Source: Petraeus submitted report on troop cuts

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ROBERT BURNS | August 30, 2008 06:25 AM EST | AP



WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, has given his military superiors and Defense Secretary Robert Gates his initial recommendation on when to resume a U.S. troop withdrawal and at what pace, a senior military officer close to the process said Friday.

The officer, who spoke to The Associated Press only on condition that he not be identified, said Petraeus was still analyzing the situation and had not yet submitted a final set of recommendations. That is expected to happen within the next week or so, but there is no firm deadline.

The officer would not provide any specifics of Petraeus' initial recommendation. He was granted anonymity because of the sensitivity of Petraeus' deliberations and because they are not completed.

Petraeus is widely expected to conclude that the outlook in Iraq _ politically as well as militarily _ has brightened enough in recent months to merit more troop cuts this fall. At Petraeus' recommendation, President Bush halted the drawdown when the last of five Army brigades, sent in 2007 as reinforcements, pulled out in mid-July; Petraeus wanted time to analyze the impact of losing those five brigades.

His recommendations to Gates and to Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on how to proceed this fall will go to Bush for a final decision, likely in September.

Estimates of how deeply Petraeus would suggest cutting this autumn have generally ranged from one to two combat brigades, or roughly 3,500 to 7,000 troops. But some recent developments might argue for smaller reductions. That includes the unanticipated pullout of Georgian troops following the invasion of their country by Russia and a delay in holding Iraqi provincial elections.

There currently are 15 combat brigades in Iraq and a total of 146,000 troops, including tens of thousands that perform support, rather than direct combat, functions.

U.S. and Iraqi officials are working on a security agreement that would include at least a notional timeline for phasing out U.S. forces, to include a pullback of combat troops from Iraqi cities by June 2009 and a broader withdrawal by the end of 2011. That is separate from Petraeus' recommendations to Gates, which are thought to be focused more on shorter-term reductions.

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Petraeus, along with his soon-to-be-successor, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, and the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Lloyd Austin, has been doing what he calls "battlefield calculus" _ studying ways of adjusting the positioning of U.S. troops in Iraq to possibly enable an overall reduction.

The commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq, for example, has said he could get by with fewer troops because security there has improved markedly and Iraq's army and police have gotten better. Security is more of an issue in areas north and northeast of Baghdad.

Based on that study, results of which have been provided by Petraeus to his superiors in Washington _ and weighing a range of other factors such as trends in the level of violence _ Petraeus has come up with "tentative recommendations" to Gates and others, the senior military officer said.

"However, the analysis is still ongoing and no decisions have yet been made," the officer said.

Adding to the calculations on troop reductions in Iraq is a growing concern in the U.S. government about a resurgent Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan and unfulfilled demands by U.S. commanders there for more U.S. troops. Significant additions in Afghanistan can't happen without reductions in Iraq.

Col. Peter Mansoor, who served as a close adviser to Petraeus in Baghdad until recently and is retiring from the Army in September, said in a telephone interview Thursday that while he is not involved in Petraeus' new assessment, he sees little reason to think that Petraeus would resist troop cuts.

"It's my belief, given the improvement in the security situation in Iraq, that there will be a continued withdrawal of U.S. forces, as promised by Gen. Petraeus at his last congressional hearing, later this fall," Mansoor said.

The senior military officer who disclosed that Petraeus had made an initial recommendation also told the AP that Afghanistan and other factors, such as war strains on the overall U.S. military, are considered in Petraeus' calculations on troop levels but are not decisive factors.

There is no specific deadline for Petraeus to submit his final recommendation, although it is expected before he turns over the U.S. military command in Baghdad in mid-September to Odierno. Petraeus' next assignment is as commander of U.S. Central Command, where he will be responsible for U.S. military involvement across the Middle East and Central Asia, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

It would be a major surprise if Petraeus did not recommend that troop reductions resume soon. In May, when he testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee, he suggested he was leaning in that direction.

"My sense is that I will be able to make a recommendation at that time for some further reductions," he said, referring to September. He made a point of saying then that the cuts might be modest.

