Denver Voters: Obama Needs To Put Meat On His Bones

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First Posted: 08-25-08 08:48 AM   |   Updated: 09-25-08 05:12 AM

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It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was that Barack Obama needs to put some meat on his bones.

"He has to put some substance behind the charismatic talk," one respondent in his early 40s declared, and many in the group nodded enthusiastically. "I want less oratory; show me what you have done and what you are going to do," another participant member declared.

The focus group was run by Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, and sponsored by the AARP. There was no emphasis on issues of particular concern to the elderly -- the purpose was rather to probe the views of uncommitted voters in the Denver metropolitan region.

Seventeen of the participants were willing to reveal their 2004 vote. Of them, 12 backed George W. Bush and 5 supported John Kerry.

A little over a quarter of the group, despite their claims of neutrality, voiced opinions suggesting that they are virtually certain to vote for John McCain. A slightly smaller number of the participants appeared to be in Obama's camp.

But nearly half of the group appeared legitimately uncertain, and their comments on the candidates, and on a sampling of McCain and Obama television commercials, offered insight into the hurdles facing each nominee.

Perhaps most striking was the almost unanimous and insistent demand that Obama and McCain be "accountable." This concern stood head and shoulders above calls for "change" or for a nominee who "understands the middle class" or "a candidate promising to resolve the Iraq War."

In many respects, these undecided voters were reminiscent of Ross Perot backers in 1992 and 1996, whose ranks were dominated by men and women who kept their books balanced and felt the government should do the same. By "accountability," the Luntz focus group members indicated that politicians should clearly spell out how they are going to pay for their promised agendas, should admit when policies will inflict some pain, and should avoid making commitments that they know cannot be fulfilled.

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"The biggest change of all would be just being accountable, man," one participant said. "It's not about change. Let's see what works, let's see what's accountable," replied another.

Luntz, talking to reporters who watched the session though a one-way mirror, said he was stunned by the depth of insistence on accountability. "This is a golden opportunity for either candidate to cut through the crap" and give voters a bottom-line accounting of his proposed programs' costs and how they will be met, he said.

Luntz contended that a failure to do this would be particularly dangerous for Obama. "If Obama comes across like the beautiful politician who has the words but not the solutions, they are going to [reject] him."

The reaction of the focus group participants to a collection of political ads provided a number of additional insights. The voters were all given electronic hand-held dials to indicate whether the liked or disliked what they saw.

Under prodding by Luntz, the participants divided themselves into two equal groups, one leaning to the Democrats, the other to Republicans. As they signaled their likes and dislikes on the electronic dials, two lines formed on a computerized graph so that it was possible to trace the patterns of each group.

One clear finding emerging from the focus group was that Democrats may be banking too optimistically on the notion that McCain's inability to remember the number of houses he and his wife own will significantly help Obama.

When the focus group was shown an Obama ad citing McCain's lack of knowledge of what he owns, the reaction was not as strong as the reaction to a McCain counter-ad citing the help convicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko provided to Obama in purchasing his own Hyde Park home.

"I really don't care how many houses you have, but it does matter how you got that house," a heavyset man declared.

McCain's ads over and over again beat Obama's in terms of the intensity of favorable reaction in this group, but McCain's high overall average numbers were driven by very positive reactions from 'Republican leaners,' while 'Democratic leaners' were often lukewarm. It was not unusual to have a 35 percentage point difference of opinion regarding the McCain ads -- with, for example, the Democratic leaners hovering at a neutral 50 percent and Republican leaners at 85 percent positive.

Conversely, Obama's ads were generally favorably received, but in a more modest 55 to 65 percent range. What stood out with the Obama ads was that, in contrast to the McCain commercials, there was very little difference between the average responses of Republican and Democratic leaners.

Among the possible interpretations of these patterns is that McCain may be able to pull in wavering voters who lean to the GOP, but he faces a tough time trying to convert undecided Democratic leaners. Conversely, Obama may need to raise the level and intensity of his efforts to win undecided voters, but Republican leaners may be less hostile to him than Democratic leaners are to McCain.

A majority of the voters in the focus group said they intend to watch all or most of the Democratic convention here, and most claim they remain open to being convinced by either candidate.

In actual practice, Obama will have to improve on Kerry's 2004 performance with a net gain of only one or two votes out of every 24 cast to win Colorado, while McCain must prevent the loss of even a tiny number of the votes Bush won in '04 in order to gain this state's nine electoral votes.

It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
It was only a single focus group, but if a message emerged from the 125 minute session with two dozen voters here in Denver -- chosen to participate because they said they were undecided -- it was tha...
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That's a great study? It gets written up and given a headline. Seventeen people with 12 of them having voted for Bush. Yet Luntz thinks he will get some insight into what"undecideds" want to know about Obama. When I read the first line I said this is not a group of undecideds. They had the republican talking points down pat. Regardless of what policy Obama details, tall the republican leaning pundits same the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/25/2008
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Luntz' name connected with anything assures skewed outcomes.

