. Maybe McCain represents big brother who will keep them safe and that is all they really want to hear, so no matter what Obama stands for or how he delivers his message these voters already have their minds made up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/25/2008
- DMHendrix I'm a Fan of DMHendrix 107 fans permalink
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First line, third paragraph started with "Frank Luntz, Republican pollster" and that's all I needed to see...moving along...............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/25/2008

If 12 of those 17 polled voted for Bush in 2004 after all the lies, calamity, etc.. from that Administration then it's safe to say that these weren't real Independents. These 12 were uninformed staunch conservatives - probably FoxNews heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 08/25/2008
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