Iraqi leader insists on deadline for troop pullout

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QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA and ROBERT H. REID | August 25, 2008 09:50 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the Iraq Prime Minister's Office, Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, center, attends a tribal conference in the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, Aug. 25, 2008. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. (AP Photo/Iraq Prime Minister's Office)

BAGHDAD — Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dug in his heels Monday on the future of the U.S. military in Iraq, insisting that all foreign soldiers leave the country by a specific date in 2011 and rejecting legal immunity for American troops.

Despite the tough words, al-Maliki's aides insisted a compromise could be found on the two main stumbling blocks to an accord governing the U.S. military presence in Iraq after a United Nations mandate expires at the end of the year.

Last week, U.S. and Iraqi officials said the two sides agreed tentatively to a schedule that includes a broad pullout of combat troops by the end of 2011 with the possibility that a residual U.S. force might stay behind to continue training and advising Iraqi security services.

But al-Maliki's remarks indicated his government was not satisfied with that arrangement and wants all foreign troops gone by the end of 2011.

That cast doubt on whether an agreement is near and suggested al-Maliki is playing to a domestic audience frustrated by the war and eager for an end to the foreign military presence.

"There can be no treaty or agreement except on the basis of Iraq's full sovereignty," al-Maliki told a gathering of Shiite tribal sheiks. He said an accord must be based on the principle that "no foreign soldier remains in Iraq after a specific deadline, not an open time frame."

Al-Maliki said the U.S. and Iraq had already agreed on a full withdrawal of all foreign troops by the end of 2011 _ an interpretation that the White House challenged. Until then, the U.S. would not conduct military operations "without the approval" of the Iraqi government, al-Maliki said.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said negotiations with the Iraqis were continuing and repeated the U.S. position that the withdrawal must be linked to conditions in Iraq _ a clear difference with al-Maliki's interpretation of what had been agreed.

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"Any decisions on troops will be based on the conditions on the ground in Iraq. That has always been our position and continues to be our position," Fratto said Monday in Crawford, Texas. "There is no agreement until there is an agreement signed."

Fratto said the U.S. was "optimistic that Iraq and the U.S. can reach a mutual agreement on flexible goals" and allow "Iraqi forces to provide security for a sovereign Iraq."

President Bush has long resisted a timetable for removing troops from Iraq, even under strong pressure from an American public distressed by U.S. deaths and discouraged by the length of the war that began in 2003.

Last month, however, Bush reversed course and agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing troops home, based on Iraq's ability to provide for its own security. But the Iraqis insisted they want a specific schedule.

"We find this to be too vague," a close al-Maliki aide told The Associated Press on Monday. "We don't want the phrase 'time horizons.' We are not comfortable with that phrase," said the aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations.

Another top al-Maliki aide, also speaking on condition of anonymity for the same reason, said the Iraqi government had "stopped talking about the withdrawal of combat troops. We just talk about withdrawals," including trainers and logistics troops.

U.S. and Iraqi officials said last week they had agreed to remove American combat troops from Iraq's cities by next June, withdrawing to bases where they could be summoned if necessary. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, but the plan appeared in line with a U.S. strategy to turn urban security over to Iraqi police.

During his Monday address, al-Maliki also suggested the question of legal immunity for U.S. military personnel or contractors remains a sticking point in the negotiations.

The draft agreement provides that private U.S. contractors would be subject to Iraqi law but the Americans are holding firm that U.S. troops would remain subject exclusively to U.S. legal jurisdiction. The U.S. has ruled out allowing American soldiers to face trial in Iraqi courts.

But al-Maliki said his country could not grant "open immunity" to Iraqis or foreigners because that would be tantamount to a violating the "sanctity of Iraqi blood." He did not elaborate.

One of the al-Maliki aides said he believed language could be found to overcome differences over the withdrawal schedule but immunity was a tougher issue to resolve.

U.S. officials in Washington have privately expressed frustration over the Iraqi stand in the negotiations, which were supposed to have ended by July 31. The agreement must be approved by Iraq's factious 275-member parliament, where opposition to a deal is strong.

