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First Posted: 09- 7-08 08:55 AM   |   Updated: 10- 8-08 05:12 AM

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Good morning and welcome to the most beautiful Sunday of the calendar year. No: not the first post-convention welcome to the campaign Sunday. And, no: not the everyone on the ticket is on the air Sunday (one person I'm told is somewhat consequential is sitting this Sunday out, I'm told (though she'll probably tell everyone she participated, because that's what she does, apparently)). No, today is the first Sunday of the National Football League! I'm not even going to pretend that many of you won't try to lose your cares and concerns in the fall pastime. Please, do. I back the Washington Redskins myself, so I enjoy this Sunday morning political horrorshow because compared to my home team simply because it's not as big a trainwreck.

Speaking of, here comes...

FOX NEWS SUNDAY

We begin Sunday with dueling consultants, starting with David Axelrod. How will Obama counter Sarah Palin? Axelrod says, "Uhm...we'll actually go ahead and counter John McCain." And then on comes the elevator speech about how awful the economy is. But does Obama REALLY BELIEVE he has precious executive experience. Axelrod is all, "Nobody knows about the enduring mystery that is Sarah Palin! Who knows what experience she has?" Okay. Interesting tack. Why can't the answer simply be, "Yes. Obama has more leadership experience." That's Axelrod's second answer. I don't get the game. They ask you if you have enough experience, the answer is yes.

But isn't John McCain the real agent of change, because he was tortured?

WOO! Obama worked on putting caps on Katrina rebuilding! Hooray?

Wallace basically says, "Yes. But there are other issues that Obama didn't fight his party on!" What's the point of even answering these questions?

Axelrod points out that McCain's campaign is being run by lobbyists, like Rick Davis. And Axelrod gets deep, stupidly deep in the weeds on the "Surge." Along with Obama. As has been documented, the decrease in sectarian violence is attributable to the sectarian cleansing that went on contemporaneously. Axelrod is right that there's a "much larger discussion," but he needs to have it in a more simple way. I'd focus on the the fact that the "surge" has led to higher casualities in Afghanistan, it's led to al Qaeda's resurgence, it hasn't impacted Iran's increasing role in Iraq, and Iraq is clamoring for Obama's withdrawal plan anyway.

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Axelrod, not good today. Got to reinvent some of these old sales pitches. "More of the same" is already feeling hoary. His counterparts on the right respond and react to everything, even the stupid things - even stupidly! But at the end of the week they've got a sense of what works and what doesn't, and filter new rhetoric through old message.

Anyway, here's Rick Davis. What about all the lobbyists that make up the campaign? David says it's hilarious. Hilarious enough to not answer the question.

Anyway, Palin reinforces the maverick brand somehow, even though she's a devourer of government pork and a supporter of bridges to nowhere and Ted Stevens. Davis says that the pork was in place before she became mayor. That's actually a big fat lie! Public records show that Palin INTRODUCED earmarks to Wasilla.

When will Palin agree to an interview? Rick Davis says, not yet! But in the meantime, watch Fox News glowing hagiography. Then he says that this past week wasn't a good week for the news media. Really? What did the media do? Besides uncritically report on the RNC? Wallace is all, "You're right, we were awful!" He says that what the media has said about Palin is not "objective journalism" because it doesn't fulfill the "objective" of getting McCain elected.

So, Wallace asks about the whole statement that Davis made about how this election is not about issues, but about a "composite view" of the candidates. I guess that's scandalous, somehow. But it's also correct! The election will be won by who presents the clearest composite view and whichever composite view reflects people's values the strongest will win the election. I mean, issues are great, but I can easily see us getting to 2012, and the Democrats just updating their "For eight years things have sucked!" message as "For twelve years things have sucked!" And they'd probably be well served to plan the "For sixteen years things have sucked!" message in advance.

Boy, Davis pretty much worked over Axelrod this morning. As fatuous as "Country first" versus "Me First" is, you can actually say it in one breath. That's the difference! Composite view.

Anyway, panel time with Hume, Liasson, Kristol, and Williams. These four...it's just so hard to spend Sunday morning with these four. They are just like cancer of the eye.

