19-square-mile ice sheet breaks loose in Canada

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CHARMAINE NORONHA | September 3, 2008 11:53 PM EST | AP

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In this July 29, 2008 file photo large pieces of ice are seen drifting off after separating from the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf. A chunk of ice shelf nearly the size of Manhattan has broken away from Ellesmere Island in Canada's northern Arctic, another dramatic indication of how warmer temperatures are changing the polar frontier, scientists said Wednesday, Sept. 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Sam Soja, The Canadian Press)

TORONTO — A chunk of ice shelf nearly the size of Manhattan has broken away from Ellesmere Island in Canada's northern Arctic, another dramatic indication of how warmer temperatures are changing the polar frontier, scientists said Wednesday.

Derek Mueller, an Arctic ice shelf specialist at Trent University in Ontario, told The Associated Press that the 4,500-year-old Markham Ice Shelf separated in early August and the 19-square-mile shelf is now adrift in the Arctic Ocean.

"The Markham Ice Shelf was a big surprise because it suddenly disappeared. We went under cloud for a bit during our research and when the weather cleared up, all of a sudden there was no more ice shelf. It was a shocking event that underscores the rapidity of changes taking place in the Arctic," said Mueller.

Mueller also said that two large sections of ice detached from the Serson Ice Shelf, shrinking that ice feature by 47 square miles _ or 60 percent _ and that the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf has also continued to break up, losing an additional eight square miles.

Mueller reported last month that seven square miles of the 170-square-mile and 130-feet-thick Ward Hunt shelf had broken off.

This comes on the heels of unusual cracks in a northern Greenland glacier, rapid melting of a southern Greenland glacier, and a near record loss for Arctic sea ice this summer. And earlier this year a 160-square mile chunk of an Antarctic ice shelf disintegrated.

"Reduced sea ice conditions and unusually high air temperatures have facilitated the ice shelf losses this summer," said Luke Copland, director of the Laboratory for Cryospheric Research at the University of Ottawa. "And extensive new cracks across remaining parts of the largest remaining ice shelf, the Ward Hunt, mean that it will continue to disintegrate in the coming years."

Formed by accumulating snow and freezing meltwater, ice shelves are large platforms of thick, ancient sea ice that float on the ocean's surface but are connected to land.

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Ellesmere Island was once entirely ringed by a single enormous ice shelf that broke up in the early 1900s. All that is left today are the four much smaller shelves that together cover little more than 299 square miles.

Martin Jeffries of the U.S. National Science Foundation and University of Alaska Fairbanks said in a statement Tuesday that the summer's ice shelf loss is equivalent to over three times the area of Manhattan, totaling 82 square miles _ losses that have reduced Arctic Ocean ice cover to its second-biggest retreat since satellite measurements began 30 years ago.

"These changes are irreversible under the present climate and indicate that the environmental conditions that have kept these ice shelves in balance for thousands of years are no longer present," said Mueller.

During the last century, when ice shelves would break off, thick sea ice would eventually reform in their place.

"But today, warmer temperatures and a changing climate means there's no hope for regrowth. A scary scenario," said Mueller.

The loss of these ice shelves means that rare ecosystems that depend on them are on the brink of extinction, said Warwick Vincent, director of Laval University's Centre for Northern Studies and a researcher in the program ArcticNet.

"The Markham Ice Shelf had half the biomass for the entire Canadian Arctic Ice Shelf ecosystem as a habitat for cold, tolerant microbial life; algae that sit on top of the ice shelf and photosynthesis like plants would. Now that it's disappeared, we're looking at ecosystems on the verge of extinction,' said Mueller.

Along with decimating ecosystems, drifting ice shelves and warmer temperatures that will cause further melting ice pose a hazard to populated shipping routes in the Arctic region _ a phenomenon that Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper seems to welcome.

Harper announced last week that he plans to expand exploration of the region's known oil and mineral deposits, a possibility that has become more evident as a result of melting sea ice. It is the burning of oil and other fossil fuels that scientists say is the chief cause of manmade warming and melting ice.

Harper also said Canada would toughen reporting requirements for ships entering its waters in the Far North, where some of those territorial claims are disputed by the United States and other countries.

