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First Posted: 09- 7-08 08:55 AM   |   Updated: 10- 8-08 05:12 AM

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Good morning and welcome to the most beautiful Sunday of the calendar year. No: not the first post-convention welcome to the campaign Sunday. And, no: not the everyone on the ticket is on the air Sunday (one person I'm told is somewhat consequential is sitting this Sunday out, I'm told (though she'll probably tell everyone she participated, because that's what she does, apparently)). No, today is the first Sunday of the National Football League! I'm not even going to pretend that many of you won't try to lose your cares and concerns in the fall pastime. Please, do. I back the Washington Redskins myself, so I enjoy this Sunday morning political horrorshow because compared to my home team simply because it's not as big a trainwreck.

Speaking of, here comes...

FOX NEWS SUNDAY

We begin Sunday with dueling consultants, starting with David Axelrod. How will Obama counter Sarah Palin? Axelrod says, "Uhm...we'll actually go ahead and counter John McCain." And then on comes the elevator speech about how awful the economy is. But does Obama REALLY BELIEVE he has precious executive experience. Axelrod is all, "Nobody knows about the enduring mystery that is Sarah Palin! Who knows what experience she has?" Okay. Interesting tack. Why can't the answer simply be, "Yes. Obama has more leadership experience." That's Axelrod's second answer. I don't get the game. They ask you if you have enough experience, the answer is yes.

But isn't John McCain the real agent of change, because he was tortured?

WOO! Obama worked on putting caps on Katrina rebuilding! Hooray?

Wallace basically says, "Yes. But there are other issues that Obama didn't fight his party on!" What's the point of even answering these questions?

Axelrod points out that McCain's campaign is being run by lobbyists, like Rick Davis. And Axelrod gets deep, stupidly deep in the weeds on the "Surge." Along with Obama. As has been documented, the decrease in sectarian violence is attributable to the sectarian cleansing that went on contemporaneously. Axelrod is right that there's a "much larger discussion," but he needs to have it in a more simple way. I'd focus on the the fact that the "surge" has led to higher casualities in Afghanistan, it's led to al Qaeda's resurgence, it hasn't impacted Iran's increasing role in Iraq, and Iraq is clamoring for Obama's withdrawal plan anyway.

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Axelrod, not good today. Got to reinvent some of these old sales pitches. "More of the same" is already feeling hoary. His counterparts on the right respond and react to everything, even the stupid things - even stupidly! But at the end of the week they've got a sense of what works and what doesn't, and filter new rhetoric through old message.

Anyway, here's Rick Davis. What about all the lobbyists that make up the campaign? David says it's hilarious. Hilarious enough to not answer the question.

Anyway, Palin reinforces the maverick brand somehow, even though she's a devourer of government pork and a supporter of bridges to nowhere and Ted Stevens. Davis says that the pork was in place before she became mayor. That's actually a big fat lie! Public records show that Palin INTRODUCED earmarks to Wasilla.

When will Palin agree to an interview? Rick Davis says, not yet! But in the meantime, watch Fox News glowing hagiography. Then he says that this past week wasn't a good week for the news media. Really? What did the media do? Besides uncritically report on the RNC? Wallace is all, "You're right, we were awful!" He says that what the media has said about Palin is not "objective journalism" because it doesn't fulfill the "objective" of getting McCain elected.

So, Wallace asks about the whole statement that Davis made about how this election is not about issues, but about a "composite view" of the candidates. I guess that's scandalous, somehow. But it's also correct! The election will be won by who presents the clearest composite view and whichever composite view reflects people's values the strongest will win the election. I mean, issues are great, but I can easily see us getting to 2012, and the Democrats just updating their "For eight years things have sucked!" message as "For twelve years things have sucked!" And they'd probably be well served to plan the "For sixteen years things have sucked!" message in advance.

Boy, Davis pretty much worked over Axelrod this morning. As fatuous as "Country first" versus "Me First" is, you can actually say it in one breath. That's the difference! Composite view.

Anyway, panel time with Hume, Liasson, Kristol, and Williams. These four...it's just so hard to spend Sunday morning with these four. They are just like cancer of the eye.

We take time out to give Kristol props for correctly picking Palin. It's the first thing he's been right about in maybe 47 years, so, stand and give some clapter. He'll return to producing mistake-ridden columns and backing policies that will get you and me killed later this afternoon.

Liasson says that Palin's not going to fade, even if she's not ready to be Veep. She'll either implode or explode. I more or less agree. On Jezebel this week, I summed up Palin as someone who'd lack of accomplishment is more than offset by a clear abundance of talent. The GOP has anointed a national figure, and incited a cult/celebrity phenomenon of their own. I have to imagine that gets the party, finally, invested in McCain, because even if McCain loses this particular battle, he's positioned the party for the future. And, strangely enough, going into the convention, I don't think the GOP was well-positioned for the future.

Of course, that future holds some of the shallowest identity politics you can imagine.

Anyway, I agree with Brit Hume that there's just no reason for the Democrats to even talk about Sarah Palin. He's right. She's the vice-presidential candidate, for crying out loud. And not a Veep in the Cheney mold. And she'll be outranked in a McCain White House by Lindsay Graham, Joe Lieberman, Mark Salter and that crew, and a host of party operatives. Unless the Obama camp gets proof that Palin's going to screw up the country at one of the many ribbon-cutting ceremonies she'll be attending, it's best to concentrate on the distinctions that can be made of the two candidates values and style of governance.

