Here's Why I Am With Joe Biden

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First Posted: 08-27-08 03:37 AM   |   Updated: 09-26-08 05:12 AM

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Karl Miller -- a terrific blogger and thinker who I've been fortunate enough to get to know through my extracurricular activities -- has got a post up about Delaware Senator and vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, that's worth a long look in advance of his speech tonight at the Democratic National Convention. In it, Miller reflects on a key moment in Biden's recent past that deserves highlighting.

Enter Joe Biden. I remember feeling instant admiration for the man when, channel-surfing four years ago, I saw him in a C-SPAN clip (is there any better way to catch C-SPAN?). It was during one of his Judiciary Committee hearings and he was smacking around John Ashcroft for defending Abu Ghraib. At the time, there wasn't much of a formal debate about torture. This was well before Cheney attempted publicly to codify torture and toss out the Geneva Conventions. The theatrical sadists of Abu Ghraib were defended and dismissed as bad-apple frat house kids. And unlike Cheney's subsequent row with Congress, there was no specific policy at stake and therefore no focal point for sustained discussion. We swallowed the shame and re-elected Bush. But for a brief moment, our cruelty and hypocrisy were held in lyric suspension by the most powerful image to cross the national Imaginary since the panoramic hellscape of 9/11...


Joe Biden was one of a few people to correctly intuit and loudly decry the basic moral failure of Abu Ghraib. Instead of making it another pissy bullet point for Bush's managerial incompetence, he made it a deeply personal issue of right and wrong. As the father of a soldier, he knew that the horrors of Abu Ghraib now gave the enemy license to practice the same indignity on his son. Held to this fatherly imperative, the Bushies didn't look tough or confident anymore -- they looked like pube-less bullies playing dress-up with dad's clothing.

The clip that Miller is referring to was one I don't think I'll ever forget. Biden was straight righteous that day, barely keeping his anger at the diseased reign of torturing brigands that have so sullied the name of this great nation in check. Up to that moment, I'll admit, I harbored my fair share of misgivings about the man. But against the backdrop of Abu Ghraib, and the plain truth of Biden's words, I couldn't hold those misgivings anymore. They seemed extremely petty. And you know what? Compared to the grievous sin of torture -- committed in our name, endangering our fighting men and women -- they were.

Jon Stewart knew that attention must be paid:

That's the man that you'll see speaking tonight on the convention floor. He's the guy Barack Obama picked for the campaign against the man who never lets you forget how he got tortured, all the while hoping you'll not remember how he punked out when his moment came to say: "No way, no how, no torture." For all the talk that he's the sort of guy who might say the wrong thing, on this regard, Joe Biden is speaking very loud and clear. Tell your friends.

Karl Miller -- a terrific blogger and thinker who I've been fortunate enough to get to know through my extracurricular activities -- has got a post up about Delaware Senator and vice presidential nomi...
Karl Miller -- a terrific blogger and thinker who I've been fortunate enough to get to know through my extracurricular activities -- has got a post up about Delaware Senator and vice presidential nomi...
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- seatea1967 I'm a Fan of seatea1967 3 fans permalink

Funny... that is EXACTLY the reason I was so pleased to hear of his nomination. That exact moment. I saw it on the news that day and was blown away that someone in our government really GOT IT. I will always have a warm spot in my heart for Joe Biden for that moment.

In WWII, German soldiers threw down their arms and surrendered to my Grandfather's brothers-in-arms because they knew they would be fed, housed, clothed and well-treated. We'll never know how many lives were saved because of their knowledge that the would not be tortured or ill-treated.

The same applied to the first gulf war in 1991. Iraqi soldiers surrendered to American troops as soon as they had the chance.

If you think that would happen today, you're crazy. When the enemy knows they'll be tortured without a thought, they'll fight to the last man. This torture policy is going to continue to cost American lives for as long as it takes to repair our moral standing in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/27/2008
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 240 fans permalink
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You are spot on. It is one of the reasons that Hit ler's invasion of Rus sia was a failure. The Rus sians knew they would be tortured and or executed so they never surrendered. It galvanizes your enemies against you, does not provide reliable information, and results in our soldiers being tortured in retribution. It is the doom of men that they forget the lessons of the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/27/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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I wish the torture issue had been on the public's mind when they voted for bush in 2004. It's hard to say. Some empty headed people base their view of torture upon what the jerk hero in the show 24 does.

Christ! I wish there were a God. [/irony]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/27/2008

Freaking a, Joe Biden is the man. I love this ticket. This is the best damn democratic ticket since, EVER.

Obama-Biden

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/27/2008
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 240 fans permalink
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If republicans could see past their own noses and were capable of critical thought they would understand why we can't torture. It is pathetic that Joe even had to explain it. Makes my blood boil. Can't wait to see Joe rip em up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/27/2008
- DMHendrix I'm a Fan of DMHendrix 97 fans permalink
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Good man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/27/2008

I love Joe Biden, and I can't wait to see him kick Mitt and McBush from one end of the country to the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 08/27/2008

Biden serves a purpose...­attack dog.

www.2pennypost.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 08/27/2008
- happypup I'm a Fan of happypup 5 fans permalink

Yep - he will do that well., But, just in case you hadn't noticed - he offers a lot more than that. O made the right choice - of that I am sure!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/27/2008
- Speakchic I'm a Fan of Speakchic 4 fans permalink

Joe Biden is John McCain's worse nightmare which is evidenced by every surrogate of his in trying to use Biden's words (when he was RUNNING against Obama). Joe Biden is the man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 08/27/2008
- abigail1 I'm a Fan of abigail1 36 fans permalink

I cannot wait for his speech, but even more I cannot wait for him to wipe the floor with Mittens or whoever McCain picks. It's gonna be fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/27/2008
- DebM I'm a Fan of DebM 3 fans permalink

I love Joe Biden and actually would have voted for him in the primary had he remained in the race up until the Pennsylvania primary. He is a compelling individual, and he was the right choice for Obama.

I am terrified of a McCain/anyone presidency and don't understand how this race can be as close as it is. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the 6 million Americans living abroad will vote overwhelmingly for Obama and will not somehow be cheated out of their votes by the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/27/2008
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Deb - stay away from the polls - as I'm learning they are useless...­i don't judge using them anymore...
I judge by what I see and the reactions of others.
I know that if I feel good about this dynamic duo - then many others will feel the same.
Do not despair - it's the media just earning their dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 08/27/2008

Good one Joe - but there is another reason. When the enemy fighters know they will be treated humanely they are more apt to surrender. This has worked to our advantage time and time again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 08/27/2008
- AMERIKA I'm a Fan of AMERIKA 15 fans permalink

Me too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 08/27/2008
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I adore this man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 08/27/2008

I agree and love it! Someone with a backbone.

But from a humorous angle, in this clip he reminds me of an ancient Jim Carrey character from In Living Color -- Fire Marshall Bill. ;)

http://www.spike.com/video/in-living-color/2681990

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/27/2008
- Knowitall I'm a Fan of Knowitall 74 fans permalink

Yep, and Mittens Romney reminds me of the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/27/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 49 fans permalink

Joe Biden bears watching & he will be watched very closely tonight & thereafter. You can be sure of that, Jason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/27/2008
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