It appeared al-Maliki was seeking to bolster his nationalist credentials ahead of provincial elections late this year and a national ballot in 2009.

Al-Maliki's Shiite allies face a strong challenge from followers of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, long an opponent of the U.S. presence. The prime minister's strong statements in support of an end to immunity and for a firm withdrawal timetable would make it difficult for him to accept an agreement that falls short of his public demands.

In violence Monday, an American soldier was mortally wounded in a shooting attack on his foot patrol in north Baghdad, the U.S. military said. An Associated Press tally shows at least 4,147 U.S. military personnel have died in the Iraq war since it began in March 2003.

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Associated Press writers Sameer N. Yacoub and Hamza Hendawi contributed to this report.

BAGHDAD — Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dug in his heels Monday on the future of the U.S. military in Iraq, insisting that all foreign soldiers leave the country by a specific date in 2011 and ...
BAGHDAD — Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dug in his heels Monday on the future of the U.S. military in Iraq, insisting that all foreign soldiers leave the country by a specific date in 2011 and ...
 
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 08/26/2008

Kind of flies in the face of the administrations constant two-faced comments doesn't it?

I guess George, Dick and Condi were just kidding when they said:
"Iraq is a sovreign nation, we'll leave when they ask us too".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 08/25/2008
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Thumbs up for the Iraqis, hang in there, not long to go. Now the only thing to watch is what is the Veep going to stir up in Georgia now? They have to do something to help Mc Twit along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 08/25/2008

If the democratically elected government of Iraq asks the US to leave, we will. This deal really puts the pin in the "war for oil" balloon that so many posters here have floated, as the republican executive branch has agreed to it. Hard to steal oil when your not there, isn't it?

The world is significantly safer without Saddam, his weapons programs will never be reconstituted and the terrible sanctions regime has been lifted. Al Qaeda has suffered a embarrassing public defeat at our hands and now has been nearly driven from the country. Most importantly, there is no longer an internal faction that will be able to stand in the way of the Iraqi security forces. The only democracy in the Middle East (other than Israel, of course) will continue to develop and grow. Even taking into account the horrifying loss of life, what can I say but "Mission Accomplished".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 08/25/2008

why are cons so dumb??

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/maliki_bush_admin_clash_on_pullout.php

Agree To Disagree? Maliki, Bush Admin Clash On Status Of Pullout Agreement

Maliki was promptly shot down by the White House, which maintained there is no pullout date.

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Seems you have been living under a rock.

a) The WMD lie was debunked years ago.

b) Saddam was impotent and could not even fly a plane in his own country.

c) Democracy would have been possible from the secular country he ran. Now they are just a bunch of ultra religious warring tribes. No democracy there.

d) The "democratic" government of Iraq is just a puppet government of the US. Maliki is just expressing what the tribe leaders want.

e) We ARE there for oil.

f) The rest of your post is just so assinine is not worth further spanking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 08/25/2008

Hang in there Iraq. Trust me, you can't trust these SOB's. The horizon is just that. Something to screw you with, later. Just keep moving the date earlier and insisting that Americans are subject to your laws for any illegal actions.

Tony Fratto is a windbag for Bush and everyday closer to the end of the year gives you more negotiations strength! I wonder what they have to say about being there against your will and without the UN mandate they corruptly go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 08/25/2008
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Any comments henceforth to defend staying or continued occupation can be looked upon as the illogical ramblings of warmongers, or whores of war seeking the spoils of illegal and unjustified war.