So, what to expect in the last fifty eight days? Williams says it's going to be THIRD BUSH TERM vs. MAVERICK. Hume says that it's close, Obama's the favorite, and the McCain campaign needs to get serious on the economy. I'm not sure he's right that the Democrats are poorly positioned on energy, because that Pelosi energy plan really pins McCain in. Liasson thinks that its amazing that McCain's made it this far without a clear economic message and that the Obama ground game is better.

OH, BRIT HUME. He thinks that there's been great job growth. A "huge number." Uhm...no.

Anyway, Brit Hume thinks the public doesn't "give a fig" abotu Sarah Palin answering questions. It's sad if he's right!

THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

Where is Obama doing this interview from? A farm?

He thinks the new Republican team came roaring out of Saint Paul? So did the rest of everyone! My twitter is filled with people relieved to be done with the tear gas capital of the North.

Anyway, Obama on his taxcutting farm. Ol' McCain done been spinnin' yarns about taxocratz like Obama, but he says that he's cutting taxes for some 80% of the country. McCain's wars will blow a hole through the budget, Obama says. GS says: "So, even if we're in a recession, you are going to do your tax increases." Obama says, uhm...I said tax cuts!

Obama isn't keen on answering questions about Palin, other than she's a skilled performer, with the best two drink minimum shows since the Yiddish policeman's union came to Sitka. But what about issues, and stuff? GS, is all: Sarah Palin bravely commands the Alaskan National Guard, to bravely defeat caribou. She's definitely fought the caribou to a draw in Alaska. "This whole resume contest...is not what the American people are looking for."

GS asks what Obama thought of the "boos and laughter." I'm glad that Obama does not answer such a touch-and-feel fest. Anyway, Obama was a community organizer, but made the mistake of organizing black people, instead of caribou, and earmarks.

Obama is asked about whether he ever considered to join the military. He signed up with Selective Service, and thinks the military was great, and he'll take care of the troops.

Three changes that would be unpopular with the Democrats? He'd promote accountability in education and pay for performance. He'd increase the size of the military. He'd reduce litigation costs in health care. Plus, he'll to an audit on government spending - he cites Medicare funding as something that needs to be reviewed. Yeah. A lot of that stuff won't be popular with the Democrats. I'd love to hear that question put to McCain, though? He'd probably answer it: "I lived in a box and was tortured and stuff."

Surge much? Our troops have reduced violence, Obama says! But why does McCain "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" by not supporting the timetable for withdrawal. "It's amazing to me that people are so focused on the right year and a half and not the previous five." That's a good answer. A better answer would be some Attackermanese: "JOHN MCCAIN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THE SURGE ZEROED THE BALANCE IN IRAQ. IT DID NOT." But I'll say this: Obama's come closest to the argument formulation in my own mind today.

Was the "above my pay grade" answer too "flip?" Obama says "probably." How about definitely?

Why are there no animals on this farm? Has Sarah Palin aerially hunted them all and sold them on eBay?

Now, Obama's trying to answer about who said what about who's pregnant daughter and Muslim heritage. Why not simply say that the conservative blogosphere has been promoting these attacks, and that they are for all intents and purposes, part of the McCain campaign? The McCain campaign is essentially saying the same thing about the Bristol Palin stuff.

Finally, Obama will be willing to play Palin in basketball, so long as she doesn't bring her gun. No problem! I hear her guns are mostly pointed at Levi Johnston these days, anyway.

Man. It's so hard to find anything funny to say about this stuff after using all my best material on Twitter for the past two weeks. I actually cannot believe that anyone going to a political convention for the first time would take in the breadth of that experience and say, "Yes! I will do this again in four years!" What is it? Do people like the taste of mace or something? Going to utterly crappy parties with the same utterly crappy people in different cities?

It must be watching television in tents.

Anyway, they're talking about Sarah Palin. She's energized the party! I can't wait until she goes to conservative hotbed San Francisco for a fundraiser with noted po' folk Stacy and Tom Siebel! Mayhill Fowler will be there, taping Palin when she says that liberal women "cling to their uteruses and silly sense of autonomy."

The panel discussion is continuing on the show. I haven't been paying attention to a word of it? George Will just said something about "moxie." Palin has it. She has a old, carbonated beverage that tastes like malted transmission fluid.

GS says that Palin will inspire two different gut reactions: which I take to mean 1) explosive reverse peristalsis and 2) pancreatic ulcers.

Commenter aznurse asks: "Why do I feel like this whole election is some sort of science project??" Because those projects end up in science fairs, where adults wander around and hand out ribbons and pretend to be impressed, but in the end, you've just rewarded a bunch of children who really don't know what the frack they're talking about, only we're actually putting them in charge, which is why all of our domestic policy is about as serious as adding baking soda to vinegar. WOO VOLCANO! YAY PRETTY!

FACE THE NATION

After the nation got maced, the nation gets faced, unless of course, they want to aerially hunt McCain's Veep pick, in which case, they are on a bridge to nowhere, which she supported. My hope is that the first question they ask Palin is, "Are you planning on voting for Ted Stevens? Yes, or get the eff out of here?"

