Alaska Independence Party Founder Broadcast Hatred Of America

Talking Points Memo:

The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."

The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made the comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

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Comments

[FollowTheLeader]

They are pulling all of the AIP videos from You tube, download them fast. Here's one with a damming statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE8A3lsydzQ&feature=related

[KBAR]

They?
Who is THEY?

[SeriousBlack]

And just try to wrap your heads around what the MSM would be doing if either Obama or Biden had belonged to such an organization...

[KBAR]

They are.

[FollowTheLeader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ

[KBAR]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/alaska-party-official-says-palin-was-not-a-member/?apage=3

September 2, 2008, 10:32 pm
Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member
By The New York Times

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s secession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.

A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990’s.

[obamasOHangel]

"said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group."

Wonder how much they paid her.

[KBAR]

http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-was-never-registered-in-the-alaskan-independence-party-but-todd-palin-was/

[KBAR]

Alaska voter registration records show that Sarah Palin has always been a registered Republican.

[obamasOHangel]

Dexter Clark, an Alaskan Independence Party vice chairman, brought up Palin's ties to the group in videotaped remarks to the second North American Secessionist Convention in October in Chattanooga, Tenn.

"She was an AIP member before she got the job as the mayor of a small town," Clark told the group. "That was a nonpartisan job. But you get along to go along. She eventually joined the Republican Party."

[KBAR]

http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-was-never-registered-in-the-alaskan-independence-party-but-todd-palin-was/

[Sparty1]

Don't bother. KBAR won't pay this any attention. He'll assume that of course everyone else is lying on Gov. Palin, but he's quick to slam the Obamas about being patriotic. She and her husband were members of a group that didn't want to be part of America, but I guess that's okay.

[Zeje]

Her husband was a member. She attended their conventions.

[Belleweathered]

McCain, say bye-bye to Florida!

Palin's "rev. wright" problem. Pastor spewing anti-semitic vitriol while she sat there, just last week!
Andrew Sullivan has it on The Atlantic as does Politico and Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/3/84555/55316/359/584418

[infpinfp]

Finally made MSM:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story

From the Los Angeles Times

[obamasOHangel]

That's great, but with Tucker Bounds already commenting and dismissing the story it will be quickly buried. Lucky them!

[obamasOHangel]

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American," Vogler is quoted as saying elsewhere on the party’s website. "I've got no use for America or her da.m.ned institutions."

The party supports a plebiscite on four options that it says Alaskans were entitled to vote on before becoming a state in 1959: Form a sovereign nation of their own, become a state, accept commonwealth status similar to Puerto Rico's, or remain a U.S. territory.

Leaders of the party say many of its 13,681 registered members have joined out of frustration over restrictions that the federal government has placed on the use of its vast land holdings in Alaska. Beyond the secession vote, the party also advocates gun rights, home schooling and abolition of property taxes.

[KBAR]

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[vinny]

appears they are changing the url...

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,4860807.story

[sherbug]

I think this will be a deal breaker. This won't play in the heartland where patriotism is no joke.

[vinny]

AIP make some good arguments for a vote on statehood... unfortunately, alaska at this point won't be allowed to leave the union... i think it is really important for Palin to address her views about AIP and their "vision" which she states she fully supports...

[Belleweathered]

Oh and she hates Jewish people, too.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html
Her "rev. wright" problem...

[chronic]

Will this make the mainstream media.


Of course not, they aren't black.

[LAB10]

Palin hates America and wants out!!! No wonder they're eager to discuss teen pregnancy!

[vinny]

you got it... it will be all distraction from here on out...

[helonias]

We don't say we are Americans we say we are Alaskans

[RedKnuckles]

Could you say a bit more about that? Inquiring minds want to know....

[OverIt]

Why is this not the main headline here? This is a huge story and it only gets a small icon. The double standard is alive and kicking.

[ThankGodforAtheists]

I think the GOP wants the pregnacy story to stay alive. They know most people really don't care about it and it keeps all the other stuff from being discussed.

[barackobama4prez]

And they crucified Michelle for being REALLY proud of her country.

[KBAR]

And they crucified Michelle

It's not over. The Angela Davis look-a-like is going to have to answer for her 'never being proud' in a lifetime statements.

[Df7702]

And that tina fey look-alike is going to have to answer for being a traitor .

whats worst idiot ?

[barackobama4prez]

You racists will not rule in America. We will defeat you and you will have to adjust, just like after the civil war and de-segregation. America is moving forward. Get on board or wallow in your ignorance, alone.

[chronic]

KBAR, you are too du mb to realize, you and your demonic ilk have already lost.

[SeriousBlack]

ummm... I believe she DID answer for the "proud" flap in her speech last Tuesday. (Although, of course, she was answering for the "first time I'm really proud of my country" statement, NOT the way you distorted it.)

[KBAR]

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaWife.htm

[Df7702]

Why John how Manchurian of you