Why any one would defend staying in Iraq escapes me, and yes, I am aware of the reemergence of Al-Qaeda argument. The Iraqi"s are aware of that argument as well and I would think they know it is in their best interest to make sure such a reemergence does not occur. We can be their long distance partner for peace rather than their occupying parent for continued and unjust war of unspecified length and reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/25/2008
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It is not only for Iraq to maintain security in its own Country, but also to be able to defend themselves against attack from another Country. Their Air Force is not ready for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 08/25/2008
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Rogue,

Thanks for an intelligent comment. I have to answer it with a moral riddle. Iraq was not in jeopardy of being attacked by other countries (except Iran and both sides were still licking wounds from a previous war) before American occupation. Since America made Iraq susceptible to regime change from outside via regime change from outside, are we now committed forever to remain inside of Iraq? I am asking this of myself as well as you. That is why I said your comment was intelligent -- it forces you to think about military strategy and tactics, but all questions for me rest upon morality, for bad foundations lead to crumbling structures in future times, war efforts must be moral.

As a non-military person who is very aware of how to survive as a warrior defending life, I will say that a small air support footprint, within striking distance (Kuwait?) beyond 2011 might be acceptable. From a capitalist point of view, how about America selling Iraq designs and consulting services for air/missile defense systems and certain types of air force training and aircraft? Iraq is sitting on a bundle of cash and they need to bring back millions of refugees with the promise of jobs and stability. America can help but not run the country. We have problems at home to deal with and other hot pockets or flare ups of trouble around the world. We have done enough in Iraq.

Thanks again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 08/25/2008
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Because McCain needs something called National Security Credentials to shove in front of Americans so that he can measure himself against Obama. That or attack Russia.

McCain has no platform so he's made the platform Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 08/25/2008
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Absolutely collprof, McCain is empty of substance. He is not a straw man but a hollow man full of manufactured greatness that upon close examination is found to be consistent with air.

I always tell salespeople not to tell me what "their competitor" can and cannot do for me, but what it is "they" can and cannot do for me. The ones" who insist on or persist in such approaches, I show the door and I make no allowances for shining my door knob on the fabric of their garb as I close the door on their dog and pony show of duplicity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 08/25/2008
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Sounds like he has signed his own death warrent.

How long will he last?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 08/25/2008
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Not long..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 08/25/2008

The US has no legal basis to insist on anything.
THough that will not stop McCain from staying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 08/25/2008

Hey, al-Maliki, we the American people want out of your country also. It is only our Republican moronic leadership that is keeping us there. Let me be the first to apologize for what we have done to your country.I am also sorry that we have not tried the Bush administration for war crimes committed against your country. If it was up to me, the trials would have already begun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 08/25/2008

Hang tough Irag, the GOP punks will be toast soon enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 08/25/2008

Hang tough Iran, the GOP will be toast soon enough.

Fixed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/25/2008

Every intelligent and practical person (Obama or Iraqi leader) embarking on a enterprise WILL HAVE a plan/outline of their action, along with a projected time line of their activities.
Not so the dumb bush-McCaint. lol

It is obvious why Iraq and Georgia were such huge debacles and embarrassments: The careless wild bush-McCaint don't have plans and projected TIMETABLES for their warmongering enterprises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 08/25/2008

You had me until you blamed Bush for the invasion in Georgia. Then, you lost me completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/25/2008

The you do not understand why we were trying to get Georgia into NATO. It was to put our Missile Defense System on their border. You would be the first to raise your voice if Russia was putting Missiles on our borders like Cuba, Canada or anywhere in South America. Stop being a hypocrite or educate yourself on why Russia is making their moves. The Bush administration has destroyed what previous presidents took 50 years to accomplish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/25/2008
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Sounds to me like, as Bush runs out the clock on the his presidency stubbornly holding the party line on the Iraq war, the Iraqis are themselves running out the clock on the Bush presidency, hoping to stall any settlements until someone a bit more sane is occupying the WH. Unfortunately, another two soldiers from my state were killed over the last week in order for Bush to run the clock out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/25/2008
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If the un-American GOP had its way, we'd stay in Iraq until Exxon-Mobile has wrung the last penny from that oil rich country!
Then, and only then, would the GOP even consider leaving!

The Iraq Oil War has been the single best thing to happen to the GOP's campaign coffers since women started voting and lynching became illegal down in the sewer states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 08/25/2008

American oil companies combined produce about 3% of the world's oil, yet they are the enemies.