Anyway, here's loveable Bob Schieffer, coming to us live from a crypt in Colorado Springs. John McCain has been on the show a lot, because he's a member of the DC cocktail circuit clique who go on these shows rather than do things. McCain surpasses Viagra spokesman Bob Dole for number of appearances, McCain says it's an honor to follow in his footsteps, and I'd bet that many of you out there in commentland hope he keeps right on that path.

Anyway, McCain tells Sheef that he's close to death, too, so shut up.

BS thinks that McCain did an extraordinary thing standing up to his own party, and then something about goats. McCain says he's stood up to goats and has reached across the aisle to other goats, and supports a goat-like surge. McCain is eager to deflect attention onto his running mate. Of course, then he talks about running a "unity" government. "You have to." How will he do that with a running mate who's only made splashes by reinforcing the partisan division?

McCain says that he's going to have the smartest people in America in his cabinet. Shouldn't the smartest people in America be teaching America, with competitive wages?

So, Charles Krauthammer says that Palin is an empty vessel and not ready to be Veep, and McCain's riposte is that, "She's so popular!" So, celebrity is a good thing, now?

"She's not just exciting our base, she's excited all Americans." McCain's right. She's personally been responsible for a 10:1 donation ratio in Obama's favor over the last two days of the convention. Also, she was a point guard! She's ready to lead the box-and-one on day one! She'll have many double-doubles, and she'll defeat neighboring Russia in FIBA. She will field dress the New York Knickerbockers, and their elitism.

Okay. I love how McCain is complaining about lobbyists, cronies, "quasi-governmental organizations," and the fact that people at Freddie and Fannie made mad bank as CEOs. He's going to fight that? He's going to catapult into that culture and change it? NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. You know, Franklin Raines got drummed out of Fannie Mae amid just the sort of scandal that a guy like McCain, if he was a real reformer, would decry till he was blue in the face. Guys like Raines should be made to feel some real heat, some real shame. But it's never going to occur because ultimately, people like Raines will crony up with people from the McCain campaign, and everyone will get rich on their empty headed board of directors slots, and nothing will ever change because the first rule of business is PROTECT THE WEALTH OF THE WEALTHY.

Don't believe me? Well, where is Frankin Raines now? He's on the board of directors of Steve Case's Revolution Health. Would you like to know one of his colleagues at Revolution? I should EVER SO GLAD TO TELL YOU: Carly Effing Fiorina, folks! That's right. Now, if Fiorina and Raines can happily coexist on the board of Rev Health, how serious do take McCain when he says he's going to change this political culture?

If you answered, "I take it very seriously!" you may as well kick yourself in the fracking face right now, to get used to the disappointment. And people, Fiorina and Raines just sort of leap to mind. I'm guessing we could run a similar game with the Obama campaign, as well. And people think the candidates' pastors give us insight into their thinking! It's never about Jesus, people. It's about the moneylenders.

"When the housing market starts back up, the taxpayers are going to be reimbursed." GOOD GOD MAN! When the housing market starts back up there will be trillions of dollars of mortgages that will have reset! Even the people that don't get foreclosed on are going to have to scrape by and survive. There are many Americans who won't ever be moving from their homes! There are many Americans who won't be buying a new car, won't be taking a vacation, won't be buying the new HDTV, won't be buying that MacBook Air, won't be sending their kids to college. But yeah, when the housing market "starts back up again," Hanry Paulson says everything will be fine, and everyone will get a few hundred dollars back.

Sheef asks McCain about the whole community organizer slurs, with "important responsibilities." McCain says that he loves community organizers, especially when they are wealthy and do not have presidential aspirations. McCain's stance is that Obama "denigrated small town mayors" first. HE STARTED IT! He should have done those town halls with me! PLEASE GIVE ME ALL YOUR NUCLEAR FOOTBALLS.

McCain still will not acknowledge that going into Iraq, as opposed to avenging the deaths of our countrymen by fighting terrorists, was wrong.

"I'll have to convince [minorities] that I'll be the president of everybody." Good luck with Palin on your ticket, Mac.

How will you do that? He will say the word "education." He will say the word "economy."

Ezra Klein and Alex Pareene were getting at something here in their discussion on Daily Intelligencer:

A.P.: It just seemed odd last night to have Obama speaking on Iran and Pakistan and McCain basically doing the old John Edwards "I met a struggling family working 100 jobs" routine. When McCain does that routine, there's an odd break where you wait for him to explain what they wanted John McCain to do about it.

E.K.: Yeah, with him it's empathy for empathy's sake. "My friends, I too have known hardship..." It's interesting, the theory of why people vote on character issues is that we don't have time to get deeper and we use people's personality traits to assume their policies and agendas and priorities. But McCain has a tendency to not even try and signal that. He signals some empathy, but no interest in even gesturing toward his compassionate or attentive response. It's sort of rare for a politician.

That's the thing with McCain: he does talk a lot about people's hardship! I believe him, at least at some level, when he says he's saddened by it! But McCain basically believes the solution is: Send A Guy Who Was Tortured For Five Years and Now Owns Seven Homes. He believes the inspirational figure he might cut is sufficient. Basically, McCain promises America that he will draw a cross in the dirt for them, and after that, you're on your own. Meanwhile, yes: our enemies will continue to bask in their continued appeasement from America, but as soon as McCain joins bin Laden on some other metaphysical plane of existence, he will give him a stern talking to!