We take time out to give Kristol props for correctly picking Palin. It's the first thing he's been right about in maybe 47 years, so, stand and give some clapter. He'll return to producing mistake-ridden columns and backing policies that will get you and me killed later this afternoon.

Liasson says that Palin's not going to fade, even if she's not ready to be Veep. She'll either implode or explode. I more or less agree. On Jezebel this week, I summed up Palin as someone who'd lack of accomplishment is more than offset by a clear abundance of talent. The GOP has anointed a national figure, and incited a cult/celebrity phenomenon of their own. I have to imagine that gets the party, finally, invested in McCain, because even if McCain loses this particular battle, he's positioned the party for the future. And, strangely enough, going into the convention, I don't think the GOP was well-positioned for the future.

Of course, that future holds some of the shallowest identity politics you can imagine.

Anyway, I agree with Brit Hume that there's just no reason for the Democrats to even talk about Sarah Palin. He's right. She's the vice-presidential candidate, for crying out loud. And not a Veep in the Cheney mold. And she'll be outranked in a McCain White House by Lindsay Graham, Joe Lieberman, Mark Salter and that crew, and a host of party operatives. Unless the Obama camp gets proof that Palin's going to screw up the country at one of the many ribbon-cutting ceremonies she'll be attending, it's best to concentrate on the distinctions that can be made of the two candidates values and style of governance.

So, what to expect in the last fifty eight days? Williams says it's going to be THIRD BUSH TERM vs. MAVERICK. Hume says that it's close, Obama's the favorite, and the McCain campaign needs to get serious on the economy. I'm not sure he's right that the Democrats are poorly positioned on energy, because that Pelosi energy plan really pins McCain in. Liasson thinks that its amazing that McCain's made it this far without a clear economic message and that the Obama ground game is better.

OH, BRIT HUME. He thinks that there's been great job growth. A "huge number." Uhm...no.

Anyway, Brit Hume thinks the public doesn't "give a fig" abotu Sarah Palin answering questions. It's sad if he's right!

THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS

Where is Obama doing this interview from? A farm?

He thinks the new Republican team came roaring out of Saint Paul? So did the rest of everyone! My twitter is filled with people relieved to be done with the tear gas capital of the North.

Anyway, Obama on his taxcutting farm. Ol' McCain done been spinnin' yarns about taxocratz like Obama, but he says that he's cutting taxes for some 80% of the country. McCain's wars will blow a hole through the budget, Obama says. GS says: "So, even if we're in a recession, you are going to do your tax increases." Obama says, uhm...I said tax cuts!

Obama isn't keen on answering questions about Palin, other than she's a skilled performer, with the best two drink minimum shows since the Yiddish policeman's union came to Sitka. But what about issues, and stuff? GS, is all: Sarah Palin bravely commands the Alaskan National Guard, to bravely defeat caribou. She's definitely fought the caribou to a draw in Alaska. "This whole resume contest...is not what the American people are looking for."

GS asks what Obama thought of the "boos and laughter." I'm glad that Obama does not answer such a touch-and-feel fest. Anyway, Obama was a community organizer, but made the mistake of organizing black people, instead of caribou, and earmarks.

Obama is asked about whether he ever considered to join the military. He signed up with Selective Service, and thinks the military was great, and he'll take care of the troops.

Three changes that would be unpopular with the Democrats? He'd promote accountability in education and pay for performance. He'd increase the size of the military. He'd reduce litigation costs in health care. Plus, he'll to an audit on government spending - he cites Medicare funding as something that needs to be reviewed. Yeah. A lot of that stuff won't be popular with the Democrats. I'd love to hear that question put to McCain, though? He'd probably answer it: "I lived in a box and was tortured and stuff."

Surge much? Our troops have reduced violence, Obama says! But why does McCain "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" by not supporting the timetable for withdrawal. "It's amazing to me that people are so focused on the right year and a half and not the previous five." That's a good answer. A better answer would be some Attackermanese: "JOHN MCCAIN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THE SURGE ZEROED THE BALANCE IN IRAQ. IT DID NOT." But I'll say this: Obama's come closest to the argument formulation in my own mind today.

Was the "above my pay grade" answer too "flip?" Obama says "probably." How about definitely?

Why are there no animals on this farm? Has Sarah Palin aerially hunted them all and sold them on eBay?