"But I do believe there will be certain assets that, as we are already looking at the picture right now, we'll be able to recommend can be either redeployed or not deployed to the theater in the fall," he said.

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, has given his military superiors and Defense Secretary Robert Gates his initial recommendation on when to resume a U.S. troop wi...
WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, has given his military superiors and Defense Secretary Robert Gates his initial recommendation on when to resume a U.S. troop wi...
 
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Looks like Petraeus pockets are empty and he is cutting and running.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/30/2008

The reduction of troops - was anathema to the President Bush's administration before the Iran 'nuclear' crisis. The surge certainly was a problem of troop availability. Much concessions were made to the Sunnis and arming them to the teeth was meant to embroil the Iraqi government with internal strife as even my faithful hound would surmise.

And it was nice of the Iraqi government to begin this by starting the campaign. The fundamental objective was freeing US troops for the OTHER mission. And this is now getting close to fulfillment.

The Russian response to the delusional Georgian President meant that the planned attack across Turkey will not happen after the Russians destroyed two years of preparations for the onslaught by the US and Israel.

The alternative is through Jordan and Iraq. Very difficult if not political suicidal for the US. But one wonders if the Israeli leadership cares, now that Olmert has been told to go home and Benyameen Natanyaho and Barak are at the helm.

The alternative is landing of Special Forces and some 20K Expeditionary Force to attack Iranian rocket sites threatening the US Armada in the Gulf, followed by massive air and rocket strikes at nuclear installations. A tough course.

So, celebrations for the return of our troops we shall not have. It is redeployment in direct harms way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 08/30/2008

When an UNPROVOKED war is fought, a lot of LIES & DECEPTIONS come into play.
Makes sense; since those who will be warmongers will also find lying 'par for the course' of destructive behaviors.

Using MERCENARIES, allow a deceptive administration to under-report the number of Americans actually in harms way and the number that is killed in this UNPROVOKED war!

Another part of the deception is hide the 'body bags' of falling soldiers; because the wild bush IS NOT proud of his destructive actions in Iraq.

When a policeman falls in the line of duty, his funeral IS RIGHTLY PUBLIC, so that his locality can morn him!

When a soldier falls in Iraq, in the McCaint-bush war, he's not mourned by the nation; because that soldier really fell NOT FOR THE NATION, but for McCain't-bush!

No one is held accountable for the incompetence leading up to 911.

No one is held accountable for the lies and deceptions that have Americans losing lives and limbs in Iraq.

No one is held accountable for the relative lack of response before, during and after Hurricane Katrina.

When no one is held accountable for wrong actions and incompetence, these wrongs MUST continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 08/30/2008

How many Blackwater "troops" aka mercenaries are there? They are paid more than our government troops. Are they swelling their ranks to make up for "troop" withdrawals?

II wish someone would report how many taxpayer dollars are going into the Blackwater forces in Iraq.

I also wish that some debate moderator would question McCain or Obama on their take on Blackwater. I would hope Obama would like our government to disassociate itself with Blackwater due to the costs and the embarrassment that comes from the Bush administration giving them immunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 08/30/2008

yes we need blackwater due to the previous admin cutting our military from 14 divisions down to 7, that along with some very fancy book work and viola, balanced budget, but we sure are paying for it now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 08/30/2008

If we didn't invade Iraq how many divisions would we need? Invading third world countries takes troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/30/2008
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Petraeus running out of U.S. dollars to hand out, submits report on troop cuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 08/30/2008

Are people so stupid that they don't realize that the desire to keep troops in Iraq is essentially job security for Gen. Petraeus? He knows that Bush is so stupid he will follow anything that Petraeus says so the longer he can keep troops in Iraq the better his resume looks and the better off he will be when he retires and goes to work for some military contractor.

The Founding Fathers understood that if you have military people making policy (as Petraeus does) they will be driven to keep the military engaged in what ever war is going on because it justifies their being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 08/30/2008

The ENTIRE underpinning of the surge is supposed to be that it would buy time for the Iraqi POLITICAL situation to stabilize and improve.