Anyway, my Face The Nation recording ends here, so, Meet The Press, I guess.

MEET THE PRESS, I GUESS

People are saying, by the way, that Robert Gibbs was better on teevee today than David Axelrod. Know why? Gibbs is better suited to presenting the "overall composite" of his candidate. Gibbs is a guy who's got values appeal. He's looser, less wonky and mopey, and exudes charm.

Anyway, Tom Brokaw, Joe Biden. In Delaware. Biden, dropping his foreign affairs cred in an offhanded way.

Biden calls Palin "smart, tough, formidable," which is all about playing the expectations game. Then Brokaw wants to know about the tick-tock: "Who'd you call after you saw Palin's amazing speechifying?" My proctologist, I guess? Anyway, Biden is used to debating "tough, smart women." But he doesn't know what her policies are, and assumes they are the same as John.

What about the fact that women seem to be flocking to Palin. Biden basically says:

What about Hillary? Is she going into the campaign? Biden says that she's "big player" and he hopes that he can go with. I think it's probably pretty smart to not send Clinton specifically as a "Palin-buster."

Lots of people tuned in to the convention! But how many will watch Lou Dobbs "independent convention" next week, for zenophobes with gigantic estates that can be seen from space? That's the real question.

Biden explains why no joint town halls: it significantly constrains your ability to campaign where you want.

So, what about the Surge? Biden says, look, the Surge wasn't half as effective as the Anbar Awakening, and anyway, it's all irrelevant, because TIMETABLZ 4 WITHDRAWALZ: YOU CAN HAZ THEM. And only John McCain is saying: "DO NOT WANT."

Biden is actually smart to future-focus this issue. Instead of this wack-ass chase for credit, who's going to set up the next stage.

OH NOES! Joe Biden just mistook Shia for Sunnis! And Tom Brokaw called them, "Sheee-eyes." These foreign people confuse us, with their funny hats.

Biden is killing it, actually. Speaking plain truth about the fact that the Iraq we've built is crazy in love with Iran and Ahmadinejad. Look, it should be said: the Biden experience is every bit, every inch of the complement that Obama needs. He's got a breadth of knowledge and an encyclopaedic command. And when Biden's talking policy - especially foreign policy - he's NOT saying crazy things about how Delaware would have been a slave state.

I wish that Obama and Biden would make fun of McCain for saying that there would be a "lifetime ban" on members of his staff from lobbying. Because that was the McCain stance on lobbying that made me just laugh, and later cry, and then turn to drink, and by drink I mean Clorox, because BISH PLS! No one, no way, no how is some sort of "lifetime ban" on lobbying going to be enforces on anyone! Damn, son! When John McCain is pushing up the daisies, how the eff do you presume Rick Davis is gonna get PAID? You think he's gonna open a chicken shack or something? Hell, no! The man is gonna lobby, crony, itching-palmy his ass off! That's what you do when campaigns end and candidacies fade and your bood leaves office.

Anyway, Biden is neck deep in lobbydom himself, and his son is too. So: PLEASE TO EXPLAIN? Actually, let's give Brokaw twenty minutes to get through his question. Anyway, Biden says that his son could have had a better job, which doesn't seem relevant, and that his son's bank's total contributions are 2% (which only makes me wonder who's contributed the other 98%), and that he blocked the bank's bill three times prior. Yeah. Well, in the end, that was a pretty bad bankruptcy bill, and if it's totally going to work once we have national health care, let's have the health care first.

Biden says that lobbyists would continue to "have a voice" but would no longer be allowed to write legislation. The bad news is: that means all the idiots in Congress are going to have to START writing it, and I don't think most of the people America elects can even READ.

Well, okay. Biden can obviously read, since he's dropping the Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas as a part of his abortion rights answer.

Should Lieberman be welcomed back in the caucus? Biden says that Catholics believe in redemption. That may be true, but the church doesn't sell indulgences anymore, either.

Then, a half-hour of Thomas Friedman follows, which I believe is a milli-Friedman unit. Anyway, he has a book and a mustache.

So, four shows, three candidates, and a noteworthy absence. That's Sunday. Conventions are over. I'm burnt but recharging. Time for a break. Watch some football today, people! Be glad the Redskins aren't on today! We'll see you next week!


Good morning and welcome to the most beautiful Sunday of the calendar year. No: not the first post-convention welcome to the campaign Sunday. And, no: not the everyone on the ticket is on the air Su...
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- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

George Steph is probably the worst interviewer on the planet. His contempt for Obama is palpable.

Day 10 of Hide the Pailin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Made man from Clinton Inc. and all their passive-aggressive, triangulating (w/Republicans) history.

Too many in MSM owe their careers to Bush Inc. and Clinton Inc. They are conflicted careerist toadys and unworthy of the Constitutionally-protected PRESS FREEDOMS we enjoy.

Deregulated MSM as the context for our NEWS is similar to the LOBBYISTS who control our Executive Branch and make policy and wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 09/07/2008
- MarciaJ720 I'm a Fan of MarciaJ720 13 fans permalink
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I agree. I am sick at how GS is treating Obama. He won't even let him answer a question before interrupting him.