TORONTO — A chunk of ice shelf nearly the size of Manhattan has broken away from Ellesmere Island in Canada's northern Arctic, another dramatic indication of how warmer temperatures are changing...
TORONTO — A chunk of ice shelf nearly the size of Manhattan has broken away from Ellesmere Island in Canada's northern Arctic, another dramatic indication of how warmer temperatures are changing...
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- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

The planet can not afford any more republicans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 09/08/2008
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

Global Warming is a lot of sheet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 09/08/2008
- 123dee I'm a Fan of 123dee 15 fans permalink

If the GOP retains the White House our concerns about the environment are lost.

Palin is suing federal government to reverse listing of polar bears as endanger species.
She want to make way for oil drilling

http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/6109/palin-is-suing-federal-government-to-reverse-listing-of-polar-bears-as-endanger-species

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 09/07/2008

Yes, the stated diagnoses on Ellesmere Island were incorrect. The ice ring breaks and then comes back every decade or so , and has done so for maybe hundreds of years. To be fair, it's been receding at an accelerated rate over the past 40 years, including the underlying ice layers. Researchers were overzealous, or misinterpreted the data or presented it incorrectly.
So congratulations, you've scored one half of one data error against an ocean of otherwise solid evidence.
You will never reach the shore in this fight, unless that's the point, you just want to argue.

If you like to argue truth and philosophy and what's right, then let's forget about the facts for a moment,
and answer a few simple, common sense questions:

What's the downside of a call to arms for a greener world?

What if AGW is one hundred percent wrong, but by going along with the idea we end up with cleaner air, water, soil, renewable fuels, healthier children, fish, plants and animals? What if we left the world better than we came into it, and all because we got too jittery about the weather? How bad would that be, Mr. Slagle?

How would a cleaner, greener earth interfere with your agenda, and how would your agenda serve a better purpose than that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 09/07/2008

As much as some would like to have you believe, the world does not have a shortage of food. Food is treated as a commodity and as such, costs money. Poor countries have a shortage of money - not food.
Regardless, the current warming trend is not part of the usual tempurature cycle of Earth. Think of it this way - if you place your running car in the garage, with you in it, what happens? You die. Think of the Earth as a giant garage filled with 19 million cars. Add to that: extensive deforestation, industrialization and population increase ... You get the idea. Or maybe you don't.
But if you don't believe that global warming is man-made - you can't afford to be wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 09/06/2008

This all appears to be good news. Throughout history, when global climate changed, it was those periods of time when the earth got warmer that civilizations thrived. While it will be just another temporary cyclical change, it will mean more food at a time when the world needs it more than ever before. It is the 'global cooling' that follows this warming cycle that humans will need to prepare for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/06/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

"Climate" extremes are already having significant impacts on North America. Examination of Figure 1.1 reveals that it is an unusual year when the United States does not have any billion dollar weather- and climate-related disasters.

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap3-3/final-report/sap3-3-final-Chapter1.pdf

p.12

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 09/06/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Tell that to the Akkadian civilization. Tell that to the Mayan civilization.
A warmer climate didn't exactly turn out to be "good news" or a "thriving" time for either of them.

It takes more than warmth and a long growing season to grow more food. It take water in the right quantity and at the right time. The Akkadians and the Mayans could tell you all about what happens when it gets warmer and the rains don't come when they once did, and the rivers no longer flood in the spring the way they once did. If they were still around, that is.

But hey, never let the facts, or history, get in the way of expressing an ignorant assertion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 09/06/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 128 fans permalink

Cool!!!

Maybe now the good people of northern Canada can enjoy some warm weather and beaches like those of us in the states.

If all the ice melts, it will open up shipping lanes as well, ya know, to save on fuel.

Get over yourselves Libs, you can't change or control the climate, just adapt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 09/06/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

Is being completely uneducated and sort of like a blank slate one of the requirements for being a modern day conservative? It is the modern equivalent of the No-Nothing party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/06/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 128 fans permalink

It's called illustrating absurity by being absurd.