Now, Obama's trying to answer about who said what about who's pregnant daughter and Muslim heritage. Why not simply say that the conservative blogosphere has been promoting these attacks, and that they are for all intents and purposes, part of the McCain campaign? The McCain campaign is essentially saying the same thing about the Bristol Palin stuff.

Finally, Obama will be willing to play Palin in basketball, so long as she doesn't bring her gun. No problem! I hear her guns are mostly pointed at Levi Johnston these days, anyway.

Man. It's so hard to find anything funny to say about this stuff after using all my best material on Twitter for the past two weeks. I actually cannot believe that anyone going to a political convention for the first time would take in the breadth of that experience and say, "Yes! I will do this again in four years!" What is it? Do people like the taste of mace or something? Going to utterly crappy parties with the same utterly crappy people in different cities?

It must be watching television in tents.

Anyway, they're talking about Sarah Palin. She's energized the party! I can't wait until she goes to conservative hotbed San Francisco for a fundraiser with noted po' folk Stacy and Tom Siebel! Mayhill Fowler will be there, taping Palin when she says that liberal women "cling to their uteruses and silly sense of autonomy."

The panel discussion is continuing on the show. I haven't been paying attention to a word of it? George Will just said something about "moxie." Palin has it. She has a old, carbonated beverage that tastes like malted transmission fluid.

GS says that Palin will inspire two different gut reactions: which I take to mean 1) explosive reverse peristalsis and 2) pancreatic ulcers.

Commenter aznurse asks: "Why do I feel like this whole election is some sort of science project??" Because those projects end up in science fairs, where adults wander around and hand out ribbons and pretend to be impressed, but in the end, you've just rewarded a bunch of children who really don't know what the frack they're talking about, only we're actually putting them in charge, which is why all of our domestic policy is about as serious as adding baking soda to vinegar. WOO VOLCANO! YAY PRETTY!

FACE THE NATION

After the nation got maced, the nation gets faced, unless of course, they want to aerially hunt McCain's Veep pick, in which case, they are on a bridge to nowhere, which she supported. My hope is that the first question they ask Palin is, "Are you planning on voting for Ted Stevens? Yes, or get the eff out of here?"

Anyway, here's loveable Bob Schieffer, coming to us live from a crypt in Colorado Springs. John McCain has been on the show a lot, because he's a member of the DC cocktail circuit clique who go on these shows rather than do things. McCain surpasses Viagra spokesman Bob Dole for number of appearances, McCain says it's an honor to follow in his footsteps, and I'd bet that many of you out there in commentland hope he keeps right on that path.

Anyway, McCain tells Sheef that he's close to death, too, so shut up.

BS thinks that McCain did an extraordinary thing standing up to his own party, and then something about goats. McCain says he's stood up to goats and has reached across the aisle to other goats, and supports a goat-like surge. McCain is eager to deflect attention onto his running mate. Of course, then he talks about running a "unity" government. "You have to." How will he do that with a running mate who's only made splashes by reinforcing the partisan division?

McCain says that he's going to have the smartest people in America in his cabinet. Shouldn't the smartest people in America be teaching America, with competitive wages?

So, Charles Krauthammer says that Palin is an empty vessel and not ready to be Veep, and McCain's riposte is that, "She's so popular!" So, celebrity is a good thing, now?

"She's not just exciting our base, she's excited all Americans." McCain's right. She's personally been responsible for a 10:1 donation ratio in Obama's favor over the last two days of the convention. Also, she was a point guard! She's ready to lead the box-and-one on day one! She'll have many double-doubles, and she'll defeat neighboring Russia in FIBA. She will field dress the New York Knickerbockers, and their elitism.

Okay. I love how McCain is complaining about lobbyists, cronies, "quasi-governmental organizations," and the fact that people at Freddie and Fannie made mad bank as CEOs. He's going to fight that? He's going to catapult into that culture and change it? NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. You know, Franklin Raines got drummed out of Fannie Mae amid just the sort of scandal that a guy like McCain, if he was a real reformer, would decry till he was blue in the face. Guys like Raines should be made to feel some real heat, some real shame. But it's never going to occur because ultimately, people like Raines will crony up with people from the McCain campaign, and everyone will get rich on their empty headed board of directors slots, and nothing will ever change because the first rule of business is PROTECT THE WEALTH OF THE WEALTHY.