Like to see GS give the same treatment to McCain (and especially Palin) but since Disney will never allow that, it won't happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 09/07/2008
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Watched a little of the U-boat commander on CNN, and his "debate" between Kay Baily Hutchison and Barbara Boxer. After it was over he said, "Good Debate".

I disagree.

I think a GOOD debate would be one where the Republican presented THEIR point of view, factual evidence of their point of view, and the Democrat presented THEIR point of view and factual evidence as well. I don't like the lies or the weasel words, or the playing tricks with language. I want the actual two points of view to be debated.

Kay Bailey Hutchison LIED about Obama, uttered misleading statements on taxes, implying that raising taxes on the top 1% is EXACTLY the same as raising taxes on ME. She tried to say that raising taxes on a corporation making 600 BILLION in a quarter was the same as raising taxes on ME. If I won a million dollars tomorrow I would GLADLY pay the taxes on it, but I don't even earn a tenth of that in a year (not even close), and I am sick and tired of these Republicans conflating my tax status with that of Thurston Howell III.

Also I am tired of the Republicans trying to frame this election as Obama against Palin. If Obama needs help, he can turn to Biden. Who can McCain turn to for help.... Palin? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ohhhhh. Maybe Palin can run McCain like Cheney "ran" bush! And how did that one work out, again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 09/07/2008
- jnratliff I'm a Fan of jnratliff 8 fans permalink

What ugly lying piles of crap in the picture for this article!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/07/2008
- jalapeno I'm a Fan of jalapeno 26 fans permalink
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This sounds like it was written by a 16 year old, Jason is that for sure your writing style ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 09/07/2008
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I was wondering the same thing. Some of the worst writing style and I got nothing from it.

Not a thing. I reread parts and kept thinking...where is the reporting on what happened in the morning political talk shows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 09/07/2008
- Linda Bergthold - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Linda Bergthold 105 fans permalink
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As usual, love your summary of the morning shows. I thought both Biden and Obama were good, but the GS panel hit on something the Democrats really need to pay attention to -- most people will be reacting quickly and impulsively to what they hear about the campaign, so that is why personality and sound bites have such impact. There's a new book out called "Nudge" which describes the way people make decisions and how they think -- the books says there are two systems in the brain -the older "automatic" lizard-related brain and the more developed "reflective" part of the brain. This pretty much describes the two candidates and the way they approach issues. The Rick Warren forum was a good example -- McCain with the quick "automatic" soundbite answer and Obama with the more complicated reflective answers. The danger for the Democrats is that they may assume that voters will take the time to be reflective and analytic, instead of just reacting to the top lines and sound bites. It's a danger for Joe Biden in the VP debate where he may tend to answer in a detailed way, where Palin is likely to repeat the short answers she has memorized and she may sound more powerful and more decisive.
Hopefully Obama and his campaign will continue to find the way to answer questions in the way most voters can hear them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

The Obama/Biden ticket are trying to be HONEST with the America people. I would agree w/you as long as you are not suggesting they give brief, pithy answers w/honesty as the tradeoff.

Saddleback was a setup -- McCain had the questions in advance and was able to pre-arrange simplistic answers suitable to the setting and host. He was also able to listen to and/or watch Senator Obama's answers ahead of time.

Yes...the burden is on Obama/Biden it was clear this morning on ALL shows. Barack has always known this from the get-go and the insidious Sarah Palin choice that will have no critical analysis from the MSM -- makes their task more difficult. However, Senators Obama and Biden are begging the American people to focus and listen and be part of the decisions that affect our futures. They are sharing their burden with us and understand MSM/Republicans will make the most of this.

LIES are easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

People who are "honest" with themselves don't pay any attention to "sound bites" from pundits and reporters. Those who are honestly voting their gut feelings are "listening" to the candidates individually, not what is being said about them by others. That's where the truth is. Anybody can say anything about someone but that doesn't make it true.

My mind, like many others, is made up already for the candidate who tells me the truth, and there's only one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 09/07/2008
- maryyooch I'm a Fan of maryyooch 28 fans permalink

The only show I caught today was Meet the Press.
I thought BIDEN ROCKED!
He explained a lot of supposed controversies and did a great job.
I was so very proud of him.
You can tell that He and Obama will run the country a lot better than the last 30 freakin years. They actually know how to THINK things through and deliberate all sides of an issue. How can americans not want the best for our country and the world? It simply boggles the mind!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 09/07/2008
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 49 fans permalink

But, if the VP debate is really a debate, short and memorized answers that at first glance may sound decisive and powerful will be summarily obliterated for the nonsense they are ... and good luck to the Governor in her obligatory responses. I am afraid that 8 weeks is not nearly long enough for the education of Sarah Palin.

And, I would suggest that the ability of voters to understand what the candidates are telling them - or are not telling them, as the case may be - is not the problem here. If Obama/Biden do not win in November, then there will be no one else to blame but an incredibly inept and incompetent media who do not understand their own role in a free society let alone what the important issues are all about in this very critical election campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 09/07/2008
- krocklin I'm a Fan of krocklin 30 fans permalink

McCain's speech mischaracterized Obama's proposals and used false statitistics.

But this works for Republicans.

It has often been said the Democrats have the issues and the Republicans have the spin, and the spin wins.