He really should be selling used cars. Preferably Yugos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 08/25/2008
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By what definition were these folks independents or undecideds? Sounds like Luntz assembled a group that was 2/3 -3/4 Republicans and 1/4-1/3 Democrats and passed them off as undecideds. Luntz is a Republican operative. This focus group has no validity and is not worthy of comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 08/25/2008

OBAMA CAMPAIGN:
HIT THE REPUBLICANS ON THEIR "COUNTRY CLUB ECONOMICS" ...THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET THAT MESSAGE... NO EXPLANATION NEEDED.

CREATE AN AD WITH PICTURES OF MCCAIN HIGH LIFE-HOMES, TRIPS, OUT-OF-TOUCH ECONOMICALLY (WHINERS, $5M, # OF HOMES UNKNOWN)

MCCAIN'S SENILITY..­...SHITES/­SUNNIS, AFGAN/IRAQ BORDER, # OF HOMES.

NOUN-VERB-POW PROBLEM...­DISGRACING OTHER POWS

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 08/25/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

Another example of Conventional Stupidity (pardon the pun) repeated ad nauseum by the media -

There's plenty of "meat on Obama's bones." If you drill deep into his website, you'll all the forty page position statements on just about every issue you could ever hope for.

All the wonky stuff is there. The problem is - little of it lends itself to :30 second sound bytes on the teevee.

Do your homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 08/25/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 49 fans permalink
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I really hate hypocrites. I am a Democrat, who registered Independent in protest, but I don't fool myself that I am INDEPENDENT! I have rarely voted republican, and I will NEVER vote for a republican president. I wish the hypocrites who "lean" republican like blowhard Lou Dobbs, et al would just admit they are republicans who registered Independent in protest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 08/25/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 44 fans permalink
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Trust me, they don't have to come out and say it. We all know it. Lou's Independent act is free license to have a go at either party........notice how Lou sits back and throws stones but never actually comes up with a solution.

And his lunch bucket, low information viewer base laps it up like the fools they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 08/25/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

And there you go again, Mr. Edsall, with your sensational headline as if all the people of Denver had been polled and came up with this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 08/25/2008
- shadow322 I'm a Fan of shadow322 7 fans permalink
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Republicans - If elected, Sen. McCain is going to have to deal with real world issues that can not be answered with "but I am a war hero."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 08/25/2008
- JeremyO I'm a Fan of JeremyO 3 fans permalink

Luntz has no credability. He is a Rove henchman, therefor everthing he says or does is complete trash worthy of the butterheads at FOX News..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 08/25/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

Obama has made several pithy policy speeches, but these people haven't paid attention, and the Republicans perpetrate the perception that Obama never did such a thing. BTW, I am sooooo glad my husband and I quit the AARP quite a while ago when it went along with Medicare Part D.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 08/25/2008
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If HRC doesn't come out publicly, not in a written statement, and attack the GOP, she is going to forever lose credibility in the dem party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/25/2008
- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

Could not agree more. She also has the ability to tell folks like Begala to back off - but she just lets it go on as it strokes her ego. H & B are now at the point, I believe, where they are playing good cop / bad cop (now he wants a different topic for speech). Much too transparent now. She should be recording an Obama-sponsored ad as we write.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 08/25/2008
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 35 fans permalink
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One thing I have come to conclude on the McSame campaign using Hill in their commercials ...

They are managing to ķill 3 birds with 1 stone ...

1. Destroy Sen O.'s character ( while at the same time courting Hill votes ) ...

2. Destroy Hill's future support among Democrats ( since most will see it as HER
attacking a fellow Democrat )...

3. Stay above the fray ( the man may be Old but cynicism is NOT lost on McSame )

HE ( McSame ) is single handedly decapitating the DEMOCRATIC PARTY for LIFE if we are STUPID
ENOUGH to fall for his moves ...

WAKE UP PEOPLE ... LET"S WIN THIS ...

Democrats '08 ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 08/25/2008
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Frank Luntz? This story is disqualified already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 08/25/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I mean come on he is putting meat on the bones folks in the media just keep saying he hasnt and the people believe what they hear in the media. I wish the American would learn to listen and think for themselves. Obama has gotten away from the lofty language in fact I'm one of those people that think he needs to go back to it. He has gotten away from it starting in PA and Ohio and it has not done him any good. He needs to energize his base but his focus has been too much on policies and not enough on inspiring the American people. The AMericna people need to learn to listen and think for themsevles and not just regurgitate MSM talking points.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 08/25/2008
- JohnIII I'm a Fan of JohnIII 8 fans permalink

That's because he has zero experience to draw from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 08/25/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

Brilliant

Heard about a guy that was concerned as he heard that O would not shake the soldiers hands in Iraq.

WTF - this guy if he wanted could find this out in a heart beat; because I do not watch MSM (ok I did watch the Olympics) I cannot say if any pictures of Obama in Iraq were shown on the telly but I know plenty of them are online.

Willfully ignorant translates into issues so other issues; this guy just was not bold enough to say whatever his true reason for not wanting Obama. I'd say pigmentation is his problem and no speech will fix the pigmentationally adverse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 08/25/2008

People really enjoy lying to themselves, they want substance and policy but wont bother to research for facts. They want "straight talk" but embrace and reward liars. They want accountability but respond to talking points. Unless you are a wealthy 5%er and you still are a Republican leaner after voting for Bush, you arent even accountable for your own vote, accountablity right. Never ceases to amaze me the lengths that people will go to to live the lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 08/25/2008
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