I love how you Libs think that we humans have the power to completely alter the climate of the earth by driving SUV's and flying in private jets. Then you tell us that buying carbon credits so someone else can plant a tree, all of this horrible climate change will be reversed.

I know you Libs think that we conservatives are so "uneducated", but we are not the ones falling for the hoax of "man made" climate change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 09/06/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

I guess in America one has the right to be as uniformed and as unread as one likes. Many Republicans would call that condition "freedom." I call it was it is- "ignorance."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 09/06/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Primitive single-cell cyanobacteria had the power to completely alter not just the climate of the earth, but the entire atmosphere, and markie can thank his lucky stars that they did.

But hey, never let facts stand in the way of repeating an ignorant mantra over and over and over and over and.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 09/06/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Just another greed-infested narcissist, clueless as to his effect on others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 09/08/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

And a second new paper published in the journal Nature that discusses the instability of ice sheets in the paleorecord:

Rapid early Holocene deglaciation of the Laurentide ice sheet
Anders E. Carlson, Allegra N. LeGrande, Delia W. Oppo, Rosemarie E. Came, Gavin A. Schmidt, Faron S. Anslow, Joseph M. Licciardi & Elizabeth A. Obbink
Nature Geoscience 1, 620 - 624 (2008)
Published online: 31 August 2008
Abstract: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n9/abs/ngeo285.html

Article at Nature that discusses the paper:
http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0809/full/climate.2008.88.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 09/05/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

Again, very interesting articles! TimmySlagle will say the authors of each of the studies are part of the global warming conspiracy. Anyway, here is an interesting link that shows the different stages of flooding that will take place in several American coastal cities given different increases in sea level. At the top of the map one can click on any one of a number of cities:

http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/san-francisco.shtml

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 09/05/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Yeah, RP, but then timmy already says that climate science itself is part of the global warming conspiracy.

Good link to the site showing the graphic effect of sea level rise.
When you set it to only 2 meters notice how much of the Gulf coast and the Sacramento River delta will be under water.
But I can hear it now: "That ain't so bad."
Except 42% of US oil refinery capacity is located along the Gulf coast, and even if 2m doesn't put it under water, it will expose it to storm surges, and a good deal of the fresh, canned and frozen produce Americans eat comes from fields along the Sacramento River.

Have a look at how much of the Netherlands and the Nile delta will be under water.
"Oh well, that's not our problem, the US will be alright."
Except a rise of 2m will inundate 17% of the land area of Bangladesh, 50% of it's rice fields, and displace tens of millions of its people. And the result will be similar for several other south and southeast Asian river deltas, affecting 100s of millions of people.

"But global warming could be a good thing."

Yeah, right. It'll be a lovely world we'll be leaving for our children and grandchildren.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 09/05/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

Yes, it is sort of odd how Slagle would say the entire scientific community is part of a single conspiracy except for a few naysayers at the Heartland Institute. Of course, to him it all just adds to the evidence of a conspiracy.

Yes, and a good deal of oil was spilled in the gulf with Katrina. And fertile soil is rendered inarable after repeated exposure to sea water flooding, given the sea water salt content. So that is part of the problem Bangladesh is having and many other SE Asian countires, as you say. They are also losing the fresh water supllied by the mountain glaciers as the snow pack melts.

As a rule of thumb, with each one foot sea level rise we lose 100 feet of coastline and in a very flat region like the gulf we may lose 1000 feet of coastline for each foot of increase in the sea level.

Anyway, here is a good site for many free studies on warming. You just have to establish a password.

http://www.gcrio.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/06/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

A new paper published in the journal Science predicts .8 to 2.0 meter rise in sea level by 2100:
Kinematic Constraints on Glacier Contributions to 21st-Century Sea-Level Rise
W. T. Pfeffer, J. T. Harper, S. O'Neel
Science, 5 September 2008:
Vol. 321. no. 5894, pp. 1340 - 1343
Abstract: http://science-mag.aaas.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/5894/1340
Your library should be able to get you the full paper.

Report at Scientific American:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-much-will-global-warming-raise-sea-levels

Comment and discussion at RealCliamte:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/09/how-much-will-sea-level-rise/langswitch_lang/in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/05/2008
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I give up.