This is true, so its not effective for Obama or any Demacratic spokesperson on TV to go too deeply into policy details. However, what they could do in ads and speeches is address one policy issue that the Republicans always use --taxes.

They need to say that the budget deficit and the balooning chunk of tax dollars going to waste and corruption in the military is COSTING us taxdollars and is in effect greater taxation than would be imposed by real needs

McCain will just continue to coopt Democratic ideas with lies that HE is the reformer etc., which is absurd. So the Democrats have to hit them with the idea that the deficits and lobbies promoting military waste a la Halliburton cost taxpayers. So far the Dems just haven't turned this idea around on the Republicans - taxation, waste and government expansion.

Big Government and Taxes are what they always effectively use against the Dems, so that argument has to be turned around in concise punchy ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/07/2008
- alvdh1 I'm a Fan of alvdh1 24 fans permalink

It is as simple as this; MSM will not ask the tough questions because if something happens to McCain, Palin will be be the perfect puppet of the right and corporate America. Since coporate America owns MSM, then we should expect MSM to focus very little on the issues and more on the sizzle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 09/07/2008

What good is it to have a MSM owned by right wing powers that be ,who hire hosts that promote their agenda?Should we expect a different result when the news is formulated to fit their needs?I don't have a complete answer, but I suspect a fairness doctrine would go a long way in equalizing the rhetoric of both major parties.Stations would be more careful in vetting their hosts ,and hosts would scrutinize guests with a "a bone to pick" before allowing them on the air only to be refuted honestly and effectively a week later .Anyone old enough to remember the fairness doctrine in play remembers effective prime time rebuttals that did level the playing field and stopped a lot of the (shoot from the hip) ideologues from having access to the airwaves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Lucretia Borgia...or, the latest Repub woman standard circa 2008...Kathrine Harris.

What woman would describe herself as a "pit bull...w/lipstick?" Mothers, is that your role model for your daughters -- in the 21st Century?

Never read that in the diaries of Mrs. Adams and Mrs. Jefferson...did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

And, I believe Mrs. Adams and Mrs. Jefferson were good shots and had to defend their farms during the Revolution.

America, turn the page. This is not worthy of our enlightened Founding Fathers, but regressive to the extreme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 09/07/2008
- editrix66 I'm a Fan of editrix66 11 fans permalink

I thought Obama's response on the community organizer was good. He discussed exactly what he did as a community organizer, that he worked with churches to create job-training programs and after-school programs and to get asbestos out of poor people's houses. He said he found it puzzling that Republicans would mock community organizing and all the people who work in their communities when it seems that this is in the very least something Democrats and Republicans can agree on, that people should want to provide service to their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/07/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 61 fans permalink

Three years as a community organizer? That's less time than one spends in high school. I guess it was just a stop on the way to bigger things and it looked good on his resume. There's something called the Peter Principle which could describe Obama. He keeps getting promoted upward without really mastering the position he's at. Kinda like George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 09/07/2008
- ricitizen I'm a Fan of ricitizen 17 fans permalink
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Why don't you stop with the "wisecracks" and be honest. You don't like Obama. Okay, but if you were honest you'd admit that he is most the intelligent of the candidates. By the way the Peter Principle means we rise to our highest level of incompetence. Also, there are people that spend less than 3 years in high school. Why? because they are so much brighter than their peers that they get to skip a grade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Last time I heard being a Civil Rights Attorney was a valid and laudable profession. Supreme Court Judges have begun their careers as lawyers w/community based organizations.

MSM should not allow professional lawyers who work w/community organizations -- that benefit the Middle-Class and our poor -- to be debased and the work itself, trivialized.

Where are our Bar Associations voices in this matter???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/07/2008

Just like Palin.
difference between Palin and BUSH?
---Lipstick!!! :))))))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 09/07/2008
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Ten years.It's called service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/07/2008
- maryyooch I'm a Fan of maryyooch 28 fans permalink

Jesus was a community organizer. Pilate was a govener.

I read that in a blog somewhere and thought it was great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Community organizing FOUNDED this Nation. Were Sarah Palin (and the totally sold-out John McCain) literate and honest, they could not have said such a thing.

Every union member (not Todd Palin of BP) should reject such a statement.

Every civil rights and women's rights lawyer/organizer/social worker/nurse should reject such a statement.

Ironically, every CHURCH and SYNAGOGUE should reject such a statement.

Every American should REJECT such a statement and turn in disgust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 09/07/2008

Okay. Here we go again with wedge issues distracting and polarizing the undecided from a decision.

I just watched Tom Brokaw try to pin Biden against the wall on abortion. Biden did an ok job of deflecting it, but I have to provide an alternative to this BS argument that keeps coming up:

When asked WHY or HOW you can vote for choice rights when you, yourself believe life starts at conception, please begin answering firmly - and I know this scares Democrats - but AGGRESSIVELY - that the JOB of VP and PRES is NOT to DECIDE what OTHERS want to do about ABORTION through the lens of their own PERSONAL beliefs. The JOB is to determine which rights are protected by the constitution: PERIOD.

Please DEMs stop taking this bait and bat this wedge issue down with the real answer. The Republican marketing machine has convinced people that GOD and one's personal beliefs should weigh in when creating legislation for all. This is NOT IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION. The job of the PRESIDENT is to make sure that your personal beliefs DO NOT bleed into your decision making for all.