That logic dumbfounds me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 08/25/2008
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They are why Iran's and Iraq's democratic Govs were overthrown in the 1950's

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/25/2008
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3% of worlds oil and 0 royalties to the american people since Bush took office.

Dunbfounds me too, how easy and cheaply you sell out. All for them 0 for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 08/25/2008

The war was for "cheap" oil, not $100+ a barrel, which doesn't enrich Exxon-Mobile, it enriches Iraq, Iran, Russia, Venezuela and all the rest of the OPEC oil producers, many of whom the GOP calls "enemies."

So they went to war for "cheap" oil and got the opposite, causing the greatest transfer of wealth from the U.S. to our enemies in history.

Talk about "unintended consequences."

Good going guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 08/27/2008
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Silly Iraqis.
You Iraqis honestly think you have any say in the running of your country?

Ha ha ha ha ha...stop, you're killing me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 08/25/2008

Boboday555: GW Bush and company is running Iraq, I think Malaki has been talking about us leaving, for over a year, < 2011 IS WAAAAAY TO LONG

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 08/25/2008

anybody doubt that the iraqi govt is just a puppet of iran? we basically handed over a fourth of the world's oil to iran which hates us more than the iraqis....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 08/25/2008

Good argument to finally get off our oil addiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 08/25/2008

If you want to weed yourself off oil, then you better be ready to weed yourself off plastic as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/25/2008

You can thank GWB for that monumental stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/25/2008

Well, it only cost us about a trillion dollars and 2300 American lives to give Iran that little gift, the elimination of their counterbalance in the Mid East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 08/25/2008

So what you are saying is...let me get this right...is that the world was a better place with Saddam Hussein in power than it is now or will be in the future with a free Iraq?

Do I have that right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 08/25/2008

Oh right, and most of our standing in the world and our economy and our ability to deal with real threats, and our ability to finish off Osama Bin Laden which is the most annoying of all of these failures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 08/25/2008

Puppet of Iran ?

What nonsense !

To Shiites everywhere Iran is and always has been ally, mentor, protector, and friend. Shiites feel about Iran the way Orthodox Serbs and Bulgarians feel about Russia. And that is their choice. They understand that the neocons had always intended to use their country as a base for attacks on Iran and they are flatly refusing to let that happen. They are flatly refusing to give the neocons the "fruits of victory (i.e. permanent American bases)" that Krauthammer and Kristol longed for. They are not going to allow Americans to become the new British. They will not give America any kind of a free hand militarily in their country.

That is why they are flatly refusing to accept any "conditions on the ground (i.e., We Americans will leave when we feel like it and not a second sooner. if ever.)" loophole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 08/25/2008

They used us. The Shiites used us to overthrow Saddam. Bush thought he was being clever -- thought he could invade, occupy an oil rich nation, and drill for cheap oil. Now they're upholding a contract China agreed on with Saddam to drill for oil in Iraq, while the U.S. is being told to get out of the country.

Who do you think has the last laugh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 08/27/2008
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Silly Iraqis.
Do you honestly think the Bush regime and the GOP are going to voluntarily walk away form an Oil War that pours literally tens of millions of dollars into the GOP's campaign coffers and billions of dollars into GOP contributor's bank accounts?

Democracy, as any real American can tell, is a nice idea but it no longer exists in America and therefore how can we hope to bring it to Iraq???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 08/25/2008
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Keep hope alive. Vote with your dollar. If you don't buy it, they can't sell it. Walk, run, cycle, use public transit, do whatever it takes. Cut your oil consumption (and your junk consumption) by half and bring them all to their knees. You have all the power, express your feelings with every dollar you spend. It will require a great deal of discipline but you can do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 08/25/2008

Now...if you can only get 1 billion Chinese and 500 million Indians to buy into your plan, then you'd have something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 08/25/2008

Those "silly Iraqis" are raking in billions for their oil.

The whole idea was to keep them poor by suppressing the price to maybe $20 a barrel, but now we're the ones getting poorer while they get richer.

Obviously, things didn't turn out the way they planned.

I see it as poetic justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 08/27/2008
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