Don't believe me? Well, where is Frankin Raines now? He's on the board of directors of Steve Case's Revolution Health. Would you like to know one of his colleagues at Revolution? I should EVER SO GLAD TO TELL YOU: Carly Effing Fiorina, folks! That's right. Now, if Fiorina and Raines can happily coexist on the board of Rev Health, how serious do take McCain when he says he's going to change this political culture?

If you answered, "I take it very seriously!" you may as well kick yourself in the fracking face right now, to get used to the disappointment. And people, Fiorina and Raines just sort of leap to mind. I'm guessing we could run a similar game with the Obama campaign, as well. And people think the candidates' pastors give us insight into their thinking! It's never about Jesus, people. It's about the moneylenders.

"When the housing market starts back up, the taxpayers are going to be reimbursed." GOOD GOD MAN! When the housing market starts back up there will be trillions of dollars of mortgages that will have reset! Even the people that don't get foreclosed on are going to have to scrape by and survive. There are many Americans who won't ever be moving from their homes! There are many Americans who won't be buying a new car, won't be taking a vacation, won't be buying the new HDTV, won't be buying that MacBook Air, won't be sending their kids to college. But yeah, when the housing market "starts back up again," Hanry Paulson says everything will be fine, and everyone will get a few hundred dollars back.

Sheef asks McCain about the whole community organizer slurs, with "important responsibilities." McCain says that he loves community organizers, especially when they are wealthy and do not have presidential aspirations. McCain's stance is that Obama "denigrated small town mayors" first. HE STARTED IT! He should have done those town halls with me! PLEASE GIVE ME ALL YOUR NUCLEAR FOOTBALLS.

McCain still will not acknowledge that going into Iraq, as opposed to avenging the deaths of our countrymen by fighting terrorists, was wrong.

"I'll have to convince [minorities] that I'll be the president of everybody." Good luck with Palin on your ticket, Mac.

How will you do that? He will say the word "education." He will say the word "economy."

Ezra Klein and Alex Pareene were getting at something here in their discussion on Daily Intelligencer:

A.P.: It just seemed odd last night to have Obama speaking on Iran and Pakistan and McCain basically doing the old John Edwards "I met a struggling family working 100 jobs" routine. When McCain does that routine, there's an odd break where you wait for him to explain what they wanted John McCain to do about it.

E.K.: Yeah, with him it's empathy for empathy's sake. "My friends, I too have known hardship..." It's interesting, the theory of why people vote on character issues is that we don't have time to get deeper and we use people's personality traits to assume their policies and agendas and priorities. But McCain has a tendency to not even try and signal that. He signals some empathy, but no interest in even gesturing toward his compassionate or attentive response. It's sort of rare for a politician.

That's the thing with McCain: he does talk a lot about people's hardship! I believe him, at least at some level, when he says he's saddened by it! But McCain basically believes the solution is: Send A Guy Who Was Tortured For Five Years and Now Owns Seven Homes. He believes the inspirational figure he might cut is sufficient. Basically, McCain promises America that he will draw a cross in the dirt for them, and after that, you're on your own. Meanwhile, yes: our enemies will continue to bask in their continued appeasement from America, but as soon as McCain joins bin Laden on some other metaphysical plane of existence, he will give him a stern talking to!

Anyway, my Face The Nation recording ends here, so, Meet The Press, I guess.

MEET THE PRESS, I GUESS

People are saying, by the way, that Robert Gibbs was better on teevee today than David Axelrod. Know why? Gibbs is better suited to presenting the "overall composite" of his candidate. Gibbs is a guy who's got values appeal. He's looser, less wonky and mopey, and exudes charm.

Anyway, Tom Brokaw, Joe Biden. In Delaware. Biden, dropping his foreign affairs cred in an offhanded way.

Biden calls Palin "smart, tough, formidable," which is all about playing the expectations game. Then Brokaw wants to know about the tick-tock: "Who'd you call after you saw Palin's amazing speechifying?" My proctologist, I guess? Anyway, Biden is used to debating "tough, smart women." But he doesn't know what her policies are, and assumes they are the same as John.