Please put this one to bed once and for all!!!!!!!!!! They're killing us with it in the heartland. They've convinced the religious that in Washington, God must be considered on decision making. It's anti-constitution to do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We must educate the people that the Republicans have re-marketed this country as a religious-based country; it isn't.
Sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/07/2008
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We actually have a pretty good message now... believe what you want, believe what your religion tells you and act accordingly. But, we are not moving to criminalize it. (need to make sure there is a period, full stop there). Tim Kaine is great on this subject, everyone should take lessons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

I agree. It's called SEPARATION between church and State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 09/07/2008

Excellent post. I hope the Obama campaign reads it. As for Tom Brokaw, he has fallen in the trap set during every election. Ignore the real issues and talk about abortion, guns, Jesus, and gay marriage. I'm sick of it. Enough!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

Don't you guys know that Tom Brokaw is one of them? Did you expect him not to play up the republican issues?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2008

Well said. I would like to to hear pro-choice advocates redirect the question with the following:

"If this is a clear cut moral issue than what do we do when (1) A pregnancy results from rape or incest? (2) The fetus develops abnormally and if born the child will have a severe congenital illness that will shorten his/her life span and greatly reduce his/her qulaity of life (3) a woman seeks REI treatment which results in extra embryos being discarded (4) a woman's health and life is threatened by the pregnancy?"

My guess is anti-abortion advocates would stumble answering any of these questions taking away their perceived control over the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/07/2008
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Excellent points. But, we can't beat them by having the moral debate. A clear, sweet answer that sounds good in an interview is better. "you believe what your religion tells you about when life begins. And, we encourage that. But, we won't move to criminalize abortion".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Pro-choice advocates that are not Clinton Inc. surrogates aka the ineffectual and conflicted Joan Walsh at www.salon.com -- or, the head of NOW.

Notice, we are hearing from ANY besides the L.A. Times Op-Ed from Gloria Steinem.

This is Hillary Clinton's impact on the race. NOT to the benefit of women. Not even Hillary herself -- in FL this weekend -- spoke loudly to what is at stake.

More regression courtesy of Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/07/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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I went to a Catholic high school.

In US Government class, after teaching the Constitution our "field trips" were to abortion clinics to plead with women not to "kill their unborn baby"!

The right wing's answer to those very appropriate questions?
(not my belief):
1) The unborn child is not responsible for the crimes of the father, and God is bringing joy out of that horrible circumstance.
2) It is not our place to decide whose life is worth living and who should be put to death for their abnormalities.
3) Really don't know about this one--there is NO logic involved in this. I would have thought a right winger would believe it is a "sin" to "play God" but apparently not.
4) Believe it or not, even to THIS, the extreme answer is "God gets to make the decision about which of the two lives will remain --and has the power to make miracles happen and heal the woman."

There IS not a logical way to approach this. The ONLY way to approach this is to remind people that a) we ALL want to prevent unwanted pregnancy, b) we are a country that allows other religious beliefs, and c) the decision about what to do with a pregnancy is between a woman and her OWN relationship with "God" and Jesus tells us not to be in the business of judging--but to let that wait for God himself to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/07/2008

If the American public wanted to do away with abortion it would already have been accomplished.Does anyone really think it's only Democrats getting abortions?There are plenty of neocons tied to religious icons for political purposes that push this view even though they're not religious or care one bit about abortion.In one sense men and women that believe in choice are lucky the Republicans turned out to be corrupt and criminal and will be unable to fulfill the religious rights yearning for a totally neocon SCOTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/07/2008
- Sparty1 I'm a Fan of Sparty1 19 fans permalink

This coming from the party that says that they want less government intrusion into people's lives, but the government needs to step in and tell you what to do with your body. I mean seriously no one is for abortion, but one can be for a woman's right to choose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Dana Bash on CNN today -- "...don't hold your breath" for Sarah Palin interviews. She has to be "tutored" in Foreign Policy.

Is this the STANDARD for one heartbeat from the Presidency of a 72 year old, four time Cancer survivor, America?

That MSM discusses this as if it is acceptable is amazing. Contrast that disinterest about someone we don't know -- 58 days out of electing the President and VP -- w/what Barack Obama went through these last 18 mos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

No, but according to the republicans, ANYBODY CAN BE A PRESIDENT just as long as they have men behind the scenes telling them what to do and how to act and when to push that button! They are conditioning us (brainwashing) into believing that is the case so we will accept anything as long as we know "all is well" behind the scenes. Wake up America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 09/07/2008
- Sparty1 I'm a Fan of Sparty1 19 fans permalink

Anybody can be POTUS, if they're Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 09/07/2008
- poster1122 I'm a Fan of poster1122 29 fans permalink

It's standard for governors, whom the Constitution doesn't confer any responsibilities regarding foreign policy. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, et al had to be tutored.

That's not my objection. My objection is that we're 2 months from the election and 4 from the swearing in ceremony. Getting tutored 6 months to a year out is one thing, but two months? That's disconcerting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/07/2008
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I don't know that they view it as acceptable. More like they view it as unchangeable and all they can really do at this point is wait it out and then have their turn at her. They can't exactly go grab her kicking and screaming from her study hall and waterboard her till she speaks. And for them to continue harping on the issue just gives Republicans more fodder for their spin cannons.