Global warming deniers, I give up. Go ahead. Keep denying. We are screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 09/05/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

I see timmy still has yet to provide one single solitary example of a scientist making "a LOT more money" by supporting anthropogenic global warming.
All he has provided are references to total dollar amounts the US gov has spent on scientific research on climate change.

It's not up to me to provide evidence that timmy's unsubstantiated assertion* is false, it's up to him to provide evidence that his assertion is true in the first place, and not just blanket slander and libel.

(*Timmy's original assertion: "If a Scientist wants to sell his credibility, there is a LOT more money to be made if you support Anthropogenic Global Warming.")

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/05/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

I am glad you called him on it. Slagle always makes ridiculous assertions and then asked others to prove they are untrue. He thinks we have nothing better to do than to prove his nutty rants to be false. To him, the fact that the government is spending much money on research is not indicative of the urgency of the problem, but somehow indicative of corruption among scientists. Slagle must have eaten too many sugar-glazed doughnuts or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 09/05/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 159 fans permalink

The examples of the affects of global warming just keep piling up. Where are the examples of climate cooling, or of the climate not changing? The rapidity of the warming that we are currently witnessing is absolutely amazing.

One blogger recently posted a link to a site which showed how much of California's Central Valley agricultural basin would be flooded with salt water if the Oceans rise just one meter. Climatologists are saying that it now appears very possible that the Oceans will indeed rise 1 meter within the next 100 years.

We really do need to reduce our total carbon footprint if we are to avoid many catastrophic climate related problems. These problems won't happen in my lifetime, but they could happen in our children's lifetime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 09/05/2008

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THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN MORE THEN JUST A SCIENTIST OR A TREE HUGER THAT CALLS THEM FACTS!!!! INVIROMENTALIST ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MORE LESS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!!!! I AM GLAD TO READ ABOUT OUR WEATHER FROM THE ALMAMACS!!! GOD IS IN CONTROL AND THIS EARTH MAKES MANY CHANGES! MEN ARE MAKING MONEY FROM DISHONORABLE TRUTHS TO MAKE MONEY!!! HEY HUFFINGTON! YOU ARE A VERY ANGRY PERSON AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA WILL NO LONGER LISTEN TO YOUR BROKE UP SPEECH AND BAD GRRRRRAAAAMMMMAAAARRRRR!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 09/05/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Bad grammar?

What a hoot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 09/05/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 170 fans permalink

If God is so in control, wouldn't he just magically clean up the environment every five or ten years? When you travel, does God get you there or do you take a plane?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 09/05/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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bwahahahahahaha!
If it wasn't for environmentalists you would be up to your neck in filth because your party and the corporations at large sure as hell won't demand that a corporation clean up after itself..... Imagine if there were no environmental movement.... no reason to worry about what is in your drinking water. No reason to monitor nuclear power plants, chemical plants, etc.... no limits to what kinds of pesticides are in your foods, no controls on what goes into the food you eat, the medicines you use, the water you drink, the clothes you wear....
Not terribly bright but then again, 62 million of you put the current idiots in office and you would do it again regardless of how wrong you are... now that is stupid...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 09/06/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 34 fans permalink

Another busy hurricane season. Warmer water equals more and stronger hurricanes. [Please don't tell me no hurricanes hit the United States last year. There were two category 5s that made landfall for the first time in history, Nicaragua and Mexico.]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 09/04/2008

This could lead to a dangerous new ecosystem. Goodbye many thousands of year old cold tolerant algae on ice shelf. See you in heaven when I die. Say hello to the slime molds. Scientists are working on a plan to stop evolution so this won't happen again. No new ecosystems! Never forget!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 09/05/2008
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 27 fans permalink

Not more storms, as the total number of tropical storms world-wide has not changed beyond natural variability, but the number of stronger, more powerful storms has definitely increased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/05/2008
- TrevorAlan I'm a Fan of TrevorAlan 4 fans permalink

The Republican answer to Ice shelf collapse --

Great! I needed another highball, can you get some of that for me in a glass, boy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 09/04/2008
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Actually, I thought the Republican response would be: "We must bomb this ice shelf before it attacks us at home."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 09/05/2008
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