What about the fact that women seem to be flocking to Palin. Biden basically says:

What about Hillary? Is she going into the campaign? Biden says that she's "big player" and he hopes that he can go with. I think it's probably pretty smart to not send Clinton specifically as a "Palin-buster."

Lots of people tuned in to the convention! But how many will watch Lou Dobbs "independent convention" next week, for zenophobes with gigantic estates that can be seen from space? That's the real question.

Biden explains why no joint town halls: it significantly constrains your ability to campaign where you want.

So, what about the Surge? Biden says, look, the Surge wasn't half as effective as the Anbar Awakening, and anyway, it's all irrelevant, because TIMETABLZ 4 WITHDRAWALZ: YOU CAN HAZ THEM. And only John McCain is saying: "DO NOT WANT."

Biden is actually smart to future-focus this issue. Instead of this wack-ass chase for credit, who's going to set up the next stage.

OH NOES! Joe Biden just mistook Shia for Sunnis! And Tom Brokaw called them, "Sheee-eyes." These foreign people confuse us, with their funny hats.

Biden is killing it, actually. Speaking plain truth about the fact that the Iraq we've built is crazy in love with Iran and Ahmadinejad. Look, it should be said: the Biden experience is every bit, every inch of the complement that Obama needs. He's got a breadth of knowledge and an encyclopaedic command. And when Biden's talking policy - especially foreign policy - he's NOT saying crazy things about how Delaware would have been a slave state.

I wish that Obama and Biden would make fun of McCain for saying that there would be a "lifetime ban" on members of his staff from lobbying. Because that was the McCain stance on lobbying that made me just laugh, and later cry, and then turn to drink, and by drink I mean Clorox, because BISH PLS! No one, no way, no how is some sort of "lifetime ban" on lobbying going to be enforces on anyone! Damn, son! When John McCain is pushing up the daisies, how the eff do you presume Rick Davis is gonna get PAID? You think he's gonna open a chicken shack or something? Hell, no! The man is gonna lobby, crony, itching-palmy his ass off! That's what you do when campaigns end and candidacies fade and your bood leaves office.

Anyway, Biden is neck deep in lobbydom himself, and his son is too. So: PLEASE TO EXPLAIN? Actually, let's give Brokaw twenty minutes to get through his question. Anyway, Biden says that his son could have had a better job, which doesn't seem relevant, and that his son's bank's total contributions are 2% (which only makes me wonder who's contributed the other 98%), and that he blocked the bank's bill three times prior. Yeah. Well, in the end, that was a pretty bad bankruptcy bill, and if it's totally going to work once we have national health care, let's have the health care first.

Biden says that lobbyists would continue to "have a voice" but would no longer be allowed to write legislation. The bad news is: that means all the idiots in Congress are going to have to START writing it, and I don't think most of the people America elects can even READ.

Well, okay. Biden can obviously read, since he's dropping the Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas as a part of his abortion rights answer.

Should Lieberman be welcomed back in the caucus? Biden says that Catholics believe in redemption. That may be true, but the church doesn't sell indulgences anymore, either.

Then, a half-hour of Thomas Friedman follows, which I believe is a milli-Friedman unit. Anyway, he has a book and a mustache.

So, four shows, three candidates, and a noteworthy absence. That's Sunday. Conventions are over. I'm burnt but recharging. Time for a break. Watch some football today, people! Be glad the Redskins aren't on today! We'll see you next week!


Good morning and welcome to the most beautiful Sunday of the calendar year. No: not the first post-convention welcome to the campaign Sunday. And, no: not the everyone on the ticket is on the air Su...
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Here's the "liberal" media's take on Joe Bidens interview on Meet The Press on the MSNBC website.

Biden: "Palin a smart, tough, politician". He also said "She supports the same policies as Bush. How come that wasn't the headline? The nicest quote about Palin makes the headline on the website.

They continue to emphasize how nice she looks, what a great speech she gave, how she rallies the right wing base. etc...

No mention of any of the right wing extremist viewpoints she has. They have been listed many many times on this forum. No mention of the scandals: Troopergate, Banning books, lobbying for earmarks, etc.