We'll hear from her soon enough. Though I'd rather it would be sooner. Lets just hope America's first chance to hear her ad-hoc comments isn't at the debates (where I suspect she'll be trying to sneak in an earplug ala GW). Are we taking over/unders yet on what her big blunder could be there? I'm guessing something geographical like Japan being the capital of China. Don't laugh, my elementary education major roommate in college thought Delaware was the capital of Maryland - nah go ahead and laugh (just make sure you cry after because that was 1989 which means her students are now voters too).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 09/07/2008

Good point renatam: Biden (bad cop) should be OUTRAGED and VOICE the OUTRAGE that this woman was trotted out with a speech written for her and they now have her in hiding. It's an OUTRAGE! The Republicans would be OUTRAGED and quite VERBAL about it. I can't sit through another election where the Dems think elegance and classy behavior will win them the white house. In the heartland, many people decide by choosing whom they perceive to be winning. It's a psych game. Please Obama and Biden, we know it's not your natural grain but please start barking loudly when the Republicans pull stunts like this. We are furious out here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/07/2008

The most frustrating thing for me this whole election cycle is watching Obama's campaign's failure to respond to certain questions in a commanding way. In regards to Obama I admire his intelligence and recognition that too many of the issues we face today are far too complicated to be addressed in a short Q&A session. However, he needs to stop over-intellectualizing his responses - it sometimes seems as if he is about to engage in a socratic dialogue. The reality is no one can ever give an answer that appeals to all. He needs to stand firm and direct the dialogue. Most importantly he needs to recognize that the best way to make use of these interviews is to deliver succint and meaningful responses that support why he is right and McCain is indisputably wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 09/07/2008

One comment made last week was that Obama is too intellectual and uses big words. That really says something about the state of the education system in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Since 1980 and the ascendancy of Ronald Reagan, that has been part of the Republican policies. Boomers remember when even our very poor were LITERATE. That was a given until the military industrial complex and simultaneous tax cuts degraded our education system.

Republican doublespeak. For education while reducing it in every way, economically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 09/07/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 61 fans permalink

What big words? "Change" and "hope" are big words?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2008
- ckfan I'm a Fan of ckfan 89 fans permalink
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It's sad, but true. Most Americans are not informed and they don't want to be informed. They want to be entertained. Obama has to "dumb down" his message. But, I believe that's why he selected Biden, because Biden is really great at talking to everyday people in their language. I hope he tears Bullwinkle with lipstick or bullfrog with lipstick or whatever she calls herself - to shreds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/07/2008
- marlainWA I'm a Fan of marlainWA 8 fans permalink

i was upset about this yesterday and my daughter 29 said to me mom there is nothing you can do about the stupid people...and it was just frustrating to realize almost 1/2 of our population isn't informed nor wants to be about important issues that will affect them whether they pay attention or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 09/07/2008
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 255 fans permalink
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Exactly. The incredible dumbing down of the American people is the root in our national politics. The American people are idiots. And there is no other way to explain it. Let Obama keep using big words. I love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/07/2008

I think you missed my point. We take for granted that we are intellectually curious and we might spend time researching information and participating in these blogs. Sometimes we expect the general public to do the same. My complaint is not that he has deep answers to complicated questions but that he does not refine these answers appropriately for such short interviews. This is how debates are won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

The one thing we must ALL REMEMBER is our innermost feelings towards the candidates. When do we feel they are telling the truth or just saying anything to win our votes. When we can't tell the difference is when we are not listening to ourselves and relying on what others say.

We know what's right and what's wrong from inside. Don't let anyone tell you different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 09/07/2008

I agree; we love ya Obama, but please set aside your belief that what is "right" will "win out" and that smart people will see reality through the bs; we saw with Kerry that people DON'T see through the hype. Please pick up the aggressive banter and respond quickly and firmly to outrageous claims. Nice job with "they must think you're stupid," we are so so hungry for it. People want to vote for a winner and, sadly, the person who appears aggressive and voices outrage is of late seen as the winner to vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/07/2008
- Moka11 I'm a Fan of Moka11 14 fans permalink

After watching the "go along" interview/chat of McCain by Schieffer on Face the Nation and then the contentious, interruptive, "talking point" filled interrogation of Obama by George Stephanopoulis I can't make up my mind who gets treated with more respect and admiration.
While McCain tries convince the country that he's a "change" candidate maybe Obama can equally morph into a fictional ex- POW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 09/07/2008
- lifesucks I'm a Fan of lifesucks 5 fans permalink

The point is as is the way of politics is that the politicans go on these shows and express their views subject themselves to questioning and say what they have to say - good, bad, or indifferent; apparently the good 'ol boys of the GOP don't believe that Palin - a govenor - can handle herself. That's the problem - they keep her on a short leash to use as eye candy next to John McCain and to hurl out insults with no direct consequences. This is not feminism - Palin is being used as a token woman so that McCain can have his very own celebrity. So if hockey moms across America can relate to Palin then good for you - but I say let her stand on her two feet and stop hiding behind McCain. It's her judgement that I want to hear about. It's bad judgement that got us into Iraq which has subsequently trickeled down to reak havoc with the economy. I want to know what role Sarah Palin will play in the white house if elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 09/07/2008
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