What is frustrating is we hear about the military situation from our media and politicians, but it is completely meaningless without discussing the broader context of what is going on politically in Iraq.

What is the status of the Iraqi military and police? What about the debate about how the oil revenues will be distributed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 08/30/2008

The war is old news. It's now about Palin and Obama. GO OBAMA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 08/30/2008
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At what point does Petraeaus stop being "Gen. BetrayUs"?

Was he really lying at those congressional hearings last September when Hillary said he was lying?

It seems like he wasn't lying.

I'm just glad the thing looks like it's ending soon, with a more postive than expected result. For now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 08/30/2008

This story is from the AP? Does that stand for Asinine Pandering? They have now become just like Fixed Noise with Fournier working for them, Biased R Us. Cannot wait until January 20, 2009 when Obama is the President and he cuts all access off to the fake journalist from Asinine Pandering (AP) and Fixed Noise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 08/30/2008
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Has anyone seen 'Stop Loss'? It is the saddest and most infuriating movie about the back door draft that is going on right now. The stats at the end of it state over 600,000 troop have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistand and out of those, 81,000 have been stop-lossed at least once. No statistics exist on the number of 'surge' troops that have been screwed by and lied to by the military. It's a difficult movie to watch and includes some real soldiers who have lost multiple limbs, but you will not be able to get them out of your mind. The pschycological trauma they sustain may never be treated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 08/30/2008
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it's time to set a timetable for withdrawal. the longer we stay, the weaker our military gets. it's time to pull-out and regroup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 08/30/2008
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The "timetable for withdrawal" is not necessary, if you mean to set and "end date" for all troops to leave.

The withdrawl will take place as conditions allow it to proceed. Because conditions have improved (for various reasons, one being the Surge), troops can come home.

Anytime you withdraw troops, there is a timeline for the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/30/2008

Well sure, John has said 100 years would be okay. Is that what you mean? What are Bush and Maliki agreeing to? A timetable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 08/30/2008

I hope they ask this decorated military leader how he feels about having Sarah ("what does the Vice President do") as his boss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/30/2008
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He would never answer that question. He would, as most, if not all, active Generals, that such political appointments are the province of the President or nominees and that the military does not interfere in such decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/30/2008

Not to mention he is known as General Sycophant in the Military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 08/30/2008

Cut and Run!!! Cut and Run!!!

Why does General Patreus hate America and our troops?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 08/30/2008
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Petraeus' surge was designed to do one thing, protect the Green Zone. The surge didn't make life for a single Iraqi better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 08/30/2008
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"The surge didn't make life for a single Iraqi better."

Essentially correct. Bribes have made the lives of some Iraqis better ... for at least a little while. The displacement of one-fifth of the population - half of them exiled outside Iraq - has made the lives of some Iraqis a little better. But just as the invasion and occupation itself had nothing to do with making the lives of Iraqis better, the surge wasn't meant to serve that purpose either. It was designed to create a perimeter around the Green Zone large enough to keep mortar fire out of it, and to take away some of the excuses of Iraqi political leaders who refused to legislate because it was too dangerous to even congregate.

The surge was just another tactic emanating from the posture and philosophy of imperial hubris. If we'd left 5 years ago, by now, the Iraqis might have already settled their differences - or cleaved the country into more natural segments - or both. Instead, it continues to cost us 3.7 billion dollars a week.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 08/30/2008
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Actually the seriously-deferred task of training Iraqi soldiers got a lot more steam in 2006 and 2007 under General Casey. The number of trained Iraqi troops is far greater than it was two years ago and some of them are even properly trained so that affects the situation probably more than the surge and combined with the Sunni Awakening is a big reason for progress there. That and the fact much ethnic cleansing occurred before the surge started.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/30/2008

Rember a couple of years ago when the administration was indicating they could train the Iraqi troops in was it 60 or 90 days? Get serious in those conditions it probably takes a good year or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 08/30/2008
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