So Obama is not only running against the GOP, he's running against the media. But he's a very very tough politician and doesn't shy away from hitting back hard. And this will be the key in winning in the fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/07/2008

The Obama Camp is on Fire Today.

So Far Obama took down this Week with GS
So Far Biden took down Meet the Press
So Far Rober Gibbs just took down McCain Spoke Person on Late Edtion
Tim Kaine also did a take down! Carville was right behind and Senator Boxer is about to give it the final knoxk out

I am loving it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 09/07/2008

Dude, love all your enthusiasm, but not all the repitition...abandon the ole cut-and-paste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 09/07/2008

I agree with you that "hitting back hard" is the key factor: Obama in particular is showing a great deal of energy in countering the claims made during the Republican convention. I'm reminded of Bill Clinton in 1992, when he ran circles around Bush 41 and managed to win an election that probably should have been winnable for the Republicans. But Clinton galvanized people around the country's economic troubles. The economy in 2008 looks ominous, and the idea that McCain is hip on the economy and "all about change" seems ridiculous. He's a good man with a compelling story, but he's also an old-guard candidate who has embraced the extreme right of his party by choosing Sarah Palin.

As for Palin, I would suggest to Jason Linkins that the "nice" comments about her are a setup. Democrats should not simply ignore her, thereby leaving the field of definition to the right-wingers. She is a polarizing candidate who shreds McCain's claims to sincerity about "bipartisanship." Demos just need to lay off the personal stuff, or anything sexist--you don't have to savage a person's character to show that her views are outside the mainstream on issues that matter to moderate voters. But I would agree that the emphasis should be on McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 09/07/2008
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You are right. He's been running against the media since May. The debates will sway fair minded voters. I'm starting to lose hope in my fellow Americans that are buying this "amnesia" campaign. I'm going to start registering voters tomorrow through October 1.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 09/07/2008
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When the candidate and party do not vet their VP candidate, it is left to the media and the opposing party to do so. The republicans have left it to the media and the opposing party in a very smart strategic move because the Dems and the media will do what common sense demands and investigate this "johnny come lately" but in doing so it re-ignites the GOPs old "leftist media" argument. It was a smart move, but will it work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/07/2008

Barbara Boxer is wonderful on Late Edition right now. Obama needs her out there as frequently as he can get her out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/07/2008
- NewsCorpse I'm a Fan of NewsCorpse 19 fans permalink
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John McCain.....FREE SARAH PALIN!

The most striking thing about this roundup of the Sunday talkfests is that Sarah Palin was not on any of them. She must not be allowed to continue to stonewall the press. It's been nine days since McCain selected her as his running mate and she has not had a single press press conference. What is trying to hide? And why aren't more people mad?

Chris Wallace had his Obama Watch to mark the time until Obama appeared on his show. Now there is - The Palin Watch - to mark the time until she answers questions from the press:
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?page_id=1046

It's time to come out from hiding, Sarah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Why does the "pit bull" "w/lipstick" need anyone to free her? Like all bullies, Sarah Palin talks tough, throws rocks -- and then squirrels away to HIDE behind someone (in her case, her kids).

Women...and mothers...should be repulsed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/07/2008
- 4real I'm a Fan of 4real 30 fans permalink
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More like a puppy with lipstick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 09/07/2008

The fact that she was MIA should be THE big story of the week. The press is soooo in the bag for the GOP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 09/07/2008
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She didn't need to show up... she had people like Tom Brokaw and Dana Bash cheerleading and stumping for her!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/07/2008
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To her credit, Dana did sound a little worried about why SP needed to be kept away and "in training". (Gee, Dana, what's wrong.... don't we want someone as second in command who's just had a crash course in Gov't at the feet of Joe L. and John McSame??????)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

I would like to know WHEN MSM will go through Sarah Palin's record of executive experience -

* Left her town in $22 million in debt
* Ran for Governor re the Bridge to Nowhere earmarks, kept the money to repatriate it as direct payments (for votes) -- of OUR FEDERAL DOLLARS, in the lower 48!


When will they ask about her far right winged views, including book banning in Libraries --

* Doesn't believe in birth control
Doesn't believe in global warming
Doesn't belive in stem cell research
Doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose -- and, even in the case of incest/rape

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/07/2008
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"They must think you're stupid" Ok, two days ago, I said I thought it would work, and now that I heard Sen. O use it in public, I'm clear it works.... it's a great phrase that resonates. Just enough humor behind it.

Go Team!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 09/07/2008

I watched a par for the course, very lame performance by Joan Walsh and her Repub.. opponent (can't recall name, but she's good!!) debate on Howie Kurtz's always biased towards the Republicans, Reliable Sources this a.m. and as always, Joan Walsh got streamrolled over, this time by her assertive, always butting-in and talking over her, Rep. opponent. The Republican looked well-groomed and attractive, Walsh looked tired and like she just fell out of bed.
Walsh just sets there with her hapless smile and says "thanks Howie" or, "Chris" repeatedly.

The networks have conspired to have only the weakest, lamest, anemic Dem. surrogates on their shows and they have these same losers on over and over again, while at the same time they have smart and LASER- SHARP, bare-fanged bullies on the Republican side. A Repub. cuts in and the lame Dem backs down instantly, no follow-up, no frustration at being interrupted -- pathetic.

To prove how biased the media is towards Republicans just watch when Katrina VandenHeuvel is on a talk show, she is always sharp, precise, to the point, clearly assertive and ALWAYS, ALWAYS gets cut off in mid-sentence by Larry or whomever while Republicans get to rant on.

Why do the Dems ALWAYS cave in without a scintilla of frustration or push back.
The Republicans are always assertive, on point, cramming blather into every second, they get mad, they constantly interrupt other speakers (and get away with it) ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

Joan Walsh of www.salon.com is conflicted (feminist for Hillary Clinton, Hillary for VP -- and now Sarah Palin) and the Obama Campaign should immediately ask MSM to choose someone else. She is NOT an Obama/Biden supporter no matter what she lamely says/writes, passive-aggressively.

Clinton Inc. triangulation w/Repubs continues. Watch for it. Ditto, Carville, Begala, Stephanopolous, etc.

Carville (and his wife, Matalin) did the right thing moving back down South -- from DC. Their era, and the aforementioned and all MSM pundits for Clinton/Bush Inc. are dated and conflicted parts of our current problems in America. They know it. Americans should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

Go figure! If they let me on one of those shows, they would have to cut the tape to get me to shut up :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/07/2008
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Jason...I'm so glad you do this so I don't have to. One thing I did watch was Biden on MTP. Still amazes me how utterly AWFUL Tom Brokaw is on that show...but Biden pretty much wiped the floor with him. Brokaw thinks he is a lot more informed than he really is...Biden let him know! It was great!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/07/2008

Proud of Joe today but missed Barack... anyone who can just tell me quickly how did he do ??????? I love Jason but I have to watch it and get the comments. Sounds like Axelrod did not do well at all so I really want to know how Barack did. Meanwhile Obama spokesman on Cnn Late did the best job I have seen him do so far. Poor Tom Brokaw... I liked him until this gig on MTP showed who he really is. The RW biased media

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/07/2008
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Agree on Joe and Tom, both. And, I have the same question. Someone recap how Sen O did w/ GS? I missed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 09/07/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

Intelelligence over incompetence every time.
BO/JB-08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/07/2008
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There was one faux pas. GS asked O to comment about the way McCain handled the "muslim" rumors. O said something like "questioning my muslim faith". GS tried to correct Obama and said "you mean your Christian faith". O re-corrected GS, and said that he was addressing the issue of them accusing him of having muslim faith, which was untrue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/07/2008
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Sen O was excellent on policy points today and answered GS with tons of substance.
As David Brooks said afterward, BO "owns" policy.

Here's my concern: you can see his IQ is through the roof and that he can counter an argument fantastically. But he doesn't have that "smackdown" quality to him. He's thoughtful and substantive, and God knows we need that in our leaders. But Americans are used to seeing lots of action from television--fighting, arguing, lambasting. It gets us anxious and excited at the same time; it brings out our basest emotions. We've come to expect that kind of doping out of the little picture box in our living room. BO has major gravitas but his thoughtfulness and grace is opposite of the TV drama we've come to expect and thus, in this sense, he disappoints. Not his fault. Mine. Ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 09/07/2008

Joe took him a part
Barack was excellent
and Robert mygod, I was so proud. I think they thought Robert was too nice. Now I am waiting on Senator Boxer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 09/07/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

She is giving Kay the major smackdown too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/07/2008
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Looks like Barbara is taking down Kay!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/07/2008
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The Dems on air this morning are seriously armed with the facts and are showing some incredible strength. I love it! And, the Repubs sound rather hollow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 09/07/2008
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Obama did okay.

He's very bright, and thinks about his answers.

But stupid people want to hear smartass rush limbaugh replies at deathstar speed.

GS kept him on the defensive. But his answers were smart and full.

Not that that will mean anything in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/07/2008

The Obama Camp is on Fire Today.

So Far Obama took down this Week with GS
So Far Biden took down Meet the Press
So Far Rober Gibbs such took down McCain Spoke Person ..... I am loving it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 09/07/2008
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Tim Kaine also did a take down! Carville was right behind. (I think Wolf was enjoying it, just a litle)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/07/2008

Dame I miss that, too much tv and not enough DVR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 09/07/2008
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Wow. What a McCain airhead (economic adviser) on Wolf Blitzen right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 09/07/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

Gibbs just gave her the ol' one two!
TKO for repugs on that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

You gotta give it to Nancy Pfotenauer (sp?). She runs the clock w/spin and lies -- then, constantly interrupts and/or tries to DISTRACT from focus on the counterpoint. CNN (excepting Campbell Brown) allows the interruptions and/or doesn't slap these Repub spinners down.

Nancy is as smarmy as they come. She is VERY good and puts a smiley face on the most far right positions. Remember "Compassionate Conservative." Her job is to CONFUSE, not clarify.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 09/07/2008
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Is she that snarky blonde who just talks fast and loud so no one can get in a word edgewise?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 09/07/2008
- neo1 I'm a Fan of neo1 3 fans permalink

Her job is to make you hate republicans even more than you do. And she does it well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 09/07/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

O advisor Gibbs is giving it to them on W olf late edition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 09/07/2008

I am not sure we want SP talking to the press. I think it is better she doesn't. It allows people to question her resolve more. You know the first time she talks to the press, the questions will be scripted towards what she has learned from her "Cliff's Notes", thus to the average person she may sound intelligent. The only way she will be allowed to talk to the press is if they know the questions ahead of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/07/2008
- marcelisa I'm a Fan of marcelisa 3 fans permalink

Absolutely! It will be up to the press to really dig out her thoughts on the most pressing issues of the day. They key will be to follow-up on the surface-y answer she will give and to not let her off easy. She needs to know policy and government systems: how will they change Washington systematically given they have been running it for 8 years? They created the disastrous economy we're in from out of this system.

Given that the electoral map is starting to look familiar (a la 2004), we really need a surge in our ground game, Dems. If you haven't done so already, contact your local BO field office and register disenfranchised Democrats as well as college students to VOTE! We will win this battle if we give it everything we've got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 09/07/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

The Dems don't need to do a thing about SP. The press and her former methods will do it all. She has, apparently, made a whole lot of enemies in Alaska in her climb to the governor's chair.
I expect that we haven't heard about the last body buried yet.

This was a decision made in a split second. Don't know how many of you have lived to regret that kind, but I'd bet we all have a few. I'm thinking this is going to drip, drip, drip. And as McCain looks older and more befuddled each day, it's going to wake a lot of middle Americans up. And they can't hide her lack of basic knowledge on most subjects forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/07/2008

Rick Warren is a drunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 09/07/2008

So is W.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 09/07/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 89 fans permalink

"This Election is NOT about issues...." Rick Davis (and Karl Rove)

Friday -- Unemployment nos. increase.
Sunday -- Bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac adding $5trillion to our existing $7trillion deficit


I wouldn't want to talk about ISSUES if I had the Republican record either. It is the job of every American to FORCE this Campaign to be ABOUT ISSUES...and hold the Republican Party and John McCain who was not a force for change or populism -- but voted 90% with Bush/Cheney, who Karl Rove (and Rick Davis, Karen Hughes now w/Mark Penn) validated and promoted.

ACCOUNTABILITY and no distortions from Republicans, America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/07/2008
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